Twinblades713 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I invented Twin Counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Do you guys know what you are talking about? You have a chance to counter anything that is counterable, blind or not. If you have a form of blind fighting then this will improve said chances. I invented Blademasters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 as a paladin I would flamestrike countering classes til blind, then charge them stupid. I never got countered while they where blind. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 as a paladin I would flamestrike countering classes til blind' date=' then charge them stupid. I never got countered while they where blind. Ever.[/quote'] Ditto. I've never seen the counter skill work through blindness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Do you guys know what you are talking about? You have a chance to counter anything that is counterable, blind or not. If you have a form of blind fighting then this will improve said chances. I invented Blademasters! You can't counter a charge while blinded. Btw I invented charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali_gmud Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 You didn't invent it, you just abused it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Just because Thomas Edison abused the lightbulb doesn't mean he didn't invent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I've countered charges blinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 COUGH*log*COUGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 COUGH*log*COUGH Yeah, I will believe it only when I see it. PS. We are talking about countering it without predicting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Also about zerks. How many stipulations can you guys add on it? By your alls logic all zerks suck, unless played by a good person in a cabal, then they rip the pbase apart. But if they die, you are right, if they do good, it is just their combo. Ogre Fury is hardly a power combo, and didn't mudder start the zerks suck after HIS watcher zerk flopped? My zerk was a dwarf. Hardly a race that is highly considered the best melee race period, with hard coded benefits more than most any others. And I claimed Zerks suck AFTER, my second Zerk. First was a Stone Zerk. I was getting destroyed by lesser skilled warriors and rangers. It should be an uphill battle vs a warrior, fine. But it shouldn't be as hard as it is. Vs rangers? It is way too easy for a ranger vs a zerk. What Zerk is wrecking the pbase? I am not currently active but I highly, HIGHLY, doubt that is the case. The Zerk I think you are referring to is also pretty decked(before I left) but I bet if I brought back Kongol it'd be over. (But I won't because it'd be obviously an OOC sort of situation.) I never said a Zerk COULDN'T be good. I just said you HAD to be decked to compete with many many classes and even then, your powerspike is MUCH less than any other class that gets decked. They're not impossible, they just suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 wtf. How do you think he got decked? It is not like adeptus, order, etc etc alway have their gear. He had to kill people to get it, and kill people to keep it. ALSO. As for the Dwarf comment. Fizen. Ow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I have to agree with Mudder with the whole Zerks VS Warriors thing. I've played 3 pinned zerks (excluding Samaet) and 1 to condeath, and it is an extremely uphill battle to say that zerks are all about aggression/offense - decked warriors are disgusting to fight. NOTE: I am not saying Zerks are underpowered as such. Just that they have a hard time, harder than most, against decked warriors. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Well Isee warriors as masters of armed combat. A trained, well armed warrior SHOULD be a hard fight for a berserker. You have less defense, all the same weapons, and usually a vuln that can be exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 How can you say berserkers suck? Its really hard for you to defend the point that because you, as a player, suck with them, means everyone sucks with them. Mindflayer has played a few berserkers that were really strong. I believe he was the Troll. As well as the dwarf zerk WM, Bazin. But, you will reply with he is a veteran player who is very skilled and so on and so forth. As far as the Kongol statement goes, I find it comical at best that you honestly think that was a needed point. It doesn't prove your point, assist your point, or benefit your reputation.(Which I believe was your goal.) A zerk will have, maybe, a difficult time against a warrior, but I have personally played a zerk that killed some skilled warriors. If they are masters of armed combat, make them unarmed. Take away their offense. I don't see how a warrior could out attrition a berserker. -Trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Weapon Cleave can be completely negated by a player in a privelaged positon (which is pretty much the vast majority of the 'top' players). I am not a fan of this. Nobody is saying Zerks cannot kill Warriors - it's just an uphill battle that is larger than what most classes have to face against their 'banes'. Like I said previously, I am not saying berserkers are underpowered. I am just saying they struggle a lot against warriors (however notice how I'm not saying that is necessarily a good or bad thing for the class, it's just... very off-putting for me). Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Tien, grunge, thorghull, fistalantus, lmathr, gorbak, statham, Bizen All zerks that spring to mind that have done well. Granted lmathr was not insane, I believe I was at least above average, considering it was my first barb, and my first FG zerk. I challenge someone to name the same amount of characters for any class that did at least better than average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Like I said previously' date=' I am not saying berserkers are underpowered.[/b'] I am just saying they struggle a lot against warriors (however notice how I'm not saying that is necessarily a good or bad thing for the class, it's just... very off-putting for me). I'm not saying Zerks suck. I am saying Zerks suck against warriors. Just like how people say thieves suck against vampires, they are not saying the class sucks. Thieves can still kill vampires. Zerks can still kill warriors. That doesn't change the fact it's extremely difficult. The only difference is warriors are more common than vampires. I am not saying the fact that zerks suck against warriors warrants a change - however I have never understood why caballed people can stop weapon-cleave/shield cleave. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Well I think maybe to balance it out, instead of being able to make an item permanently safe, maybe make it item-insurance:) like the item is protected for x hours. Determined by the level of the item times an appropriate amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Cabal'ed members get enough perks without LI. I think we need a poll on wether or not to get rid of it, cause I'm all for getting rid of it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Totenkopf- Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I'd love to see it ditched, why, because I don't use it and think its cheap as hell when people use it against I find it hard enough to kill people, if I do manage to get em, I want those shinies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 How can you say berserkers suck? Its really hard for you to defend the point that because you, as a player, suck with them, means everyone sucks with them. Mindflayer has played a few berserkers that were really strong. I believe he was the Troll. As well as the dwarf zerk WM, Bazin. But, you will reply with he is a veteran player who is very skilled and so on and so forth. As far as the Kongol statement goes, I find it comical at best that you honestly think that was a needed point. It doesn't prove your point, assist your point, or benefit your reputation.(Which I believe was your goal.) A zerk will have, maybe, a difficult time against a warrior, but I have personally played a zerk that killed some skilled warriors. If they are masters of armed combat, make them unarmed. Take away their offense. I don't see how a warrior could out attrition a berserker. -Trick You have got to be kidding me. Grow up. I am NOT the type of person that needs or wants to "boast" about my past chars. It was merely a statement to say that Warriors destroy them on accident. I'm not saying because I suck with them that they are a crap class. I am saying that they are a crap class period. Lol. They are outmatched in every way vs. SO many other classes. A decked zerk will be good. A decked warrior will be god. A decked Zerk will die to - Any warrior with half a brain. Any ranger with half a brain. Any Necromancer with half a brain... I could continue. Emp: You named characters that were average. Nothing special, nothing bad. I think that those characters would have been much stronger as another class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_Reefer Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Races and classes don't suck, people suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 You have got to be kidding me. Grow up. I am NOT the type of person that needs or wants to "boast" about my past chars. It was merely a statement to say that Warriors destroy them on accident. A decked zerk will be good. A decked warrior will be god. A decked Zerk will die to - Any warrior with half a brain. Any ranger with half a brain. Any Necromancer with half a brain... I could continue. Emp: You named characters that were average. Nothing special, nothing bad. I think that those characters would have been much stronger as another class. #1: The point of bring up your past chars to say they would beat a current char is a cock wave, deny it however you want, it is you saying "Well my char could have killed your char easily" #2: Fistilantus hurt like hell, Thorghull hurt like 2 hells, and Bazin hurt like 2 hells with aids. #3: A pally will die to a Zerk, ranger, warrior, necro who has "half a brain" Thats not saying anything. Any class can kill if the player has half a brain. Pking is not as clear cut as just your combo. FFS I killed a better armed ogre warrior with an elf warrior using a mundane weapon. Basically there are what, 3 people who think zerks need toning? Personally I am 100% fine with zerks. Every cabal has had a strong one in the past. To say that the chars I listed where average is laughable. You tell me Grunge, Thorghull, and Bizen where average? You are stuck in your own little world of denial. I have seen Gorbak fight Kurvikhel, I have seen him fight racial mastery DECKED blms. He got his l33t gear by pwning for it. If you think zerks are beaten easily by a warrior, then roll up a trib warrior and lets see it beast. As of right now I cannot see any real evidence in your posts of zerks sucking other than you listed 3 classes that can kill them. Guess what, Other classes have more than 3 that can beat them easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted May 20, 2009 Implementor Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Back to a more civil tone, everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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