mya Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Whith the new Justice system, and healers goodies in Justice this is a question that poops out in my head. If i get attacked by a Goodied Justice and i kill him i get outcasted... If i kill his good pet i get outcasted. If he kills my good pet i get outcasted. Is it cheating to have a week good pet and have it rescue you to prevent him attacking you by forcing him to kill your pet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 A: Its not Justice, that drives Marty up the wall. B: Not cheating...I wouldn't think...up to the Imms involved. If you got a pet for the sole reason of protection from Tribunal...then they might not appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goomf Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I'd do it. In fact, I'm gonna roll up an outlawed healer right now and do it. That would be just sooo awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I don't see why not? It's like Robin Hood recruiting a good merry man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greased Weasel Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I do admit that would be fudgin hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H&R Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 The blood guard is neutral. I think it's quite difficult to find a good aligned pet that gets killed quickly (slaves and the likes are neutral and evil, as far as I know anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Plus, it would throw the "use the mercy perk" argument back onto the good-aligned tribunal. If they don't like being damnated due to killing good pets, they should've selected the mercy perk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Stone golem is the same align as the person who summons it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Greased Weasel Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 At least back in the day, Viri made it so summoned charmies are the same alignment as the summoner, I dont know if this has been changed or not however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 You could just play a good ranger, all thier pets should be good I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 You recite the Word of Command. You create a stone golem! A stone golem now follows you. You can kill a stone golem naked and weaponless. A stone golem greets you warmly. A stone golem is about the same size as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 What, didn't believe me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 stone golems r tough. The rank 5 elven slave is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nympha Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Ok. So let me get this right. 1) Good tribunal is hunting you cause you are -wanted- and you kill them you get outcasted. 2) You kill their guard, Bloodguards are nuetral so no repercussion. (I think. I have killed bloodguard before and didnt get damned) So basically, you are purposely trying to find a way to 1) get the good tribunals damned or 2) outcasted. Because -YOU- made the choice to break the laws? How fair is that? As is, unless you commit certain crimes, most Justices I know wont execute you unless they have no choice in the matter, you are an outlaw, or you insult them up oneside down the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted March 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 A real good whould never cause the death of another good. How can a good take another to a execution knowing the he will die and just not care. That is being neutral to not care about what will happen to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 The end justifys the means. The preservation of law and order is more "good" in thier eyes than a man/woman who breaks the law and kills citiizens. Regardless of why that man/woman is killing the citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneak Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Ok. So basically, you are purposely trying to find a way to 1) get the good tribunals damned or 2) outcasted. Because -YOU- made the choice to break the laws? How fair is that? That argumentation is balls. "Because -YOU- made the choice to break the laws." Its just as much "Because -HE- made the choice to follow the laws." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nympha Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 It has been said time and time again. The Tribunals are not responsible for your death. It is the Judges and how the Tribunals work. In fact, goods who are Tribunals can go so far as to say, they are not causing your death, you are. You are the one who chose to break the law, not them. They are just following through seeing Justice. So in fact, it is not the goods who are causing your death, but yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneak Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 so if you push a guy out in front of a car youre not responsible for his death? the driver of the car is cause he killed him? or the guy you pushed is cause he was standing so close to the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In thier opinion yes. See this issue is why alot of people won't play goods, because the outlawed goods are kinda screwed. So your choice is play LG, or get outcasted. Who wan'ts to deal with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneak Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Imm havent been able to explain why lawful goods is ethos over align and neutral or chaotic good isnt. At least not satisfactory. Maybe the problem could get solved is tribunals had a choice not to execute people. Just a veeeery long jail penalty and maybe gear loss. That would actually solve it pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorCleric Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I've said it before, and I say it again, and it seems Nympha and I agree on the issue... I think there is an direction people ignore with this whole Good vs Good tribunal issue. You as a good are aware that goods exist in Tribunal. You as a good are aware that if you break the law, the goods in Tribunal will hunt you down or face punishment. The goods in Tribunal made a choice to place the needs of the many over the needs of the few(you and he). You made a choice to place the needs of a few (you) over the needs of the many (all the people the law protects, goods and neutrals) Everyone can go ahead and say 'a real good would never cause the death of another good' but you know the weight of your actions, and you know by breaking the law, you will force another good to have to act on you. So that is why you get outcasted. Avatars have a higher level of rp required, and are expected to find ways around it, why shouldn't any other good find a way around it? All that being said, I've always though that law cabals should be neutral only, but it's moot. Behren's has said that Tribunal are here to stay as is, why can't people accept that? WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Define long, I've had a 180 hour jail stint before, it was a bit rediculous. Not that I didn't deserve it, my goal was to get in jail, but still. I went and watched a movie and came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneak Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 WC: you are still not giving the answer to ethos over align only for lawful goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorCleric Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 http://forum.forsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=1132&highlight=align well, no one else is posting anything new... why should I? Align is discussed in that thread. WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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