oldskooler Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I usually don't play melee characters so this is my first venture with a berserker in a long time. i chose path of anger thinking haymaker would be really beneficial fighting spell casters and well....everyone. I have mastered it and gathered equipment to promote hr/dr. I still cannot understand why haymaker misses 9 out of 10 tries. Then when it does land i cannot take off hardly any spells if any, especially sanctuary from a glimmering staff. I cannot seem to solo many creatures by myself at all since I get hit too much, i've tried wearing a shield and double gripping. Killing temor is very hard even at 50 and i'm semi-well decked. Just confused and wondering if this an avenue to even pursue. I am very disappointed I must say in this class and I wonder if that is why there aren't many of us around. Tell me if there is something I am doing wrong, but haymaker missing over 80% of the time when it's mastered and then not even dropping spells seems worthless. I will probably still go trudging on but winning any battles against well...anyone without just charging seems very futile as gimped as haymaker is. Edit: Oh and the fact that neither of my main weapons haymaker and headbutt work on mobs it seems I have my hand's tied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I've Killed for Less Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Zerks = Junk class that needs to be toned up. I think there are about 3 million posts about this, just nothing has been changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 No one can dispel/lag/prevent a mob from casting. Blasphemy, silence, lag, nothing. I've bitched about it before too and was told it was to prevent spell casting mobs from being too easy to kill. *shrug* Means some mobs are impossible to kill for some classes, though this is supposed to be a multi player game, or so people keep telling me. As for haymaker not landing... There are more factors you can max than just hr/dr. Don't know if I'm allowed to list em all or not. If you think about em and grab some consumables and a few pieces of gear you might not normally get maybe it will help. I havn't pinned a zerk in a long time, so maybe haymaker success rate needs to be looked at. Dunno, I don't have shell access to look at the code and wouldn't probably know what I was looking at anyway. Besides, there are classes worse off than Zerk atm, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Blasphemy and silence stop mobs from casting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 but not fury...sad face here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Blasphemy and silence stop mobs from casting. Since when? Sure didn't last I checked. Admittedly This was 1+ year(s) ago, and I was told by a lvl 55+ imm at the time that that was intentional. If this has changed than that is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think it works on some mobs...the ones that actually make an incantation/do the whole narrows their eyes thing. But the ones that just make the magic happen are immune. emphasis on the I THINK part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Silence stops mobs from casting. Blasphemy does not stop mobs from communing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Since when? Sure didn't last I checked. Admittedly This was 1+ year(s) ago' date=' and I was told by a lvl 55+ imm at the time that that was intentional. If this has changed than that is huge.[/quote'] Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Silence stops Iggilwiv's hellstreams every time. Blasphemy stops Daryth's communes every time. -For two examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Silence doesn't bother Marisa for a third example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Holy s***! It does work. At least on some mobs. ::448/448hp 537/537m 323/371mv 8185tnl 7h 1633g D:: prof self silence Your proficiency at silence is 75%. Progress: [==-|---|---|---] ::448/448hp 537/537m 323/371mv 8185tnl 7h 1633g D:: ::448/448hp 537/537m 340/371mv 8185tnl 8h 1633g D:: pond You ponder the question. ::448/448hp 537/537m 340/371mv 8185tnl 8h 1633g D:: sum black master The master of the black robes arrives suddenly. ::448/448hp 487/537m 340/371mv 8175tnl 8h 1633g D:: cleave master You fade into existence. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite decimates the master of the black robes! The master of the black robes dodges your attack. The master of the black robes has a few scratches. Me: [===|===|===|===][100] ::448/448hp 487/537m 340/371mv 8175tnl 8h 1633g D:: The master of the black robes dodges your attack. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You parry the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has a few scratches. Me: [===|===|===|===][100] ::448/448hp 487/537m 340/371mv 8175tnl 8h 1633g D:: sil The master of the black robes utters the words, 'yrawz abrafax'. The master of the black robes creates a flaming arrow and points it towards you. The master of the black robes's flame arrow MUTILATES you! The master of the black robes has a few scratches. Me: [===|===|===|==-][90] ::407/448hp 487/537m 340/371mv 8175tnl 8h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|==-][90] ::407/448hp 487/537m 340/371mv 8175tnl 8h 1633g D:: You lost your concentration. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|==-][90] ::407/448hp 470/537m 340/371mv 8160tnl 8h 1633g D:: sil Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|==-][90] ::407/448hp 470/537m 340/371mv 8160tnl 8h 1633g D:: The master of the black robes has been silenced. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|==-][90] ::407/448hp 435/537m 340/371mv 8154tnl 8h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|==-][90] ::407/448hp 435/537m 340/371mv 8154tnl 8h 1633g D:: di The master of the black robes is blinded by the dirt in his eyes! Your kicked dirt scratches the master of the black robes. The master of the black robes rubs the dirt out of his eyes. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite injures the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You parry the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite misses the master of the black robes. The master of the black robes dodges your attack. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: dis You disarm the master of the black robes! The master of the black robes gets a sharp shard of obsidian. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite decimates the master of the black robes! You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has some small wounds and bruises. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite misses the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: twid You patiently twiddle your thumbs. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite misses the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite decimates the master of the black robes! You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: The master of the black robes dodges your attack. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite misses the master of the black robes. You parry the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite decimates the master of the black robes! Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You parry the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has quite a few wounds. Me: [===|===|===|===][92] ::415/448hp 443/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 9h 1633g D:: The master of the black robes dodges your attack. Your freezing bite devastates the master of the black robes! You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has some big nasty wounds and scratches. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 455/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 10h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has some big nasty wounds and scratches. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 455/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 10h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. The master of the black robes dodges your attack. Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has some big nasty wounds and scratches. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 455/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 10h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes has some big nasty wounds and scratches. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 455/537m 371/371mv 8154tnl 10h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes looks pretty hurt. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 438/537m 371/371mv 8133tnl 10h 1633g D:: c ener Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes looks pretty hurt. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 438/537m 371/371mv 8133tnl 10h 1633g D:: You failed to drain the master of the black robes's energy. The master of the black robes looks pretty hurt. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 403/537m 371/371mv 8126tnl 10h 1633g D:: c ener Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes looks pretty hurt. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 403/537m 371/371mv 8126tnl 10h 1633g D:: You failed to drain the master of the black robes's energy. The master of the black robes looks pretty hurt. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 368/537m 371/371mv 8122tnl 10h 1633g D:: c ener Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite injures the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][93] ::421/448hp 368/537m 371/371mv 8122tnl 10h 1633g D:: What a rush! Your energy drain scratches the master of the black robes. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][94] ::423/448hp 333/537m 371/371mv 8116tnl 10h 1633g D:: c ener Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][95] ::430/448hp 341/537m 371/371mv 8116tnl 11h 1633g D:: You failed to drain the master of the black robes's energy. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][95] ::430/448hp 306/537m 371/371mv 8109tnl 11h 1633g D:: c ener Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite misses the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You parry the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][95] ::430/448hp 306/537m 371/371mv 8109tnl 11h 1633g D:: You lost your concentration. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][95] ::430/448hp 289/537m 371/371mv 8085tnl 11h 1633g D:: c ener Your freezing bite mauls the master of the black robes. Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You dodge the master of the black robes's attack. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][95] ::430/448hp 289/537m 371/371mv 8085tnl 11h 1633g D:: You failed to drain the master of the black robes's energy. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][95] ::430/448hp 254/537m 371/371mv 8079tnl 11h 1633g D:: Your freezing bite wounds the master of the black robes. You block the master of the black robes's attack with your shield. The master of the black robes is in awful condition. Me: [===|===|===|===][95] ::430/448hp 254/537m 371/371mv 8079tnl 11h 1633g D:: c ener What a rush! Your energy drain grazes the master of the black robes. The master of the black robes is DEAD!! See even know it all jacka**es like me can learn a thing from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English lad Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Some mobs cast spells - using the same code as players. Some mobs have mprogs written that do damage and look like they're casting a spell. Silence/Blaspheme will work on those that use the spell code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Back to the original post. No. Sorry, Zerks basically suck at the moment. Haymaker WILL miss most of the time. It has to do with a mix of size, str, and dex, + luck. While all the races may excel in one they will do poorly in the other, causing a lot of missing. Mobs will eat you alive. I have thought for a long time that somehow Berserkers have -skill level, because I've had thieves with better melee ability vs. mobs. And I believe that path of anger actually harms your chances of landing a successful haymaker, which is also really dumb. Zerks could use a buff. EDIT: I would LOVE to see roar actually do something vs. mobs too. And have a perk for path of anger even, maybe only raged but at the moment roar is totally useless. Even since the change(which did nothing for path of anger). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 To play devil's advocate here... how much would you like to see haymaker being more reliable than dispel magic? This is a serious question. If you ask me, haymaker should be fairly unreliable. It may be TOO unreliable right now, but a raged zerk hitting a class it just haymakered sanc off of is incredibly painful. It needs a fairly high fail rate to be balanced... else, it'd be way too strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Give it a better success rate, not 100%. Right now dispel magic is balanced because it has to get through saves. Why not make haymaker dependant on -ac? Better ac, worse haymaker. Or perhaps allow better ac to make it remove less? Place a limit, haymaker should never dispel more than 3 things at one time and not allow another haymaker until 2 ticks have passed? There are many ways it could be better and still be balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Silence doesn't bother Marisa for a third example. I think that technically has to do with Marisa using psionics. Twin is right about silence and blasphemy. I agree... zerkers need something. I have rolled several and have never pinned one because they seem lackluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I personally think that haymaker should at least hit more often than uppercut. As a decently well-versed boxer...it is easier to hit someone with a body shot than catch them under the chin with an uppercut. I'd say it should hit more often...but maybe keep how often/how many spells drop the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Haymaker hits enough times as it is. The problem is people do not know how to tip the factors to their favor. Size maters. STR matters. If he has a shield matters a lot. As do other stuffs i will not refer, because i, frankly, do not wish to be Haymakered on my Clerics. Just to remenber if he is lagged from spells and you are both low HP, you hit haymaker, he flees you charge and he is DEAD. 4 rounds of damage + charge damage ? A lot to go throw without sanctuary. A cleric/mage that dispels cannot do spell damage while he is lagged from the dispel. But a Zerk can keep on truking with high meele damage after haymaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Lol Daryth will commune through blasphemy, sorry to break it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Lol Daryth will commune through blasphemy' date=' sorry to break it to you.[/quote'] Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Lol Daryth will commune through blasphemy' date=' sorry to break it to you.[/quote'] Never in my history of playing has Daryth communed against me while blasphemed. Almost every round before blasphemy, and none after. I must have selective luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H&R Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Not really. Really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I once wrote that haymaker was essentially useless to imms to invoke some type of response. Here is what I got: Lytholm "Haymaker is not useless, it is how you are using it. It is not going to land every time off the bat. " You dish out massive damage. Using haymaker slam is just stupid, just like no invoker should rely on dispel and hellstream for their wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Bastard Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Haymaker Haymaker should have close to the same success that chii bolt does. Either that or add another beneficial aspect to it. -400ac and -50svs and chii bolt had about a 90% success rate on removing a couple of my needed clerical spells. Dispel to date has never worked once against me for anything of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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