Guest emp_newb Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I am NOT pointing any fingers are naming any names, it just seems like alot of people are using this forum more and more to try to get a quick dig in at a player or char til an admin can lock it/edit the post. If you have a serious problem in game, and it is pissing you off. Put it in prayer forum. Don't get the forum taken away becuase you can't keep yourself under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icor Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 ...I think people should be allowed to get mad. The game is very frustrating. I agree that this isn't the place to express it though. There are a million video games out there where you can take a break and blast stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 ...I think people should be allowed to get mad. The game is very frustrating. I agree that this isn't the place to express it though. There are a million video games out there where you can take a break and blast stuff. I thought that's why people keep fire giant zerks at 30 for those days they just need to kill something... ^_~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 and THAT is why we keep gnome invokers at 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 and THAT is why we keep gnome invokers at 35 That's the way to help out. Make something for those zerks to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneak Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 But I love flames like marshmellows on a stick do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Heh, a gnome voker will own a fire giant zerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I thought that's why people keep fire giant zerks at 30 for those days they just need to kill something... ^_~ For me, the best frustration release comes from thievery. You can anger players to no end with a thief, especially one that only steals and doesn't PK... but don't expect to have many friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acerbity Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Heh' date=' a gnome voker will own a fire giant zerk.[/quote'] At 35? With no Sanctuary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 So, you can't cast it... that mean you can't use it? Under that logic no one but healers use flight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Hippo Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 For me' date=' the best frustration release comes from thievery. You can anger players to no end with a thief, especially one that only steals and doesn't PK... but don't expect to have many friends [/quote'] THAT IS 100% True. (Just don't wear Ubber Rares cause if you do get caught and killed you get mad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 A fire zerk has just as much potential to fry a gnome invoker as the gnome invoker has to freeze the zerk. It'll come down to eq, training, and skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Ah, but here is the diference. You said rank 30 zerk, I said rank 35 invoker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H&R Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 The invoker wouldn't have mana charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 A fire zerk has just as much potential to fry a gnome invoker as the gnome invoker has to freeze the zerk. It'll come down to eq' date=' training, and skill.[/quote'] To a point yes, but the invoker CLEARLY has control of the battle. With ice shield/ice storm you can dish out WAY more damage than any level 30 zerk can, I don't care what they are wearing, that rank advantage would also pose some serious problems to the FGs saves, landing dirt, and successful charges, the only thing the ogre has going for him really is Gnome doesn't have sanc yes I don't think(not real great with invokers only played like 3 all the way) so the vial/herb/pills will wear off far quicker. I myself have the most trouble with Gnomes/faerie invokers as an fg. I don't know why, I just hate them. Not to mention Mana shield, because any level 30 fg zerk/war who is pking is DEFINATELY gonna be wielding fire based weapons. So it would be a severely uphill battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 A fully trained lvl 30 zerk can dish out 6 ***oblits*** a round, unraged. Dual wielding smoking flails, leading with dirt...Bye bye gnome voker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 A fully trained lvl 30 zerk can dish out 6 ***oblits*** a round' date=' unraged. Dual wielding smoking flails, leading with dirt...Bye bye gnome voker.[/quote'] I don't know what herbs your zerks smoke, but let me know, I have seen very few pinned zerks that can deal that much in a round. I have fought MANY many zerks, I could believe the raged, but your talking about at LEAST a 70 damroll without rage, unless your ULTRA DECKED, thats NOT POSSIBLE withour rage dude man dude, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 That is not through sanc, that is strait, so that would be what, LACERATES/DIMEMBERS through sanc? Not to up on exact numbers. 6 of those a round with gnome having to go through a fair ammount of hp and sanc on your part, should be doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Maybe to a mob... No way they can do that in pk I have played zerks, fought zerks, killed zerks and died to zerks, never been hit by no 6 oblits a round, even against caballed zerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Maybe to a mob... No way they can do that in pk I have played zerks, fought zerks, killed zerks and died to zerks, never been hit by no 6 oblits a round, even against caballed zerks. yea dude, beastliest zerk I can remember fighting and dual wielding ludans axes he couldnt make six mangles a round vs my gnome invoker, let alone 6 oblits a round, that kind of damage is unheard of, you can VERY rarely do that dual wielding vulns raged against mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 This was awhile ago, maybe something changed. And that is not factoring in sanc/protection from evil. I did that kind of damage to a elf paladin before. It was a short fight. And a lvl 20 ogre zerk can hit that kind of damage if you are factoring in vulns, dual wielding rods against undead. It is possible for zerks to have obscene damage like this, not likely, but I've done it. Heck a fire giant at lvl 1 with no equipment other than a lantern, has a 12/14 hr/dr. Thats with NO equipment. Add on warcry, berserk, a decent set of equipment, at lvl 30, with high average damage weapons, and you will be cranking out insane damage. Once again, this does NOT factor in defensive spells or insanely good AC, both of which the gnome will have going for him if he wants to live. Invokers can get below -600 without things from gear/deso by lvl 50, which naturaly reduced the damage you take. My damage is best case senario, NO spells going. In actualy PVP this will rarely happen yes, but it IS possible. If I have to rank up to lvl 30 to prove it I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 This was awhile ago' date=' maybe something changed. And that is not factoring in sanc/protection from evil. I did that kind of damage to a elf paladin before. It was a short fight. And a lvl 20 ogre zerk can hit that kind of damage if you are factoring in vulns, dual wielding rods against undead. It is possible for zerks to have obscene damage like this, not likely, but I've done it. Heck a fire giant at lvl 1 with no equipment other than a lantern, has a 12/14 hr/dr. Thats with NO equipment. Add on warcry, berserk, a decent set of equipment, at lvl 30, with high average damage weapons, and you will be cranking out insane damage. Once again, this does NOT factor in defensive spells or insanely good AC, both of which the gnome will have going for him if he wants to live. Invokers can get below -600 without things from gear/deso by lvl 50, which naturaly reduced the damage you take. My damage is best case senario, NO spells going. In actualy PVP this will rarely happen yes, but it IS possible. If I have to rank up to lvl 30 to prove it I will. [/quote'] You said without rage, at level 30, there is flat out, no WAY to get a fire giant zerk to hit for 6 oblits in one round is all I was trying to say.its hard to do that with a pinn against a minor kindred with a charge in the mix Ill keep an ogre warrior at level 30 just for you, I will let you dirt me and rage non sanced dual wielding those, and I guarantee you will not get 700 damage in one round, nortak decked could barely do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 If I had the patience to fully train a fire zerk, I'd take you up on that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy Kid Wonder Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nortak was a warrior fyi. And I would have to say its not possible. I have played lots and lots of zerks. Every combination except human and I have not done that at 30. I have been damn close, but not straight oblits. I had an fg zerk devastation wearing solar grasp/solar mace vs a decked out drow. I won't say the name of the drow because he is still around today. It took me about 3-4 rounds to get him to awful. I berserked before combat, dirted, raged, and had typed in headbutt. Drow fled at awful and ran off. Not bragging or anything, but it CAN be done or pretty damn close to it. Only way it can be done is WITH rage. I HIGHLY doubt you can do it without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 I agree, against a decked opponent with good ac and whatnot, I agree it cant be done. My damage estimate is best case senario only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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