Player Controlled Cabals

[Neewie]

well first off, the website cant possible convert more than 1% of the players entering to new players. That would be an easy start (it even has wrong link to the forum [meaning no support to new players])

[English lad]

As regards the website Neewie - I happen to agree with you, the problem there is that we have no webmaster as current. Malch has said several times that if someone is willing to step up he will talk with them. The website we have in place is far superior to what we had previously, and that is because Crpyt (one of the games original implementors) stuck his head in a few months back and built us that website. The fact is that crypt, like many of the old Imm staff, doesn't have the time or inclination to Imm full time here any more, and as such hasn't been able to do that much with the website.

I for one am very glad to see new blood, especially new blood who are willing to offer ideas and suggestions, just remember that yes, you probably do have a lot of good ideas, but a lot of them have been discussed before, and sometimes even tried (some of the old versions of the forum were allowed to discuss a lot more info than now). If people disagree with your ideas, its not them always disagreeing with you, its the fact that they know from experience that it doesn't work in this environment.

That said - shooting ideas up in the ideas section is always welcome, as long as your not rehashing ideas that you have already put up before.

[mya]

The game is what you make of it.

I never had a problem getting cabaled. It's quite the opposite.

If enough cabal members send recommendation notes to the imms i am sure they will look you up for a Induction/Promotion.

While i do not entertain the idea of all cabals being Player ran, i think having just one Cabal Player run would be quite interesting.

Something unpowering, and with every imms eye on it, along with DRACONIAN tolerance.

For me this would be best suited for Knights/Tribunal or Watcher.

Knights, cause RP is easy, and you have already hard core limitation due to being good.

Tribunals can only attack wanteds, so easy to not derail.

Watcher ? Watcher who ?

Current Website is great, the previous one was quite bad (IMHO).

Yes, we need more IMMs, but to support those IMMS we also need more players.

A player run cabals could be great wait to observe potential new imms.

Great characters can make quite a good IMMS.

I would love to see for example what Dey could do in Tribunal.

[Neewie]

the website is not great - its horrible. I can give a hand at times if needed, but it would start communicating something completely different.

also some kind of paypal thing could easily be implemented in the game. Like buying a bind on an item, or a custom title or whatever. Those money could be used to do smallscale advertising and we could have 50 online in no time.

[f0xx]

Dey has already been an immortal, a great one too!

[mya]

also some kind of paypal thing could easily be implemented in the game. Like buying a bind on an item' date=' or a custom title or whatever. Those money could be used to do smallscale advertising and we could have 50 online in no time.[/quote']

Pay what ? Where is my Torch and my pitchfork.

Hey Foxx, who ?

[f0xx]

I forgot the name, but it was an IMM of Watcher.

[Twinblades713]

I forgot the name' date=' but it was an IMM of Watcher.[/quote']

Roykagh

[Celerity]

also some kind of paypal thing could easily be implemented in the game. Like buying a bind on an item, or a custom title or whatever. Those money could be used to do smallscale advertising and we could have 50 online in no time.

This is something I am very, very opposed to. Once you start giving IG bonuses/perks for OOC donations, you've crossed a very important line. I can honestly say that if this would be serious implemented, I'd be gone. :S

We used to have a delay on login for people who didn't vote on TMS. Even that was terrible--actually, I remember I really pissed off Virigoth for complaining about it so much--but thankfully it did stop soon.

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The webpage is, and has always been, a joke for FL. Instead of having a webmaster, I think Calron's wiki should be expanded and made attractive. But, alas, it is locked and mods seem to be absent.

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Player-run cabals? I'm mostly for it on the condition that there was something else to do other than look for PK. Just like Eshaine mentioned:

everyone starting to avoid conflict and trade with everyone did not really make cabal life interesting...

I think this kind of philosophy is what really stifles the game and ruts it into our PK-focus. What exactly is wrong with avoided conflict on a mass scale as long as some fun RP is there? Just like the old problem with WM-Savant...why are they are war? Nobody really knows, but we made some shallow reason, and now we follow it. It makes for shallow, highly-repetitive RP. If we can't have fun without enforced vendettas and going after any enemy like dogs, then we really need to improve the fun of RP.

To do that, we need to make other things to do at 50 other than mindless war. There is no real room for politics and diplomacy in FL---a blank trade vote is probably just as likely to pass as an official contract with months of RP and planning behind it.

Then again, I've been going on with that argument for almost a decade now...let's make something fun to do at 50 other than emoting RP, creative writing (notes), and powergaming.

The RP in FL is focused around the emote command---that is pretty basic. Sure, I can come up with a great idea, emote up a storm, make chickens fall out of the sky---but guess what, who really cares? I could to do the same thing with using notepad and not bother playing FL. Or as many people have pointed out over the years, I could join some RP chatroom---because really, FL doesn't have much more RP functionality than a basic chatroom does, right?

[Teralis]

I think there could be more imms, however I think the problem at the moment is the imms just isnt going to imm just anyone, the person would most definatly have to be a trustworthy person. Even to build you have to be trusted there are so many things that someone can do that I think could be abused like knowing all ids to games, using imm commands to see if unlocatable powerful items are within the lands etc.. these things can be abused as well as other abuse within cabals. Like inducting friends and such. These things are all frowned on and to most people the ability would be to tempting but lets face it its still cheating, for god sakes I dont even use cheat codes for playing video games it just takes away from the challenge and experiance.

Just my two cents.

I do agree that jumping on anyone who makes a suggestion or voices an opinion is very uncool, we have lost many players due to that, as well as losing many more to flaming people for thier speculations and characters, i still miss Dispiser and several other of the vets who played this game the way it was meant to be played.

[Lytholm]

Please define Warmaster being stagnant when:

1) I log on and check the clan and have ONE person who isn't a WM in the clan with zero clan quests.

2) All members have been on in the last 5 days.

3) I've been on multiple times in the past two weeks. Just because our times don't line up doesn't mean I'm not about.

Lytholm.

[Neewie]

people logging on every 4 days on average is not very active to me. that includes you, but please dont take it as a blame or anything. just that, as cabals are now they are very dependant of active imms.

[f0xx]

Neewie, just because you see on the clan list that Lytholm hasn't been present doesn't mean he actually hasn't been invisible and watching.

[Neewie]

well if that was the case dagoneto would have been made elder a long time ago.

[Imoutgoodbye]

well if that was the case dagoneto would have been made elder a long time ago.

Well, well....sounds to me like you did find an inner circle. Too bad it's the wrong side of the fence. Enjoy digging your grave.

[Grim_Reefer]

also some kind of paypal thing could easily be implemented in the game. Like buying a bind on an item, or a custom title or whatever. Those money could be used to do smallscale advertising and we could have 50 online in no time.

I'm gonna bring this up again, simply because I have dropped money into this game. I payed 90 dollars for adspace on TMS and I have seen nothing, nor have heard anything from anyone regarding this. Has the add run? Where are the players? Not trying to sound like an *******, but whats up?

[Lytholm]

well if that was the case dagoneto would have been made elder a long time ago.

I had an 'appropriate' response lined up for this - then I thought why waste my time?

Lytholm.

PS - how did Crypt used to handle this sort of thing?

[Imoutgoodbye]

I had an 'appropriate' response lined up for this - then I thought why waste my time?

Lytholm.

PS - how did Crypt used to handle this sort of thing?

With a few ripped off limbs.

[Anume]

I'm gonna bring this up again' date=' simply because I have dropped money into this game. I payed 90 dollars for adspace on TMS and I have seen nothing, nor have heard anything from anyone regarding this. Has the add run? Where are the players? Not trying to sound like an *******, but whats up?[/quote']

Please bump appropriate thread on prayer or create new one there, we should look into this.

[Neewie]

im not dagoneto valek and I dont have any inner circles.

[Anume]

Also, everyone behave please. I don't want to have to issue forum bans because this thread degenerates into insulting each other.

[Twinblades713]

I know, we have a thread for that guys. And I post often, so target me there.

[Neewie]

I had an 'appropriate' response lined up for this - then I thought why waste my time?

Lytholm.

PS - how did Crypt used to handle this sort of thing?

Very mature. No problem. Ill just keep quiet then.

[f0xx]

I think this thread should be locked.

PS. Valek, you are once again being an a$$ to a new person assuming things which you are not certain of.

[Lytholm]

Very mature. No problem. Ill just keep quiet then.

When it comes to the running of the cabal I'm in charge of I would think that you'd be very quiet indeed. Not to put too finer point on it but its none of your business how I conduct the affairs of the Warmasters. At this time I am the Immortal Leader and, in case you hadn't realised, that makes my word law within the cabal.

Now, you'll probably attempt to twist these words into me displaying some form of elitism - but I assure you that is not true. Being entrusted with the running of a cabal might have some perks - but like most things in life it comes with a great deal of responsiblity. How I decide to impact the cabal will create ripples throughout the MUD. I like to think that I was given this responsibility by the higher Immortals because I will be able to effect changes for the good of the MUD.

If you really think someone should be promoted the best thing you can do is note in game or put it on prayer. I'll take it into consideration. Effectively calling me out on a public forum in front of the playerbase:

1) Makes you look like you have a hidden agenda.

2) Detracts from the viability of anything you might say - on this post and future posts.

3) Makes you look like an @$$hat

4) Is a wholly ineffective way of getting your point across.

Newie - I don't think you're a bad player. I do think that you're going through the frustration part of the game when you start to get better than a newbie but aren't quite in the Super Bowl just yet. In time it will come - which I know sounds trite but for better or worse in this world (RL and FL) some skills are learned not taught. You're starting to learn - and most of all you're starting to learn what it is you don't know. Keep seeking what you want to find and you'll find it. One day you're going to log on and realise its YOU who is the biggest, badest PK dog that no one wants to fight.

Hope you do decide to stay with us here at FL.

Lytholm.