Hey you.

[Twinblades713]

Yea. It doesn't kill you to RP. It also doesn't kill you to not be cheap, an ***, etc. If it did kill you, the game would be alot better.

(If you're thinking, "But that's not me..." or "I play decently though..." Then I'm not talking to you. You sir, have a good day.)

But if you're the one narrowing your eyes at your screen hiding behind the anonymity, knock it the **** off.

[crackwilly21]

Angry much?

[Twinblades713]

No talky! It was a simple message.

[jibber]

I'm going to completely agree with Twin. Had a lot of rough run ins with a few characters that simply did not.. take the bull by the horns, so to say, and I seriously lost half-interest in my character because of it.

[Anume]

Usually the best way to go about this is to start with YOU OWN character. Lead by example.

[Twinblades713]

You'd like to think that would work Esh.

[Questioner]

But Eshaine, you killed my characters a lot more than you rped. You would think after the seventh time we would have more than just one word discussions.

[mya]

You'd like to think that would work Esh.

But it does. Lead by example works, because humans are sheep and will follow.

But how can people now be cheep ?

They cannot no longer full loot you and strike you again naked after you re ghost, unless you want them to.

There is hardly enough pinacles online to Gang Bang.

Did someone disarmed your 50 weapon and some lowbie picked it up ? You should report that to the imms.

[Twinblades713]

But it does. Lead by example works, because humans are sheep and will follow.

But how can people now be cheep ?

They cannot no longer full loot you and strike you again naked after you re ghost, unless you want them to.

There is hardly enough pinacles online to Gang Bang.

Did someone disarmed your 50 weapon and some lowbie picked it up ? You should report that to the imms.

lol, Mya. Your intentions are good, but you are quite, quite, wrong.

[Imoutgoodbye]

MMmmmm....

No.

You can't tell me what RP is.

And **** if I'm going to RP with anyone that just killed me and if I just killed someone, I'm bookin' it the hell out of there. We can RP in about fifteen minutes when I feel no one's going to jump me in a weakened state.

[alldaymuddin]

MMmmmm....

No.

You can't tell me what RP is.

And **** if I'm going to RP with anyone that just killed me and if I just killed someone, I'm bookin' it the hell out of there. We can RP in about fifteen minutes when I feel no one's going to jump me in a weakened state.

\

Took me a while to understand that it is nice to pretect someones things for them but not in my best interest, I died a few time to friends, groupmates, other enemies, those people themselves if ogre or fire giant wish bashes.

Just run Valek, run and never turn back!

[Imoutgoodbye]

And if you're wishing someone would RP with you before PK, forget it. Everyone's too worried about losing their "tactical advantage", like any of us even freakin' need it anymore.

Zimthrax and Kyril would banter before AND after PK/Death. We had a go early on in our young guild careers(when he was an invoker, probably around 24/25th level) and that battle went on forever. We never quit bantering back and forth all the way through it. It was incredibly refreshing and probably the only reason I didn't delete sooner.

[Twinblades713]

Zimthrax and Kyril would banter before AND after PK/Death. We had a go early on in our young guild careers(when he was an invoker' date=' probably around 24/25th level) and that battle went on forever. We never quit bantering back and forth all the way through it. It was incredibly refreshing and probably the only reason I didn't delete sooner.[/quote']

If only situations like this were more commonplace. You may not think you're the most valuable pkwise, but Valek, you are a complete asset RPwise to the pinn realm. I hardly even pinn anymore. I just get annoyed by what's there. At level 25, 35 etc.... all the people who only care about numbers, padding pk recs, they all fly by to pinn. When if you want, you can find your RP, your valuable pk that actually comes from an occurrence where both characters feel the fight is completely warranted. I think this is where I may stick around.

It's just becoming less and less worth it to reach pinnacle. Cabal warfare is a joke.

[alldaymuddin]

It's just becoming less and less worth it to reach pinnacle. Cabal warfare is a joke.

You like the lil gay battles with all the wannabe's and the rp is only there because they hope someone is paying attention?

[mya]

It's just becoming less and less worth it to reach pinnacle. Cabal warfare is a joke.

Yes, cabal warfare is a joke and i Hate it. Well i kinda like the Knight Vs Nexus thing for RP purposes. Hate all others.

And yes, it's a lot more RP rewarding to remain at 30.

You can just hand around in the commons, people can't assasinate you, and thieves will have a hard time killing if you wish to escape.

You should not espect people to RP with you pre PK, because of the surprise PK advantages. But, we should not give up on RP.

This also gave me an idea/sugestion.

[Twinblades713]

You like the lil gay battles with all the wannabe's and the rp is only there because they hope someone is paying attention?

A level 23 evil thief and a level 24 good paladin for example... are probably not wannabes. You like the mindless, repetetive mutikilling that's legal at pinn only because it has to be? Yeah, losing medallions and onyx rings sure is a blast. Hearing this from Mr. Condeath is pretty funny.

[jibber]

You like the lil gay battles with all the wannabe's and the rp is only there because they hope someone is paying attention?

Its things like this that promote bad experiences with those who choose to RP 24/7 to earn what they want. Everyone views level 30 apps as trashy multi killers.. When in reality they constantly rp and MUST have a reason to PK. Can't tell you how many times I was "spit" spammed for killing another one at 30. People can't accept the fact that this game begins @ level 1.

[crackwilly21]

Its things like this that promote bad experiences with those who choose to RP 24/7 to earn what they want. Everyone views level 30 apps as trashy multi killers.. When in reality they constantly rp and MUST have a reason to PK. Can't tell you how many times I was "spit" spammed for killing another one at 30. People can't accept the fact that this game begins @ level 1.

AMEN

[HouselessRogue]

Its things like this that promote bad experiences with those who choose to RP 24/7 to earn what they want. Everyone views level 30 apps as trashy multi killers.. When in reality they constantly rp and MUST have a reason to PK. Can't tell you how many times I was "spit" spammed for killing another one at 30. People can't accept the fact that this game begins @ level 1.

The thing about APP chars at 25-30 is this: The IMMS have more than once expressed that tons of kills at 30 (where the game IS NOT balanced) will not get your app approved, yet we constantly have chars sit at 30 and attack anything that moves. You want to be a demon. RP. You want to be undead. RP. It will get you there a whole lot faster than hunting down whatever is in your PK range. Seriously would it kill you to speak with the character to save/sell/trade their soul or whatever RP angle you have worked out before attacking them? Not speaking at all and attacking everything is trash no matter how you slice it. The funniest thing about those attack everything app characters is when they die and probably get full looted due to such a bad reputation/all bridges burned and ashes pissed on... they tend to break character. At least that has been my experience.

I completely understand that this game begins at level 1. I understand that PK flags show up at such a low level so that you can PK. I fully expect to be attacked anytime after that and I believe it would be a break in RP for a Purity character not to preach and go after the evils as soon as they are able to do so. Or vice versa. We, as players, must also understand that RP might dictate that a group of goods go after the big buff vampire, but it cannot be allowed because this is a game and it should be fun. In this case the vampire shouldn't be punished for being good at the game. Ganging, tagging, pit humping, etc. should be illegal because of what it does to the other players. That, of course, is just my opinion.

I love mudding. WoW and other similar games have never kept my interest the way muds do. Said it once but I will say it again - at some point we have to realize this is a game and everyone should have fun. We should all have a little respect for the other players no matter how much we hate their character in game. Plain and simple.

An no Jibber this is not a stab at you because I have no idea who you play. Zaulael (which you recently revealed) was awesome all around.

End rant.

[Twinblades713]

Damn straight to all of that.

And yes, Zaulael was a straight up badass all around. Zaulae and Scorvale had some damn fine interactions.

[jibber]

The thing about APP chars at 25-30 is this: The IMMS have more than once expressed that tons of kills at 30 (where the game IS NOT balanced) will not get your app approved' date=' yet we constantly have chars sit at 30 and attack anything that moves. You want to be a demon. RP. You want to be undead. RP. It will get you there a whole lot faster than hunting down whatever is in your PK range.[/quote']

I agree completely. I can attest to this, and I typically look down on people who I've never met, kill me, disappear, and I never see them again. But, in my experience lately (and usually always) if it were me in the 30 shoes (it has been sometimes) I RP before I come at whoever it is. I go after groups, sometimes, and RP the whole time. If I die to that group .. sure, I get angry in an RP sense of a way, and RP my way through it. In my experience with me on the other side.. I simply enjoy going through 30 because I know I'll run across that one person whose uniquely RP'd that will have that big impact on my character.

Seriously would it kill you to speak with the character to save/sell/trade their soul or whatever RP angle you have worked out before attacking them? Not speaking at all and attacking everything is trash no matter how you slice it.

As a quest app myself in the past, I usually pick a number of people I will kill. Unfortunately at the end of the apps life (whether I get approved or not, and move on) I end up having a helluva lot more kills then I expected. Why? Because you're a big RED target for everyone passing you up. 32s, all you gotta do is rank by us, autoexp, and then make the level 30s life a living hell, just cuz you can.

If you're a good quest app, you can usually turn away the majority of the people who attack you and kill them. Of course, you still get that same, dry response "spit spit spit slap slap slap spit spit spit." and then when they walk off and you really can't say anything to the above interaction, you get: Someone tells you "You just wait until you grow balls and rank." or "Only trash would do that" (they always find a way to veil it slightly and make it an in characterish phrase..). That in itself makes my blood boil.

The funniest thing about those attack everything app characters is when they die and probably get full looted due to such a bad reputation/all bridges burned and ashes pissed on... they tend to break character. At least that has been my experience.

I've seen it happen, and it sucks. I think sometimes imms wait so long to give quest apps what they want because they want to see what they do when they die. If they flip out and go OOC, that's grounds to either coach them about how to do it better, and give them a second chance, or simply deny them and say "move along now, kids.."

I've also had it happen to me. The best response I've ever had is, depending on my RP, is to stay extremely calm. Think to yourself.. "it's only level 30 gear I can get within 20 minutes of playing. It's all good!" and then think to yourself, without expressing it, "That full looting hump of a player, next time I interact with his ***, I'll genuinely out RP him, and then full loot him.". I don't think I've flipped out on a death in awhile.

I completely understand that this game begins at level 1. I understand that PK flags show up at such a low level so that you can PK. I fully expect to be attacked anytime after that and I believe it would be a break in RP for a Purity character not to preach and go after the evils as soon as they are able to do so. Or vice versa. We' date=' as players, must also understand that RP might dictate that a group of goods go after the big buff vampire, but it cannot be allowed because this is a game and it should be fun. In this case the vampire shouldn't be punished for being good at the game. Ganging, tagging, pit humping, etc. should be illegal because of what it does to the other players. That, of course, is just my opinion.[/quote']

Agreed.

I love mudding. WoW and other similar games have never kept my interest the way muds do. Said it once but I will say it again - at some point we have to realize this is a game and everyone should have fun. We should all have a little respect for the other players no matter how much we hate their character in game. Plain and simple.

An no Jibber this is not a stab at you because I have no idea who you play. Zaulael (which you recently revealed) was awesome all around.

End rant.

Gee! Thanks

[Pali]

Strange... as Velik I found tons of level 30 qrace applicants who were happy to RP with me. I had more trouble striking up RP with the people who weren't wannabes than with them (with one or two exceptions).

[L-A]

*The Devil's Advocate arrives in a swirling mist*

Half the game might be RP but half the game is PK as well. Why do you all play here? It isn't just to chat to people - its also to get the rush of the PK side of things.

Yes, sometimes its taken a little too far but sometimes there is no choice - a thief simply cannot overcome a warrior who camps in the woodland. It will not happen. Stealth is needed. Extreme examples aside there is nothing wrong with some RP during PK.

That doesn't mean everyone has to do it. Seriously though, you can't force your RP on others - and you can't expect everyone else to be narcissistic, philobusting extroverts because it suits you.

Someone has to be the silent killer, the assassinating ninja or the just generally unpleasant dark.....uh....paladin :-P

Can we get away from this 'I got killed and I don't like your RP' mentality. My unpleasant paladin doesn't want to talk to your smelly duergar shaman because...well, you're smelly. If I want your smelly opinion I'll use my polearm to take it out of your intestines.

Nothing is done without RP - good or bad. A fact we should all be very thankful for.

As for all you complaining about too many kill on qrace applicants perhaps someone will post the character interaction from another MUD where the 20-something dark knight had more PKs than we have ranks in FL.... You all might understand exactly why FL is better than other places...

L-A

[Twinblades713]

Someone has to be the silent killer, the assassinating ninja or the just generally unpleasant dark.....uh....paladin :-P

Not to pick and choose, I read the whole post. My only comment is if RP was as bountiful from those in question as from Kaylia - who was a VERY stealthy ninja that utilized assassination QUITE alot - then we'd have less complaints. Although none of that was the direct point of the post. I was talking to the people who know they could do better. Not a generalization encompassing the entire pbase.

[L-A]

Not to pick and choose' date=' I read the whole post. My only comment is if RP was as bountiful from those in question as from Kaylia - who was a VERY stealthy ninja that utilized assassination QUITE alot - then we'd have less complaints. Although none of that was the direct point of the post. I was talking to the people who know they could do better. Not a generalization encompassing the entire pbase.[/quote']

Then we, good sir, are in agreement.

L-A