Assassinate + falcon eye

[f0xx]

Alright, first of all I would like to say that I haven't been assassinated in 3 months now and this post IS NOT due to momentary anger, but is related to this set of skills that work in a current way, which I, and from what I've seen not just I, think it's not fair (OP).

I would also like to know what is the reason for having assassinate + falcon eye + study work the way they currently work.

What I mean is, I've played falcon eye ninja and I've assassinated with ease. I've played other characters, who have been assassinated with ease by falcon eye ninjas. So directly to the point - killing with falcon eye ninjas is just too easy and takes very little skill compared to what some other classes have to do to kill. Not just that, but assassinate fails extremely rarely. We've had many examples which prove that, which not only makes the falcon eye choise much wiser option, but it also makes the other ninjitsu options a pretty silly one, especially the one that allows you to negate a failed assassination attempt.

With this thread I would like you, the players, staff and overall community of FL to share your thoughts on assassinate/study/falcon eye. Do you agree with me point of veiw? Why? Don't you agree? Why? Give examples please.

And please, stay civilised and constructive.

[Evangelion]

Just a few examples of the times this has been brought up in the past. I don't see why it needs to be rehashed.

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=16802&highlight=assassinate

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=7121&highlight=assassinate

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=15340&page=3&highlight=assassinate

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=13513&page=3&highlight=assassinate

Edit: One more for good measure, complete with a statement by Zhokril.

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=14390&page=4&highlight=assassinate+overpowered

[Sirax]

Sorry I disagree ive played a few falcon eye ninjas and a few other types and with regards to it being easier it is but at the cost of some of the other options its not all that. It takes skill to stalk someone who is on the move, any little mistake can make you seen and with the majority of the player base they will have a good idea if they may have been studied.

All it takes is to be hungry, thirsty out of drugs to make you seen, if you know there is a ninja about and you get assassinated im sorry but you deserved it. Its easy of course if you are sitting about in a hide area doing f all whilst the ninja watches you, then of course its easy to get a full study. But by the time a ninja gets his full study, a thief could have gone in there, blackjack, gag, traps etc, backstab and a little chase if they havent already been killed ie without sanc, vul. So the thiefs way is far quicker.

The same could be said on a few other classes and if you get caught with your pants down. I understand its frustrating to get assassinated little to do but go get your things, but if it fails and believe me it does a good few times, it could be the end of the ninja, it lags a lot, against a warrior its good night. Add the fact that there are less players at certain times it can make for a very frustrating experience as a ninja, imagine having stalked a skilled player for a while getting a full study only for them to log of, ive gone bald through pulling my hair out in situations like that.

[Sirax]

Just a few examples of the times this has been brought up in the past. I don't see why it needs to be rehashed.

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=16802&highlight=assassinate

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=7121&highlight=assassinate

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=15340&page=3&highlight=assassinate

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=13513&page=3&highlight=assassinate

Well said, wish I hadnt wasted my time now

[f0xx]

All it takes is to be hungry' date=' thirsty out of drugs to make you seen, if you know there is a ninja about and you get assassinated im sorry but you deserved it.[/quote']

Sirax, for a ninja to successfully study + assassinate you don't even need to hide. I've fought a certain falcon eye ninja with my combat ninja. We were both ferals. I was much better dressed, much better prepared (consumables wise). The other one was simply running around not even having sanc up. Once she gets a tick of study, she moves away and burns the info. Repeat 3 times and I was dead. I've done the same thing myself and it is not hard at all. How can you avoid such situation? Log out?

@ Bali: Just because something has been discussed in the past, I don't see why I can't discuss it again + that post of Zhokril is more than a year old.

[Evangelion]

I'm not saying it CAN'T be discussed again. However, I'm merely saying I don't see the point. Nothing has changed significantly in the game since those posts were made, and therefore I don't see why the attitudes of anyone, staff included, would have changed since then.

I'm all for discussing new ideas. However, talking in circles about the same old things over and over again and making absolutely no progress is not something I tend to support. *shrug* Just my $.02

[Sirax]

When you attack you break the concentration so they learn nothing, your opponent probably new the lands more and moved quicker than you, thats not your fault but did you ever think "is she studying me" if you thought that and carried on then you have to expect it.

Most people that think they have been studied will log out thats fact trash or not its a tactic, the ninja could always log out also and hope to catch them again at a later date. If you were better equipped and prepared and she was unsanced you should have wiped the floor with her. If she did avoid you and managed to assassinate you then perhaps she should be applauded for her skill.

[mya]

I agree with FOX. Assassinate allows little room for player skill by the part of the Assassinated.

If you do not know how that you are being studied you will be dead.

You can be paranoid and this will save you some times, but not all the times.

I also think that the mechanics around the Assassination skill are a detriment for the Roleplay aspect of the Mud. As it makes the prime RP place to dangerous to be on. The cities.

That being said, i can hardly remenber the last time i was assassinated.

[BigPapa]

Sirax, for a ninja to successfully study + assassinate you don't even need to hide. I've fought a certain falcon eye ninja with my combat ninja. We were both ferals. I was much better dressed, much better prepared (consumables wise). The other one was simply running around not even having sanc up. Once she gets a tick of study, she moves away and burns the info. Repeat 3 times and I was dead. I've done the same thing myself and it is not hard at all. How can you avoid such situation? Log out?

I love it when the worst dressed wins. Why do the princesses in their beautiful gowns always get the man!

[EyeSeeU]

I am going to be brief... I think the way you study someone needs to be tweaked. Or Ninjas need study expertise selections for races. That way the selections would only matter when studying a race. This would in theory make a ninja not be able to perhaps assassinate everyone with ease. I however am fine with ninjas as they are but if something needs to be done perhaps we should focus on the study skill.

[Nomak]

I thin we should focus on the ninjitsu because there are two options that are uesd by no one.Lotus scourge and kiss of death needs to be changed in my opinion.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

sometimes you get assassinated...

[f0xx]

When you attack you break the concentration so they learn nothing, your opponent probably new the lands more and moved quicker than you, thats not your fault but did you ever think "is she studying me" if you thought that and carried on then you have to expect it.

Most people that think they have been studied will log out thats fact trash or not its a tactic, the ninja could always log out also and hope to catch them again at a later date. If you were better equipped and prepared and she was unsanced you should have wiped the floor with her. If she did avoid you and managed to assassinate you then perhaps she should be applauded for her skill.

Have you ever tried killing a falcon eye ninja? If such ninja dies to a class other than certain few who can see hidden and lag at the same time, then you are either quite lucky or the ninja in question is a newbie.

In my opinion a full study should never give more than 50% chance to assassinate the target. This way the other ninjitsu will become useful again.

There are so many things that are wrong with assassination - starting with the fast study times, success rate, the fact that it is still quite successful even when used against decked and standing opponent. Just compare it with the other 1 hit-kill spell in the game (powerword kill) and how much easier it is to deliver.

[Teralis]

All I can say is I've only been assassinated one time in all of my 12 years of playing. And that was when I was a noob. If you know what you are doing you will never be assassinated.

[Nomak]

if you don't know what you are doing you won't get assassinated either because there are not any ninjas on.

[Teralis]

I thin we should focus on the ninjitsu because there are two options that are uesd by no one.Lotus scourge and kiss of death needs to be changed in my opinion.

I have to agree here, I have found these skills useless thus far even though Lotus scourge is better then death kiss but still.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

All I can say is I've only been assassinated one time in all of my 12 years of playing. And that was when I was a noob. If you know what you are doing you will never be assassinated.

Assassinated once, on AR 11 years ago when all you needed was a goblin shortsword and a seringale banner. Assassinate is fine.

if you don't know what you are doing you won't get assassinated either because there are not any ninjas on.

seconded

[jibber]

I've played ONE falcon eye ninja, got to level 45, and deleted because I was bored. Why? Because I landed every, single, assassinate because I was able to study with extreme ease.

And not to burst anyone's bubble who is against changing this, I've had some immortals on the prayer forum tell me that assassinate is being looked into. So.. yeah, those who say nothing will be done are a little misinformed.

[Dlysier]

i got something to say

I like to party.... oh and did u know all shurikens get turned into steel shurikens after you log off Such a bummer:( i made all these mithril shurikens and bam now theyre steel but say mithirl kinda bogus And also i think we should be able to shoot ranger arrows and if ur gonna mess with falcon eye might as well mess with shadow arts and make it super badass

[jibber]

Shadow arts -is- super bad ***. A rogue with all of these maledicting moves that you don't have to type to have happen? Mmmm. I've had a couple shadow arts ninjas when I was a noob, and I must say, I think I did pretty well.

[Nomak]

I've played ONE falcon eye ninja, got to level 45, and deleted because I was bored. Why? Because I landed every, single, assassinate because I was able to study with extreme ease.

And not to burst anyone's bubble who is against changing this, I've had some immortals on the prayer forum tell me that assassinate is being looked into. So.. yeah, those who say nothing will be done are a little misinformed.

yeah assassinating with ease citizens and noobs who camp in central commons.

[Sirax]

Have you ever tried killing a falcon eye ninja? If such ninja dies to a class other than certain few who can see hidden and lag at the same time, then you are either quite lucky or the ninja in question is a newbie.

In my opinion a full study should never give more than 50% chance to assassinate the target. This way the other ninjitsu will become useful again.

There are so many things that are wrong with assassination - starting with the fast study times, success rate, the fact that it is still quite successful even when used against decked and standing opponent. Just compare it with the other 1 hit-kill spell in the game (powerword kill) and how much easier it is to deliver.

Nothing to do with being a better pk'er then, they are a noob or your lucky ok. If two ninjas are fighting that are the same race but one is falcon the other shadow arts, the one with shadow arts should be winning.

[jibber]

yeah assassinating with ease citizens and noobs who camp in central commons.

None of my assassinations, or the study thereof, were confined to a city. Perhaps my skill level simply exceeds those who are posting against the change, and are quite along the side of those who are for the change. This isn't meant to be any insult, but if someone who is as capable as I were to pick up the ninjas (and yes, they do it, and still do it, and there are still those out there flimflamming around doing it) we find it quite easy to assassinate. Unfortunately since this is a 'selectable' skill, we're unable to discuss WHY its so easy, but if I were allowed to discuss it I'm sure that those who were less inclined to believe it's too strong will suddenly switch sides

All in all, I still hold my ground in stating falcon eye ninjas do need a tweak, at least, and I have several ideas as to how that can be tweaked without making it a skill no one would select. I will have to post on the prayer forum though, if the Immortals are interested.

[f0xx]

Nothing to do with being a better pk'er then' date=' they are a noob or your lucky ok. If two ninjas are fighting that are the same race but one is falcon the other shadow arts, the one with shadow arts should be winning.[/quote']

You are comparing peaches to oranges Sirax. Yes, the shadow arts ninjas should win in a straight PK. But if the other ninja is running around, catching ticks of study, you will be assassinated VERY fast. Mind you, I've assassinated people with which I've had 3 encounters and not more than a minute or two straight PK. Falcon eye ninja which is not hiding is much more dangerous than one that is, because the general rule to avoid cities is then null.

[Sirax]

Yeah I agree with you, but what I am saying is that theres a skill to it, catching the timer, avoiding being attacked, put it this way ive played the fastest combination assassin and if you get caught out your dead very quickly, more so to get the full study working at its quickest you are for a period of time a sitting duck, those who have played one will realise what I mean by that.

Anyway Im not arguing with you, all im saying its not as easy as its made out to be, that is my opinion everyone has theirs. If they do or dont make changes that is up to the imms. Whats next on the agenda? Vampires or rangers, oh sorry rangers were last month.