f0xx Posted September 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 all im saying its not as easy as its made out to be But it is, and multiple people have proven it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirax Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Well the last ninja to assassinate me was Vanicus so I have to disagree with you. The most notable Ninja for a very long time is Kaylia and I do not even believe she is a falcon eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Anyone who tries telling me Lotus Scourge is not worth picking, obviously knows very little about it aside from the very obvious affect. My Undead Lotus Scourge Ninja, Heiqen, may have sucked the big one, but that wasn't because of my ninjitsu, but because I lack patience. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_Reefer Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Alright' date=' first of all I would like to say that I haven't been assassinated in 3 months now and this post [u']IS NOT due to momentary anger, but is related to this set of skills that work in a current way, which I, and from what I've seen not just I, think it's not fair (OP). I would also like to know what is the reason for having assassinate + falcon eye + study work the way they currently work. What I mean is, I've played falcon eye ninja and I've assassinated with ease. I've played other characters, who have been assassinated with ease by falcon eye ninjas. So directly to the point - killing with falcon eye ninjas is just too easy and takes very little skill compared to what some other classes have to do to kill. Not just that, but assassinate fails extremely rarely. We've had many examples which prove that, which not only makes the falcon eye choise much wiser option, but it also makes the other ninjitsu options a pretty silly one, especially the one that allows you to negate a failed assassination attempt. With this thread I would like you, the players, staff and overall community of FL to share your thoughts on assassinate/study/falcon eye. Do you agree with me point of veiw? Why? Don't you agree? Why? Give examples please. And please, stay civilised and constructive. lrn2spel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 My input that I add every time. You can only assassinate the people that let you. My only assassinate death was over a year ago because I was fighting CW in the Ford. I've fought many ninjas who've tryied to do the "I'm gonna run away and catch tics on you until I got you studied." It works if you let it. Be fighting them on the tic, or don't be in the area on the tic. If you're one of many classes with faerie fire, that can mess things up for them. If you have poison... or lag. Use those. It's a mechanic that you have to fight your way around. Uhh, fight your way around it. The other ninjitsus are not made useless or even weakened comparatively or threatened by Falcon Eye. I believe there have been more recent successful ninjas that chose doublesheath or shadow arts, than those who picked falcon eye. Also, Lotus Scourge is badass, you stfu about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 My input that I add every time. You can only assassinate [KILL] the people that let you. Let's be honest, this argument is valid for about most every class against any other class, regarding death. If you don't wanna die, you won't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Let's be honest' date=' this argument is valid for about most every class against any other class, regarding death.[b'] If you don't wanna die, you won't die. Would you look at that... So... then how are you defending that it's too easy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Because near half the player base does not think like I do. I'm sure that philosophy is foreign to most, if not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Reasons Assassinate Does Not Need to Be Changed: 1) It is all too easy to avoid being assassinated. Stay out of towns AND other areas that offer ninjas the ability to hide. Just because you're not in a town doesn't mean there isn't someone hidden in the shadows. 2) Once you bring cabal spells/abilities/items into the equation, ninjas with a concentration on assassinating (either falcon eye or death kiss) get totally shafted. 3) The only times people complain about assassinate ninjas is when there is a particularly competent and long-lasting assassinate ninja playing. I will say, however, that people freak out too much about assassinations. Just because you get assassinated and THOUGHT you were being careful, doesn't mean you're right. It's a matter of pride for most people, and when most people realize that they must have done something stupid or slipped up, they're more willing to scream "Burn the ninja!" than they are to admit their mistakes. But hey, do what you want. Also, Jibber, I'm glad that you're such an elite player and that you have it in with the immortals and are really spot on with everything you say. Any idiot can roll an assassinate ninja. It takes a special breed of idiot to do well with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomak Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 I double the statement of Evangelion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Instead of having falcon eye ninjas, let us introduce a new class. That class shall be called Pirate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirax Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Reasons Assassinate Does Not Need to Be Changed: 1) It is all too easy to avoid being assassinated. Stay out of towns AND other areas that offer ninjas the ability to hide. Just because you're not in a town doesn't mean there isn't someone hidden in the shadows. 2) Once you bring cabal spells/abilities/items into the equation, ninjas with a concentration on assassinating (either falcon eye or death kiss) get totally shafted. 3) The only times people complain about assassinate ninjas is when there is a particularly competent and long-lasting assassinate ninja playing. I will say, however, that people freak out too much about assassinations. Just because you get assassinated and THOUGHT you were being careful, doesn't mean you're right. It's a matter of pride for most people, and when most people realize that they must have done something stupid or slipped up, they're more willing to scream "Burn the ninja!" than they are to admit their mistakes. But hey, do what you want. Also, Jibber, I'm glad that you're such an elite player and that you have it in with the immortals and are really spot on with everything you say. Any idiot can roll an assassinate ninja. It takes a special breed of idiot to do well with it. WELL SAID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 But hey' date=' do what you want. Also, Jibber, I'm glad that you're such an elite player and that you have it in with the immortals and are really spot on with everything you say. [/quote'] Do you have a point to this last statement, or are you simply flexing your, "I'm a college student, so I know everything" skills? Or is it simply jealousy? I get enough of that banter in game. I'd like it if you kept it at least have decent on the forums. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 I must confess that I did not read a single post in this thread - which is something I usually do not do before posting - but I wanted to say that we will be making a change in the code of assassinate very soon. I will not get into details. This will neither be a "gimp" nor a "power-up". We will leave it to you to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Apart from my experiences in being hunted by Tetsunai/Vanicus (and not getting assassinated) I haven't been assassinated since the start of 2.0. Its not that hard - keep moving, run non-hide areas so you can see if you're being tracked and don't let ninja's get the first shot in - much akin to fighting a charging mino. I'm not convinced that falcon eye itself makes it too easy for assassinate. Whether it takes 3 or 30 or 300 ticks the ninja WILL get the study if they are skilled and clever enough. Its one of the reasons the rogue classes are given NO QUARTER by myself. Appraoch without speaking and you take a death and full loot. No. Questions. Asked. Skilled ninja's would benefit more from either the melee ninjitsu (as melee'ing targets is faster when you have surprised) or Death Touch so when you do miss you aren't killed for free. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Upset that someone is actually arguing against you, or what? I did not disregard anyone's previous statements. I stated my view, just as you had. Now learn to constructively criticize and quit resorting to childish techniques of banter over the forum for crying out loud. Oh, and Malchaeius, I appreciate you verifying my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 I love it how one side claims that their falcon eye ninjas can cut up everyone like swiss cheese and then we have almost everyone else claiming that they have not been assassinated in like ten years. Makes me wonder just who these ninja are actually assassinating? I conclude that it must be the AI controlled characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 No, just yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Shrug. I think cabals make it worse. You have to fight some dude that will just hide and study you. Pretty rough. Rykar used to assassinate me when I had 60 60 hit dam, enlarge and hasted without being strangled lol... I think that had something to do with size, but being studied in like 5 minutes wasnt cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I thought that hiding ninja's were one of the few exceptions to coming like an idiot to defend your cabal. Once the 'hide and study' game starts its time to hoof it far, far away... L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 No' date=' just yours.[/quote'] FYI the last time I was assassinated was close to a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I thought that hiding ninja's were one of the few exceptions to coming like an idiot to defend your cabal. Once the 'hide and study' game starts its time to hoof it far, far away... L-A Self Edited. You're not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antisonic Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Alright' date=' first of all I would like to say that I haven't been assassinated in 3 months now and this post [u']IS NOT due to momentary anger, but is related to this set of skills that work in a current way, which I, and from what I've seen not just I, think it's not fair (OP). I wasn't going to post, but as it was my char you saw , that originally started this off, I felt I would like to say something... So Me, pre-42 So can't assassinate anyone...just got my ninja specs and choose falcon... just that night...and thief in same clan asks me outright for my spec choice.. So i flash him a look at my Proficiency of falcon eye... then said char rolls eyes, say some mutt about assassin types, and logs off, and posts here, as you can see from the original post, like he said, no assassination, and most likely none ever to come from my char, but what? some right to complain... then I reread his post, go through reading everything written here. How it goes from constructive to confrontational to outright personal...An Imm comments also; on something already so discussed with a direct response to a change to skill, and still it goes on. The only thing I actually took out majority of these posts is that those who disagree with ninja's is a veiled argument at the "fairness" of the class and its skill set. That being said I shan't be online due to going overseas for my wedding for a month or so, but when I get back, I intend to gain assassinate (hopefully IMM remodeled), master it like all my other skills, get my buddies to help me to run to 50 and then learn how this new assassinate works and possibly see if there can be some new arguments to this class and skill set that will be new, constructive and respectful to the Imms, instead of rehashing, re-quoting, re-arguing along the same old lines... I rarely ever post, because even though it seems as if some of the vets and leets etc. that have "grown up" with this mud, many have grown older, and somehow managed to not grown more mature in mindset... Shrugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiecutterbox Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Shrug. I think cabals make it worse. You have to fight some dude that will just hide and study you. Pretty rough. Rykar used to assassinate me when I had 60 60 hit dam, enlarge and hasted without being strangled lol... I think that had something to do with size, but being studied in like 5 minutes wasnt cool. Rykar didn't take falcon eye. I think that time I got you so quickly I got REALLY lucky on a study and just went for broke on it. And I believe that time I did actually strangle you. There were times I got Dumela without a strangle, but there were times I did strangle. And Rykar's hit/dam was pretty good. I've never personally had a falcon eye ninja, I've heard from falcon eyes that they can get full study in 3 studies and I've been jealous of that, but I think if they're forced to fight, they're easier to kill. Shadow arts is a devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Do you mean 3 ticks or 3 studies? 3 studies = 15 ticks which is enough time for even non-falcon eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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