Imoutgoodbye Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Fixed that for ya buddy. You wanna fix something for me? Here in Michigan, we get all these "beaners" that come up from Texas and Mexico in the summer. They receive hundreds of dollars in state and federal assistance for living in hotels and picking the farm fields up here for less than minimum wage. Meanwhile, they spend their money on booze and sexually harassing the local women. Near the end of fall, they take all they money they made in the field (keep in mind, they didn't spend hardly any of that, they're living off state and federal assistance.) and take it back Mexico. Meanwhile, people like me, residents of Michigan, have to beg and plead for even the smallest amounts of assistance to support our families while all the jobs leave the area and Governor Granholm tries to figure out how to balance the state budget. In the words of Dave Mustaine, "The System's for Sale!" EDIT: I use the term beaner because these people that come up for the fields...they have no self respect, no respect for others...they're just like animals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hey man, I'll be the last to argue that the systems we have now are anywhere close to perfect, or that they don't screw American citizens over on a daily basis to save a few bucks by outsourcing. However, saying "what we have now is broken" and "nothing remotely like what we have now could possibly work" are two very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I was just bitching. None of my post had anything to do with the rest of the world's views or symbolisms. I just think we need to focus on us first, take care of ourselves, and stop worrying so much about the rest of the world. If we don't give enough, the rest of the world thinks we're tight asses. If we give "too much" (see Iraq Invasion), we're world dominating bastards. I think we should keep our noses in our own back yard for a while, then see what we can do for the rest of the world before we draw and quarter ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I just think we need to focus on us first' date=' take care of ourselves, and stop worrying so much about the rest of the world.[/quote'] I fully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Jeebus H. Kites.... am i the only one thats uncomfortable w/ some of the pseudoscientific terms that were being tossed around so smoothly in this thread. Negroid? Mongoloid? Really... what is this... the 19th century? Man..... im half expectin a debate on cranial sizes and Phrenology lol... Valek... i think your anger and prejudice are misplaced... you should be mad at the big businesses who lobby for this kind of thing. Its like back in the industrial revolution when they wanted to work people 14 hours a day for crap pay... until the govt decides to say "No... were not gunna endorse this kind of labor" businesses are going to continue to look out for their bottom line. They dont see you as a human... but as a consumer and as a tool. Businesses are gunna keep outsourcing until the govt taxes the shiznit out of them for overlookin their own people. I remember when i first came to this country... people hated us Haitians in south florida for the same reasons a lot of people hate mexicans. My parents first job in this country was washing dishes and cleaning rooms at the Mariott for crappy pay. Its not that they didnt have self respect... they were both college graduates in Haiti... and my pops even had a nice paying govt job... but they had to do what they had to do for the pay they were being offered. Its always the same... from when it was the irish... to when it was the italians... to the chinese in cali... to Haitians in south florida... to the mexicans now... whenever a poor immigrant group comes and swallows their pride to do crap jobs so they can pull themselves up the ladder... the residents... who themselves are poor... misplace their anger. "Its b/c of those drunk Mickeys! Those damn Wops! Lousy chinks! Dirty Haitians! Worthless Beaners!".... wake up bro.... were all being played. __________________ Iconz - Dont hate the playa... hate the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I'm with you Iconz, and I'm also against Valek's use of derogatory terms against the hispanic immigrant population. Seriously, he just said "they're just like animals". Sooner or later you may come to realize that a large group of people who play this game are either ignorant or committed to white supremacy. The debate on cranial size already took place a few months back, until the OP straight up mentioned he had a hitlerian agenda. Maybe those people on these forums who hold racist ideologies would be happier living in pre-world war II Germany. Then again, they would probably be losers regardless of their place in space and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrek Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 What does not wanting to change the US have to do with wanting to live in pre-world war ii Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Nothing. Except that the two seemed to go together in this thread. Reviewing your comment, I will revise that part of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 That America doesn't think of itself as perfect and can admit its wrongdoings. That America isn't just a nation of rich white Bible-bashers. That America wants to work with and be a partner to the world rather than exploit and control the world. you seriously need to get out more and stop watching news networks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I'm with you Iconz' date=' and I'm also against Valek's use of derogatory terms against the hispanic immigrant population. [/quote'] Wake up and smell the coffee for a minute. You live in Michigan during the summer? Think about how every culture faces a negative stereotype, no matter what culture it is. Now imagine that the majority of this "hispanic immigrant population" (most of them are not "immigrants" mind you, they're just here for the summer and they act like it) decide they want to go ahead and embody the women abuse, drunken public displays, piss poor hygiene...yeah, I kinda view that as an animal. And I've been called prejudiced before. The only thing I'm prejudice against is stereotypes. Now mind you, women abuse, drunken public displays, piss poor hygiene can also describe a white redneck boy in the middle of nowhere... Why don't you people get off your high horses every time someone's not 100% PC and wake up? The world's not perfect, never will be. I don't hate the workers in the summer. I hate the system that caters to them. I just want them to act like they're in my backyard. Not using the county jail drunk tank as a swinging door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Valek, if you hate the things you just mentioned then just come out and say that in the first place. My issues with your post was instead of saying you hated those things, you said you hated mexican immigrant 'beaners' and that they were just like animals. There is a difference between disliking certain activities or attributes, and between applying them to a whole group of people. You are reinforcing the stereotype and you should know that almost no generalization holds up under scrutiny. Its not about being PC... its about not being a hate mongering and ignorant fool. If you think that the only thing wrong with your statements was that they were not PC, then you are truly missing the point. I call it as I see it. And I've been called prejudiced before Can't take a hint? Stop being defensive about it and just own up that you were wrong and should be punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Should read my post more carefully. I referred to a specific situation in Michigan. Not everything's as black and white as so many of these so called "activists" would like to believe. I'm not apologizing. If someone wants to "punish" me, whatever. There are many things no one wants to look at. Detroit, Flint, East Lansing, Saginaw, Bridgeport....there's so many troubled areas in Michigan that I'm afraid to drive through... But the point of that last paragraph of rambling is, you can't protect everyone's sight. This is a PG-13 forum. Oh, no, I said someone "acted like an animal". People get called animals every day. I've been called an animal. Have you? Oh, wait, you thought I was referring to an entire "race". Laughable. Have a good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 you seriously need to get out more and stop watching news networks I get out plenty. I don't watch TV news at all - most of my news I get from various newspapers or online. I also converse daily with people who are not US citizens, who are not white, and who are not Christian. If you think Obama's election has meant nothing to those groups of people, then you, my friend, are the one who needs to get out more (edit: hell, I'm not a Christian, and Obama not bringing up God as justification for his actions is for me alone a welcome relief - though, I really wish he'd go a bit further and get rid of Bush's faith-based initiatives, which he sadly hasn't). I do find it interesting that rather than try to argue your case, you're just saying that I'm wrong and that I need to do something to educate myself better. That's not how a conversation is held - that's how it is ended. P.S. Just a reminder: all humans are animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I do owe an apology. I apologize for not being specific and bringing my idiotic ramblings to this thread. I am in no way trying to point out a specific culture nor do I have ill feelings towards others based on their culture. I just have issues with a certain group of people (whom not all are like that) that come to Michigan and believe they don't have to follow our laws, etc... The unemployment rate in Michigan is highest in the country. My counties unemployment rate matches Michigan by percentage. I'm happy and fortunate I'm working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 That America doesn't think of itself as perfect and can admit its wrongdoings. That America isn't just a nation of rich white Bible-bashers. That America wants to work with and be a partner to the world rather than exploit and control the world. I do find it interesting that rather than try to argue your case, you're just saying that I'm wrong and that I need to do something to educate myself better. That's not how a conversation is held - that's how it is ended. Yeah, you're wrong. I'll say it. This is a narrow minded view held by a lot people of your stereotypical political stance. People that think the malaise of the United States is from "rich white Bible-bashers." Wow. Amazing. Ignorant. Retarded. The fact that the county was founded by poor, white people who only wanted religious freedom seems to escape so many of you. First off, its not America. Its the US. Go tell someone in Costa Rica or Brazil that you're American and you're going to get bitchslapped. Your idea of calling it America goes against your professed belief that you want other countries to not feel like we're the be all end all. I've studied in Costa Rica, was in Peace Corp in Guatamala, and mission work in China. I've got numerous friends who have done mission work in China. I have two in-laws who are from Brazil. Another in-law is in Guyana right now for the Peace Corp and when she gets back I'll compare her thoughts on the view of the US. And she is from upstate NY, lives in NH, worked in Mass, so she's not "tainted" by my southern beliefs. And yet another in-law, born in upstate NY, quit his job down here in the south to travel China for a year. Why? I guess because he was a rich white boy. From my experience, you're wrong. Next: Obama This guy is not your damn savior. Thats so beyond the truth and ridiculous that I just cringe for those who voted for him. To think that he will not pander to the same, let me fix that, to think that he HAS not and will not CONTINUE to pander to the same type of people that Bush did is ****ing laughable. This guy is a politician. Mmmmmmmmkay?!? Just this week he hosted a $15,000 plate dinner for people on Wall Street. What was he doing? Hmm.... You say he hasn't come through lately. Because he said what he had to, to get idiots to vote for him. Now he's sucking dick for $15,000 a plate. . I deleted the rest for self- and thread-preservation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 This is a narrow minded view held by a lot people of your stereotypical political stance. People that think the malaise of the United States is from "rich white Bible-bashers." I never said I think that the malaise of the United States is rich white Bible-bashers. I don't. There are a lot of problems within the system - there's no single group of people that I think are responsible. That phrasing was specifically used in the context of the symbology of Obama's presidency - not as a reference to my own views. The fact that the county was founded by poor, white people who only wanted religious freedom seems to escape so many of you. What does this have to do with anything we've been talking about? First off, its not America. Its the US. Go tell someone in Costa Rica or Brazil that you're American and you're going to get bitchslapped. You're idea of calling it America goes against your professed belief that you want other countries to not feel like we're the be all end all. You're right, that is a bit hypocritical of me. I use it by habit and reflex, but I'll try to keep a better eye on myself in the future. From my experience, you're wrong. Again, we're referring to the symbology of Obama's presidency here, right? The total lack of symbolic meaning that was reflected when, upon his election, millions of people around the world took to the streets in celebration? I'm not necessarily arguing that he has earned the symbolic meaning he has - I'm just saying that it is most certainly there. Next: Obama This guy is not your damn savior. Have I ever said he was? No. In fact, I've mentioned numerous times in this thread that I am disappointed by many things that he has done thus far in his presidency. I'm also well aware that he is a politician, which means he's got plenty of interests to consider beyond the well-being of US citizens. I'm also well aware that he's continuing many of Bush's mistakes. I'm not blind to what he's doing wrong. EDIT: And considering that the alternative was a McCain/Palin White House... no, I don't regret voting for Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 malaise Neither of you are allowed to use that word. I don't know what it means and I'm too lazy to look it up. EDIT: on a sidenote, I'm too lazy because with Raargant not around, I was able to put away my dictionary and thesaurus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekky Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I think that one thing is common to nearly all governments in the Western world. In a two-party system, the two major parties appear to differ on key issues, but in actuality are just different brands of the same product. If you get down to the nitty-gritty, you will see that there are more similarities than differences. At the last election in Australia, for example, John Howard was voted out of the Prime Ministership and replaced by Kevin Rudd. Howard had enacted some very unpopular workplace relations laws that were widely hated and criticized. Also his stance on illegal immigrants was much maligned. Rudd basically built his campaign on these issues. Now Rudd is the Prime Minister, and although I like him a great deal more than Howard, if you look at the bare facts he hasn't changed the unpopular workplace laws OR the previously maligned stance on illegal immigrants. In some cases the laws that he built his campaign talking trash on are even more strict than before. This is not a pot-shot at immigrants, that just happens to be one of the key issues that the two candidates were 'opposed' on. I think of myself as fairly liberal, and if Dead Voodoo Doll and I agree on one thing it's that in a two-party system, each side does what it has to to get elected. I also agree with Iconz that immigrant labor is not "immigrants stealing jobs". It's more like "businesses buying illegal labor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I think of myself as fairly liberal' date=' and if Dead Voodoo Doll and I agree on one thing it's that in a two-party system, each side does what it has to to get elected.[/quote'] serious problem with the whole system is that you've got two choices, I agree I also agree with Iconz that immigrant labor is not "immigrants stealing jobs". It's more like "businesses buying illegal labor". true and I've got nothing against Mexicans in SC cause they're doing stuff that nobody else will do. More power to them, they've got a family they're looking after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Actually, every time I vote, I have SEVERAL choices for president. Thing is, only two are widely recognized. THE MAN IS HOLDIN' FOLKS DOWN! I mean, my school didn't even allow the branching out on political views in my AP Government class in high school because "there was little time for that". Thankfully our teacher took our considerations into curiosity and took the time to answer any questions we had on what other political views were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 You know who i really liked? "The crazy uncle of the Republican party" Ron Paul. He said some real things when he was campaigning. I knew he had no chance of winning (b/c he also said some "crazy" things) but i dug his 'say whatever i feel like' stance hehe. He was complainin during the primaries about the fact that some people are not given the same amount of coverage... and its true man... the media latches onto someone and then boom... thats it... you only hear about that person. __________________ Iconz - "Democracy forever teases us with the contrast between its ideals and its realities, between its heroic possibilities and its sorry achievements." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 You know who i really liked? "The crazy uncle of the Republican party" Ron Paul. He said some real things when he was campaigning. I knew he had no chance of winning (b/c he also said some "crazy" things) but i dug his 'say whatever i feel like' stance hehe. He was complainin during the primaries about the fact that some people are not given the same amount of coverage... and its true man... the media latches onto someone and then boom... thats it... you only hear about that person. __________________ Iconz - "Democracy forever teases us with the contrast between its ideals and its realities, between its heroic possibilities and its sorry achievements." I liked Ron Paul...I forget what party he ended up in after the Republicans booted him...silly Texan. The way coverage happens is BS. I can't remember what it is, but I think there has to be so many registered voters before a third party is recognized as a primary power? I've been out of school too long. EDIT: I also want to publicly apologize for using such a derogatory term. You're right, Iconz, my man. I labeled from race and that makes it easier to not like someone to apply such a negative label. It's something I should not have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 i'll vote for ron paul any day of the week, even though some of his stances are a little crazy (bring back the gold standard? really?). it really is a shame that both of the major parties today support broadening of governments power and reach. there is no room left for true small government supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 You know who i really liked? "The crazy uncle of the Republican party" Ron Paul. He said some real things when he was campaigning. I knew he had no chance of winning (b/c he also said some "crazy" things) but i dug his 'say whatever i feel like' stance hehe. He was complainin during the primaries about the fact that some people are not given the same amount of coverage... and its true man... the media latches onto someone and then boom... thats it... you only hear about that person. __________________ Iconz - "Democracy forever teases us with the contrast between its ideals and its realities, between its heroic possibilities and its sorry achievements." too true, too true. ron paul was the shiz, and his website was awesomely designed as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Ron Paul quotes: "our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin." "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers." Even David Duke, former grand wizard of the KKK and known white supremacist supported Ron Paul with all his furor. In point of fact, Ron Paul was the preferred candidate for neo-nazi organizations and racial segregationists across the United States. More Ron Paul Endorsements: "Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you're a white nationalist, then put aside your differences with one another and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man, look at the issues, look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul, 2008." Ron Paul's record: "In June, Paul was one of only two congressmen to vote against the Emmett Till Unsolved Civil Rights Crime Act (HR 923)... He doesn't believe that the federal government should be involved in enforcing civil rights laws." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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