RP said, PK said

[myrek]

It seems like we're always arguing about RPing enough. Some say yes; some no. I think a lot of people are.

If you're one of the people who wants more RP with PK, tell us what you're looking for. Give us your point of view.

Here's the point of view of someone who is very pro-PK.

RP = role-play = play a role. I design a character based on the idea that the world is at war. Walking from town to town, I know my characters will pass entire armies. I know that there will be countless beasts trying to kill me. I go through the religion ring and pick positions on each topic: magic vs mundane, good vs evil, order vs chaos, nature vs civilization. I decide how fanatical the character is on each topic, if they care at all. Generally, I take an extreme position on at least one of the topics. (Playing a luke warm character would be boring.) I usually give the character a character flaw. With that information, I flesh out a backstory and plot some zMud scripts. Now I have everything that will dictate who I'm friends with and who I kill.

Then I write up a description. The name comes from a random name generator unless it is a drow. I use a web site that has drow name segment meanings. We all know what's next: autoroller! And the character is made!

When it comes to playing the role, the role dictates the clan I join and when. If I haven't decided, events will push me one direction or another. The role will dictate where I go to rank. It may even dictate where I train.

For personal interactions, obvious opposites are natural enemies. They will be avoided or killed. For other groups, I keep notes. If a noticeable pattern appears, I stick to it. If left-handed werebeasts have been dicks to me, they're going to be on my ****list, for example.

For combat, I am not going to say two words to you. I'm in it to win it. Hell, there have been many times when I've been on the run and I've started up conversations with my assailant just to slow them down. In the time it takes them to type "I'm sick of your crap. I'm going to kill you, eat you, and wear your skin as a hat," they could have checked four or five areas for me. And that isn't counting them scrolling back to read my message!

Do I talk to people before I fight them? Maybe. I rarely tell them that I'm on my way. Why? My characters are generally intelligent enough to be tactical.

All that being said, when I hear someone say I want more RP, I hear that you want more healer tea parties. I hear that you want me to chat with you while my RP says I should be hunting you. I hear that you want me to chat with you while someone else's RP says that they should be hunting me. You may think that my point of view is very PK based. I think it is very appropriate for a world at war.

That is how I build and play a role.

[samag08]

Absolutely beautiful. I basically follow the same procedure.

[Imoutgoodbye]

I used to HATE the "silent" PKer. Now I wish people would STFU about why their character did this, why their character does that. I even get to understand why their character took a ****. If I can't find someone after an attack, I'll strike up a conversation between healing up. Make things interesting with a little taunting/"history building". I like to enjoy my enemies, get to understand them a little so I can mind **** them.

I don't expect anything anymore. It's quite the mixed bag out there and I hope people understand and appreciate that instead of glaring at one another. I'll puke if I get too much of any one style of play. I like to participate in it all to a degree.

Unless Myrek's on, then I'm probably running around trying to dodge death and I don't have time to talk to you.

[Grim_Reefer]

Myrek sucks.

[Ex-D&Der]

I'm generally with Valek here. I don't like long explanations from someone who just killed me. Especially when I sense that the explanation was concocted in advance as an excuse to PK.

[myrek]

So what do you want?

[HouselessRogue]

Nice overview Myrek. The only thing I might add for my process is leaving a few things open to be swayed through interaction.

[L-A]

I can't believe that everyone is still SO hurt by full looting. When I started a full loot meant just that - you'd lost everything except (maybe) the gold you had in the bank. If you didn't put much in the bank you could find yourself begging for a sword on the Miruvhor streets in short order - and its not a great position to be in let me tell you.

These days you're all so spoilt with:

1) The moderate tier

2) Lockers

I mean these things alone pretty much mean I HAVE to full loot you when I can because you're either going to be immune or able to grab an 'allright' set of stuff in about 0.2 seconds and perhaps come looking for me. Depending on class you can 'get by' on non-rare if you're clever. Hell, most melee's can 'get by' on non-rares and one good weapon if they have to.

My RP - well, I think its Myrek who is credited with this quote (ironcially as this is one of his threads since returning:

If I had a RP reason to kill you, I've got a RP reason to full loot you.

It really is that simple.

L-A

[EyeSeeU]

This is solid as a rock, can't debunk facts. Well done.

[The-Nameless]

I just cannot share that mentality. If your a massive warlord, and a citizen assaults you. You proceed to shoot him with your AK. While he lay there in his death throes you do not take his sandals.

[EyeSeeU]

I just cannot share that mentality. If your a massive warlord' date=' and a citizen assaults you. You proceed to shoot him with your AK. While he lay there in his death throes you do not take his sandals.[/quote']

You do if you don't want another citizen to assault you.

[Aulian]

I just cannot share that mentality. If your a massive warlord' date=' and a citizen assaults you. You proceed to shoot him with your AK. While he lay there in his death throes you do not take his sandals.[/quote']

In real life the guy also hasnt got 60 lives.

[Pali]

In real life the guy also hasnt got 60 lives.

Nor are his sandals magical, as they often are in FL.

And for those who think that taking an opponent's armor after killing them makes no sense... read The Iliad. Full loots all around in that.

[klemkin]

I can't believe that everyone is still SO hurt by full looting. When I started a full loot meant just that - you'd lost everything except (maybe) the gold you had in the bank. If you didn't put much in the bank you could find yourself begging for a sword on the Miruvhor streets in short order - and its not a great position to be in let me tell you.

These days you're all so spoilt with:

1) The moderate tier

2) Lockers

I mean these things alone pretty much mean I HAVE to full loot you when I can because you're either going to be immune or able to grab an 'allright' set of stuff in about 0.2 seconds and perhaps come looking for me. Depending on class you can 'get by' on non-rare if you're clever. Hell, most melee's can 'get by' on non-rares and one good weapon if they have to.

My RP - well, I think its Myrek who is credited with this quote (ironcially as this is one of his threads since returning:

If I had a RP reason to kill you, I've got a RP reason to full loot you.

It really is that simple.

L-A

In my day, we had to swim 10 km to school in a pool of sharks. You children are spoiled to have boats.

Change is inevitable, and if your attitude can't have change with it, I doubt you will be the one to stop it.

If your vessel is today filling up with water, the same logic would lead you to say... "Let us not find the caulk, let us flay the seamen with stories of my childhood and how rough I had it swimming all of the time - and survived...." -that is until the last seaman abandons the ship. After all, you don't need them, you know how to swimming and wrestling sharks.

You have been kind to me, and I respect you, but it is hard to imagine how such things have conducive effect to topic.

Myrek and yourself, it seems, romanticizing the past times of the game. Looking back to the posts of your in the last few years, you also give advocate to change quite often. I am confused. Which direction should this game go? You cannot have some changes without also having perspectives on others change. There are have many variables that have effect on perspectives and morals inside of this game, in a very out of the character but real way. When they are change, maybe too are the perspectives... and maybe too do other peoples morality. And even if it does not have change with you, perhaps a new breed of people may have this changed in the character reality that you do not instilled in them at their emergence.

I am not telling you to change ways, but trying to give reason to the madness that is mine, enough so that you might give understanding to this "spoiled" individual and others.

[Imoutgoodbye]

No one's romanticizing anything. This game HAS changed. Major changes. No more major changes are required, lest the spirit be lost.

What we need now are minor changes to adjust to our PB size and those will become obsolete once our PB grows. And grow it will. We just need to bring in more people. Don't get me wrong, we have a fair amount, but many of us have erratic playing times and it seems we have less at first glance.

Players like Myrek and L-A are cherished members of this community, representing the polar opposite where players such as you stand, whatever madness any of us may encompass determines where we stand. But where we do not stand is against each other. We all want what's best for the mud. Whether that be in the spirit of RP or PK or whatever, we all want what's best for the core foundation of what this place is. We just have varying ideas and when all these ideas are combined, well, that's where the greatness is derived from.

Now, don't pigeon hole me. I've run ALL the spectrums here. I'll probably never keep one solidified position for what I choose to represent in the spectrum. I advocate RP in its highest form. I also advocate fun to its most venerable form. However, fun is lost without danger and it seems sometimes as though certain players want the danger aspect toned down. Nothing wrong with thinking that way.

However, there's nothing wrong with thinking L-A and Myrek's way, either.

Cool?

EDIT: BTW, that's one big pool.

[myrek]

Ok, I made a mistake. My point got buried in my post. I am not trying to justify my position. I know that I am right. I am also not telling you that this is the way to play. My way is A way to play.

I was only trying to explain my perspective.

Why? So those of you who do not like this style of play can better explain your position. You say that I, and players similar to me, need more RP. I say that I, and players similar to me, have RP. There is a disconnect.

While I appreciate the support I have gotten, shhhhhhh. Let the others speak, please.

What do you mean when you say you want more RP? Please, expound.

L-A, I believe that my original quote was "If I have a reason to kill you, I have a reason to loot you." It probably would have been better as "If I have a reason to full kill you, I have a reason to full loot you." Just a thought.

[jibber]

I personally am tired of being slashed down by characters "in game" asking me or telling me I have no reason to PK them (because I never announced coming or why I wanted them dead). Seems to be a new thing nowadays-- breaking down everyone who attacks you and attackking their motivation in an odd OOC manner. Blah

That said, I agree with everything myrek has said thus far.