wait it does what?

[dragonforger17]

okay last night me and my friends went on a walk to the park. Their were four off us all of us 18 at least. so were at the public park and somone apparently called the police becuase it was after dark. Which is not posted newhere at the park that you cant be their after dark and we have been many times b4 this. So after being their for 30 minutes 3 cops show up. One uses the built in megaphone on his car and ask us to walk over to him. We all do so. They all get out of their cars and tell us to stand their. He starts asking us why were at teh park so late. (only thing im thinking is its seven o clock). Well he starts with me and ask me to walk over to his vehicle and ask me if im alright with being searched. I said yes cause I dont do drugs and had nothing on me. well he shines the light in my eyes and tell me my eyes are glassy and ask me if ive been smoking weed. I say no, he tell me to open my mouth (at this point im like wtf does he need to see inside my mouth) I open my mouth and he asks me to stick out my tongue. He then tell me that my tongue is green and is now accusing me of smoking marijuana. I dont smoke but plentyof my friends do and ive never noticed a green tongue. Im figuring its typical cop bull s**t but anyone please feel free to enlighten me.

[Grim_Reefer]

Thats retarded. In no way is a green tongue a symptom of pot smoking. Hes being a fat *** stupid piggy ****. I ****ing hate stupid *** piece of **** cops that have nothing better to do than harrass some kids walking in a park. Whoever called the cops is a ****ing pussy *** piece of **** too. This pissed me off to read. **** cops.

[mya]

Lol, inexperience.

"ask me if im alright with being searched"

You answer should have been.

"If you have to ask then no. I do not give you my consent to search me."

"He then tell me that my tongue is green and is now accusing me of smoking marijuana."

You should have told him, that he is not a physician to make that assumption.

And that his comment has no legal basis.

A good way to have people stop harassing you, especially with this many witness, is to ask him for his ID number and First/Last Name.

This is what you need to file a complaint.

Most authority will start to treat you with respect at the moment you hint that you are going to fire a complaint.

But then of course i live in Europe. Not USA, so you are probably going to jail because your tongue was green.

By the way you should view this:

"Don't Talk to the Police Even if your Innocent"

And on how to talk if you are busted:

There are other videos on youtube of how to talk to the police.

[corpsestomp]

Grow up, Grim.

A world without police would be awful. Are they supposed to ignore every call they get because it's probably just some kids messing around? What if that specific park has been vandalized in the past? What if people witnessed drug deals or violent attacks in that same park?

Yes, maybe they were being a ridiculous for harassing them, but then again, maybe they have reasons to, since teenagers and young adults are generally known for causing trouble, even if it is harmless.

In short, they were doing their job. Something that contributes to a declining society in a positive way. What is it you do again? Other than, of course, break the law every time you use illegal drugs?

[Croyvern]

Pot does not turn your tongue green? poor dental Hygene maybe, stale cheap cigarettes for sure, but Pot? Ignorance. Next time say hell no you can not seearch me, take the ride down town, call your folks and sue for harassment. I would like to see the officer tell the judge your green tongue gave him probably cause for a search. Likely he would end up suspended if he retained his badge. He played upon your ignorance of your rights, in effect using the "Wizards First Rule" against you. Sad that those who are there to protect and serve stoop to tactics only slightly more legal than conmen. Hope it all worked out.

[inscribed]

Mya speaks the truth.

Educate yourself on your rights when dealing with police officers. Read this book: http://www.amazon.com/You-Police-Boston-T-Party/dp/1888766093/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a

Also, that was one of the most painful posts I've ever read on these forums. Please, learn to use punctuation. Maybe even some grammar, if you're not too busy. uh oh sentence fragment!

[Mali]

Maybe you shouldn't have been smoking pot in a public park...

You had the dreaded green tongue, so the case is closed.

[dragonforger17]

I was like what the hell is all. sometimes the cops around here are just stupid. It took 13 of the motherf***rs just to arrest me and two friends for curfew when we were sixteen. We didnt run or anything we were walking cop pulled up behind said hold right their we did and then more just slowly kept coming because the clearly had nothing else to do but ? a bunch of 16 years out after 11pm.

I was just curious as to the whole green tongue thing I have to meet anyone who has said yes. It cool I think im still able to get harrassment since the two other officers both agreed my eyes were glassy and my tongue was green i ugh got paranoidand went to the hosipital you know cause i dont smoke pot lol. got their and was like my tongue is green and my eyes were glassy since i dont smoke pot I thoght their was something wrong. Me and the doctor laughed for like 20 mintes he filled out a bunch of paperwork and was the one who told me to go file a harrasment suite cause they really dont leave me alone and they never find anything on me.

[Nekky]

My advice is to not be a smart-arse when dealing with the police. If you don't want to consent to a search, tell them so, but be polite about it. Cops will generally be reasonable with you if you don't smart-mouth them. If you talk crap, they will start thinking of ways they can be a pain in your arse.

Also, don't assume that cops are idiots regarding the law. I graduated from law school this time last year and it's amazing how many people (especially law students) think that it's a good idea to start telling the cops what the law is. Cops generally have a very good idea of what the laws are that directly concern them, and what they can/cannot do. I'm not saying you were doing this, it's more of a general advice.

If you do get arrested or taken in, it's nearly always a bad idea to talk to them without a lawyer present. Even if you know you're innocent. People who are innocent sometimes tend to over-exaggerate their innocence because they know they didn't do anything, but this can make you look like you're lying later on. Cops are very good at getting people to say what they want them to say, or getting you to say things you don't mean. It's pretty much their job.

If you get arrested, don't talk to them without a lawyer present. Even if you think you don't need one.

If you get taken in and are not under arrest, you can leave at any time. It's ok to answer questions, but if they start asking you questions you aren't comfortable with you should either ask to leave, or say you're not comfortable answering those questions.

The police cannot arrest you JUST to ask questions. If they place you under arrest, they have to have enough evidence to actually charge you with something right then and there.

My overall advice:

Cops are generally not out there to give you crap for no reason, they are generally trying to do their job.

If they are asking you to do things you don't want to do, don't do it. But be polite about it, and don't start acting arrogantly or smart-mouthing them.

If you think you're being harassed unfairly, I think you should contact a local legal center, or somewhere where you can get free or very cheap legal advice. Just tell them your problem and ask them what you can do about it.

[The-Nameless]

My advice whenever you are 100% clean, and sober and a cop is accusing you of the opposite, tell him to call in a k-9, and to get out his breathalyzer. After the dog finds nothing, and you blow clean tell him thank you, ASK HIM FOR YOUR AFTER DARK CITATION, then do not pay it, but go to court on the date stated on the citation. No cop will go to court for a 50-80 dollar ticket.

[Pali]

In my experience, Nekky's advice is 100% sound.

P.S. If smoking weed turns your tongue green... then I must be doing it wrong.

[Teralis]

I saw the same thing happen on cops last night, dude was pulled over. cop asked him to step out because his eyes looked messed up and when he was out asked him to stick out his tongue. He then stated his tongue was green, I was like hmmm what he do eat it and had leaves on his tongue. I didnt know it was now seemingly a mandatoy statement to see if perhaps you would say oh wow really i didnt know it would do that here here is my stash dude.

[EyeSeeU]

I really don't know what to say... green tongue??? Seriously? You should have said you were eating green apple fun dip and asked him if he wanted any. First of all if your 18 and there wasn't any signs posted to not be there, then you can be there. If none of you were doing anything suspicious when they pulled up, then in all honesty they shouldn't be brow beating you with questions and asking you to come to their cars. I have smoked copious amounts of marijuana and my tongue has never turned green. If it smells like Bull**** then it probably is, especially coming from a cop. Honestly cops are for the most part decent people, but some of them should not be in a uniform.

[dragonforger17]

We figured it out this morning mass amount of coca cola will turn the back of your tongue a dark green. damn it i should stop drinking it dont wont people thinking i smoke weed. lol. Also the reason the cop said it was so supicous was because of the fact that were in college and it was a playground on a saturday night. Guess we were your average marijuana smoking, green fun dip eating suspects. lol.

[dragonforger17]

My advice whenever you are 100% clean' date=' and sober and a cop is accusing you of the opposite, tell him to call in a k-9, and to get out his breathalyzer. After the dog finds nothing, and you blow clean tell him thank you, ASK HIM FOR YOUR AFTER DARK CITATION, then do not pay it, but go to court on the date stated on the citation. No cop will go to court for a 50-80 dollar ticket.[/quote']

They will in my town. lol. Those incidents were different times. The after dark happened when i was sixteen and thats all they had. The most recent was this playgorund thing were we were all 18.

oh and nekky I dontt get smart with them. I do my best to be plite but they really do try and push it. One time I pulled up to a check point at 12 o clock at night on my way home from work and I pulled up and said "how is it going guys" just kinda casually talk to them as i would nebody else. Wrong thing to do at this point since i didnt refer to the officer only a year older then me as officer or sir he accused me of being disrespectful and a search and a breathlyzer later I went home.

[Croyvern]

For the record. I was homeless at eighteen and often slept in the park. Back in 1990 I was informed that all public parks in the state of Oklahoma were closed to the public after sundown and before sun up. Excluding camping areas where you would subsequently be asked for your camp ground receipt by the park rangers. So the officers were doing there job. This law came about do to people actually getting injured playing after dark, these folks tried to sue the state claiming there should be fences around the public parks to prevent such tragic accidents. However, that is no excuse for harassing you, lying to you, and trying to trick you into admit wrong doing. I would also add that the worst trouble I ever got into was do to actually striking an officer in the park after dark. Hey, when your homeless and asleep and someone grabs you violently waking you up, you COME UP SWINGING! Three days in county not on charges of assaulting an officer but for vagrancy. The officers said I should have found somewhere to live. The judge through the case out and had an officer drive me to the city limits where he parked and watched to be sure I did not walk back into town.... Good Times.

[Grim_Reefer]

Grow up, Grim.

A world without police would be awful. Are they supposed to ignore every call they get because it's probably just some kids messing around? What if that specific park has been vandalized in the past? What if people witnessed drug deals or violent attacks in that same park?

Yes, maybe they were being a ridiculous for harassing them, but then again, maybe they have reasons to, since teenagers and young adults are generally known for causing trouble, even if it is harmless.

In short, they were doing their job. Something that contributes to a declining society in a positive way. What is it you do again? Other than, of course, break the law every time you use illegal drugs?

Have you seen the latest generation of children? I wish there weren't cops so that natural selection could be natural again and useless idiots wouldn't be breeding so rampantly. America has failed as a country.

[Croyvern]

Have you seen the latest generation of children? I wish there weren't cops so that natural selection could be natural again and useless idiots wouldn't be breeding so rampantly. America has failed as a country.

I agree whole heartedly. Stupid people should not breed. If you scored less than 500's on the SAT's no kids for you! If you have ever been arrested for having a green tongue the cop should be neutered.

Grim for President! More then one vote going his way.

[Mali]

There is a lot more than intelligence that goes into the equation of whether an individual is creating problems for people or wrecking havoc in life. Some might even say that as intelligence goes up, the capacity for doing damage on a wide scale also goes up.

In any case, according to the World Health Organization, reproductive health is:

A state of physical, mental, and social well-being in all matters relating to the reproductive system at all stages of life. Reproductive health implies that people are able to have a satisfying and safe sex life and that they have the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when, and how often to do so. Implicit in this is the right of men and women to be informed and to have access to safe, effective, affordable, and acceptable methods of family planning of their choice, and the right to appropriate health-care services that enable women to safely go through pregnancy and childbirth.

Unless you decide that you want to live in an extremely fascist environment, you will agree that reproductive health, especially the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when, and how often to do so is a human right and should not be determined or regulated by external factors such as physical condition, disability, intelligence, SAT scores, policy, orientation, croyvern, etc.

[inscribed]

Unless you decide that you want to live in an extremely fascist environment, you will agree that reproductive health, especially the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when, and how often to do so is a human right and should not be determined or regulated by external factors such as physical condition, disability, intelligence, SAT scores, policy, orientation, croyvern, etc.

I don't think many will argue that. I also don't think I or anyone else should have to be responsible (financially or otherwise) when other people exercise this right and decide poorly.

[jibber]

... the California Highway Patrol Driving Under the Influence Enforcement Manual identifies "green tongue" as a sign of cannabis influence. It is also identified as a possible indicator of cannabis use by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's Drug Evaluation and Classification Training Program.

The smoke itself does not turn your tongue green, so perhaps the idea is that, for instance, if you are smoking from a joint some amount of unburnt cannabis may find its way into your mouth and the chlorophyll found therein may stain your tongue. Then a green tongue may be a sign of smoking a joint, or drinking green tea or eating celery.

After reading on the thread I decided to do a bit of research. Funnily enough I was watching cops last night and a cop told a kid that he had a green tongue so therefore he had been driving under the influence. (Watch it on Hulu). While normally I would think nothing of it, after seeing the thread, like I said, I looked it up, and that's one of the articles I've found among many who have completely debunked the idea.

How.. lame.

[Pali]

*shakes head* I don't care how much you pull through on a joint - your tongue is not turning green.

Gotta love ignorance, eh?

[Nekky]

I agree that the advice I gave is not always true, and that some cops are going to be aggressive punks to you no matter how polite you are. If you are being harassed repeatedly, I think you should go to seek free legal advice.

I don't know about the U.S but in Australia there are places called community legal centers. I work at one right now, it's on the campus of my University. Basically they are funded by the government, and the staff is paid by the government. All the advice and work they do for clients is free to the client. They give legal advice on any issue, ranging from how to contest a parking ticket to how to write contracts and protect intellectual property rights.

There are a lot of people out there who act like they know what they're talking about, and are in positions of authority (be it a police officer or a guy working in a store) who try to bully or con you out of your legal rights.

For example:

A good friend of my brother's had a neighbour's tree blow down in a storm and fall into his back yard where it crushed his caravan. He wrote letters to his neighbour asking them to replace it, but they talked fast and had him believing that because it was blown over in a storm it wasn't actually their responsibility. He was about to pay for the caravan himself, and it was a pure fluke that I heard him and my brother talking about it and got him to contact a local legal center. They helped him write letters to the neighbours saying the right thing, and within 2 weeks they had paid for the damage.

My brother bought a Nokia mobile phone that stopped working. He went in to the store where he bought it and asked for a refund. The pushy manager of the store said "We just sell the phones, we don't make the phones. It's not our problem if it breaks." My brother didn't know any better and took their word, though he was annoyed about it. He was complaining to me about it and I went in with him to speak to the manager. I said that they were responsible because they had a contract with my brother to provide goods, and the phone was screwed so it was in breach of that contract. I said I had already called the Department of Fair Trading and was prepared to go to local court over the issue. We left with a new phone.

Long story, I know. But the point is, if someone is giving you crap - don't always believe that they know what they are talking about. I'm not saying you should argue with the cops right there in the street - that is often a bad idea. But you should try and get legal advice if you can. You would be surprised how many people are doing things that they have no right to do and getting away with it because their 'victims' are ignorant of their rights.

[L-A]

As several people have said - don't be a jerk to police. Be polite, be respectful - but don't let talk you into something you don't want to do. If the police truly want you to do it they can compel you under certain circumstances ie you have committed an offense.

I ride a motorcycle - and as most riders know, the police can be downright unfriendly to those on two wheels. A good friend of mine, after getting stopped, had the officer walk up to him with an obvious attitude. The easiest way to have the officer put his manners back in? - my friend calmly took out his mobile phone from his pocket and said:

"Good morning officer. I'm going to record our conversation on my mobile for my records. What can I do for you?"

That police officer suddenly became a model of politeness to the public.

You can ask for an officers identification etc too and they must provide it. I'm pretty sure they don't have to give you a pen and paper to write it down, but if you have that take a note. Most officers realise that should anything happen you now do have everything you need to file a complaint - and this usually results in all being done the correct way. No brow beating. No fast talking by a blue clad authority figure. Being overly aggressive, forceful and intimidating is what SOME (not all) police do. Bullies wearing blue are still bullies - and like all bullies when stood up to they don't have a great deal of anything to back them up.

That all being said - police do a tough job and have to deal with a lot of scumbags in their line of work. Being direct and assertive is simply a form of self defense.

L-A

[mya]

Lol, the joys of living in Socialist Europe.

We even have 15 days experience period, in which we can break contracts, (after signing).

"Good morning officer. I'm going to record our conversation on my mobile for my records. What can I do for you?"

But on other hand, you cant tape conversation without the consent of the people involved. If you do not get it, it's void in court.