Saeronis, A real goodbye

[The-Nameless]

Saeronis, the elven warrior hehe. How can I begin to express the hate I experienced from those flails, I rarely duel wielded them too. But to each his own. After playing Thrug, and Saeronis, Thrug was at least 10x stronger. Saeronis just had nearly guaranteed hits. But what people are failing to tell you is that those guaranteed hits are hits-devastates. By no means is it overpowering. Reaver fg flail warrior was MUCH stronger.

I really did not have a whole lot of friends, as I was playing a nearly emo elf. I hated elves for their dependancy on magic, I hated the other races for their variations of magic. It just made me sick. I wanted elves to be physical once more. Not pretty painted mages. that was my entire goal was to lead the elven nations back to prosperity. Sadly it just never came to fruition. I got frustrated often, but I feel alot of it was things I saw in game. I had been using autosneak in a duel, walked in on some clanmates popping off about my combat tactics when they did not realize I was in the room. That right there really just makes you feel worthless. I mean I was an ELF!!!!! Hehe. Its good times, and all, but I must recommend this to the more versed players in the realm. It is alot more tactics, and skill that wins than those flails.

Saarsik - You, and Svenik, are the ONLY two people who never said anything about my use of the Mindflayers. For that I really thank you. You of all people in the cabal I assumed we would have violent animosity towards each other. While we where not exactly best friends, you could be counted on as an honorable ally who would only attack when it was on "fair" terms.

Svenik - Thank you very much for the chance you took by allowing me into cabal. Sorry for the disappointment. And I really wish to clarify the little blowup I had after our first duel was 100% in character. That was in no way shape or form me going OOC. I wanted you to see how dedicated Saeronis was to the ways of Honored Combat. How little everything besides honor means. Sadly a lack of honor is what ended Saeronis' life (in his late opinion.

Everyone else - 90% of you hated me, the rest of you took me on trips to get random gear because I was guaranteed damage output. No idea how to feel about it personally. I wanted so badly for people to follow my ideas of "elven rebirth" but it never took. I wish all of you who tried ( ALOT of the elf/half-elf pallies where great to be around) the best of luck, and to all of those who did not try I only ask that you think about the reasons why your char would do what they do, not you as a player. Remember how Alignment and Ethos should affect you. Most importantly remember the people you are killing, looting, talking to, subjugating, robbing blind are players. As a player your gonna respond much better to having a reason behind motives than just a quiet death.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Getting closer....personally, I think you could use some more cool down time. I'd know.

[mya]

I think you somehow missed the point of those flails.

To have around 30 Hitroll and then invest heavily into Dam Roll.

Then you use your overwelming number of attacks to expand your damage.

With things like Flee/Murder.

Perhaps i did not observe you enough, and got this wrong. But this is my Analise.

By the way, what was your Hit/Dam roll ?

[The-Nameless]

30/30 with 50 in saves.

[f0xx]

After playing Thrug' date=' and Saeronis, Thrug was at least 10x stronger. Saeronis just had nearly guaranteed hits. But what people are failing to tell you is that those guaranteed hits are hits-devastates. By no means is it overpowering. Reaver fg flail warrior was MUCH stronger.[/quote']

I'll bite. 6-8 devastes is much more than 2 dismembers (And Thrug was rarely getting either two, or dismembers). I would have liked to see one of Mya's clerics against such kind of damage output.

[mya]

Against his elf Warrior ?

Surprise. A Mindflayer of my own. Steel Wall. A AC shield. Heavy Heavy AC. Talking about 400-500. Or Insane Damrol ... 70.

Tatics involve probably Dispel. Water rooms, air rooms, locked doors to create healing space.

Or Flee,Murders. With a charmed pet to serve as meatshield, perhaps a bashing one.

Dirt disarm, or his warrior lore would probably be the worst problem.

30/30 is to low.

My Dwarven Cleric could pull better than you.

[f0xx]

Mya mya....your tactics work great on theory

[mya]

If you say so...

[Lytholm]

Take your discussion of weapon balance elsewhere if you don't mind - this is a goodbye thread.

Saeronis - I wish you'd stayed longer. You were probably always going to cop flak over those flails but I was interested to see a longer term character using them.

I'd offer the following advice for all players: Don't let what other players say get to you. If you're really doing it wrong the IMMs will let you know.

Cheers,

Lytholm.

[Bert]

I don't know about anyone else, but I would question a player that builds their character solely around a single weapon. Did you do that? Dunno, only you can answer that.

I'm having a similar issue with my current character. If I can use skill X I usually win, even with my newb tactics. If I can't use skill X I usually lose. That is dumb, and its causing me to lose interest fast. I'll probably start forcing myself to stop using it or use it only when I'd get annihilated otherwise to help even the field.

Answer this question honestly... If you held any other flail in the game do you think you would have done as well? If you can answer yes, then who cares what people say or think. You could have done this in game as well to shut people up. Drop the mindflayer, sac it in front of their face and kick their a$$ with some other flail. I would have had mad respect for you had you done something like that.

Nevertheless, I'm sorry to see you go. And as someone who complained about those flails I feel badly that I may have contributed to what led you to delete. For that I apologize profusely.

[killalou]

I feel your pain...having played a recent elven warrior at 50 things were tough. I also hated having to rely on two mindflayers to be decent...I mean a warrior strength is access to all weapons. Coupled with low str, and the iron vuln they really get shafted in the melee department.

[Imoutgoodbye]

I strongly recommend a halfling warrior for your next project.

[mya]

Let me get this right ?

You deleted because of the feed back of other people on your flails ?

Or because:

You hated using those flails.

[The-Nameless]

I was not built solely around mindflayer. There where many times I did not use it at all. Just a good portion of thge time my victory would lay in outdamaging (rangers, elf master blm, and giant wars) so it was needed. M ost of the time my primary weapons was a mithril sabre, or chain of cerberus. I did use the flail, but it was not the basis of my character. My design was gladiator high dex war.

[The-Nameless]

To prevent this from becoming a flame, I will not post the actual reason I deleted. If the person involved wants to volunteer what happened (you know who you are) that is fine. I am not gonna bring it here.

[Anume]

You don't really need - 50 saves as a no vuln race. Invest more in hit dam next time if you have no vuln.

I'd have liked to see how you do with those flails as WM Vet or T. Would have been interesting. Last one whom I saw using them regularly was Elshan I think.

[The-Nameless]

Yea, I really wanted to see what forms did with this flail honestly (NOT ONLY THE FLAIL THOUGH) because of it's interesting properties.

Tolo also dispelled me first shot at -50 (-24 spell, -30 mental)

[Warmongrel]

Hrmm, I just saw this thread. Dissapointing, in character I had my....mixed feelings about Saeronis, but at the same time, in character my character has a profound "love" towards all the warmasters, you just have to win over the mixed feelings over time. Which most seem to do well. And you were getting there, just didn't have enough interaction with you at the time. And really, like Lytholm said, don't let what other characters say influence your actions, especially when it comes to deleting. If those flails were really THAT much to do with your victory, you would have trounced me too I thought you were doing well, the only people those flails seemed to help against were other warriors, since you would tend to get more hits against them than they could against you. Then again I didn't see most of the other fights, but what is a perk to your race/align/class if you don't use it? Just a waste I say. I don't think in any way shape or form your character, or the flails were Over Powered, so no harm in using them to their fullest. I agree though that you should have ditched the saves, especially with our currenty enemy base, and gone for hit/dam to maximize the effect of the flails.

As per our IG spat after our first duel, I knew it was in character, and I think you played it out well. Svenik has quite the sense of humor, and I expect most first interactions to take it the wrong way. You stuck to your guns though, and that instance DID show me you had the HONOR down, and weren't just after the shinies. Anyway, like I said, dissapointing to see you go, I was also very interested in seeing how you would do with those things at V or T, especially considering a few perks you would have gotten along the way. Good luck on your next project, make a Barbarian, I'm getting surrounded by Gladiators that are gonna eventually coup me!

[Warmongrel]

Yea, I really wanted to see what forms did with this flail honestly (NOT ONLY THE FLAIL THOUGH) because of it's interesting properties.

Tolo also dispelled me first shot at -50 (-24 spell, -30 mental)

Yes, I was interested to see if the form itself would apply to the same properties. Would have been very Very interesting.

[Nekky]

Melee classes and the mindflayer:

The mindflayers can be disarmed, sacced, dropped, they're not socketable, and they're not naturally burnproof. That means pretty much every melee/hybrid/rogue class in the game can disarm or cleave them. They also have a low average damage.

Mages and the mindflayer:

The mindflayers are magic damage. Therefore invokers can put up mana shield. Unlike all the other defenses, battlemage shields and blades CAN parry the mindflayer.

So what about communers?

Communers are the most unkillable things in the mud anyway. Drink a cup of concrete.

re: Saeronis. Sorry to see you go, we had some good duels and I think some of them proved that the mindflayer was not the instant key to victory some people are making it out to be.

[KRins]

Sigh...Saeronis was my homie there for a while. Now, I'm sad because we weren't able to get together more often. Real life was dominating my face. Honestly though, keep trucking hombre. There is no reason to take flak from ANYONE in game. EVERYONE is looking for an angle to become unbeatable. There is NOTHING overpowered about a low average damage, disarmable, nosocket flail...Oh you can't defense it? Then GET IT OUT OF HIS HANDS. He's a warrior...attrition him. Christ...I hate when sour grapes ruins a good character...

[L-A]

There is no reason to take flak from ANYONE in game. EVERYONE is looking for an angle to become unbeatable.

This. How many players do you see building 'power' combo's and sitting there? Hell, I've even seen power combo's well eq'd STILL too scared to really go for it.

Don't listen to the hater's mate. No matter WHAT you play people will complain if they get beaten. Unlucky for them.

I didn't get a chance to face you but the confrontation seemed iminet. A shame, I did want to see how I would fare vs the Mindflayers.

L-A

[jibber]

Luurol did very well, I thought.. and he stuck it out without depending on two weapons such as the mindflayers. Although, I did get a couple of gladiator forms toned because of my extensive use of them... Darn.

[Anume]

That's just because you used them differently than anyone else before. Staff wasn't aware it could be done that way till you did. So we put a stop to that

[The-Nameless]

And please I would like to RE clarify I only ever duel wielded them vs elf master blms. I used mithril sabre or chain of cerberus the most in actual pks.

I really dislike it being stated that I built this char solely for mindflayers. I had just finished the lowest dex warrior possible, and figured I wanted to see what I high dex war did with it. It happened there was a decent flail available to elves, a high dex race. Combine that with gladiator abilities was my plan. Not find a way to break those damn flails.