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As I try to become a better Pker/Rper to go alone with all the knowledge I have of the lands.. All I seem to notice is how trashy alot of the senior members have become. It seems they are setting a standard for the newer players to be just as trashy if they wanna survive and thats just nutty. I am in no way whinning but I am just saying though you cannot always play this game fair, that does not mean you cannot have some honor in your unfairness..:cool:

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As I try to become a better Pker/Rper to go alone with all the knowledge I have of the lands.. All I seem to notice is how trashy alot of the senior members have become. It seems they are setting a standard for the newer players to be just as trashy if they wanna survive and thats just nutty. I am in no way whinning but I am just saying though you cannot always play this game fair' date=' that does not mean you cannot have some honor in your unfairness..:cool:[/quote']

you CAN always play this game fair. If someone is doing something unfair take it to prayer. Don't let other people lower your standards for yourself. I used to think that same thing, but lately i have done everything i can to protect the sanctity of what the game was meant to be and i know those people will end up quitting because they can only cheat for so long.

edt: please do not leave because of trashy players, I made that mistake once i let it get into my core and eat me alive. They will never be as good as you if you keep trying and keep learning. The majority of the players are not like this. I'm pretty sure everyone here already knows who i play in game you can contact me at any point in game to learn more. I don't know as much as some of the hardcore vets but i can help in alot of ways. Nomatter what my characters rp is i can ALWAYS find a way to make my character find a way to help people learn.

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There are cabals (cough cough cough Herald cough cough) that give you a PK shield (for the most part). Do one of those cabals and put PK on the back burner. There's also a moderate tier, so do that as well.

Lately, I've had people call ME trashy because I killed them, (fairly might I add, me versus them) and because I took a bit more than usual because I either had nothing, or needed what they wore than what I wore. I will even go as far to say that I've been cursed out far more often lately then my whole FL career because people think equipment and PK is the most personal aspect of this game.

I mean, a long time ago (not so long ago), I was just like that, but I didn't go OOC. I veiled OOC, sure, but didn't go as far as that. Now, after many years of trying very hard not to flip, I usually just quit, not say a word to my PKer, or try to RP with them afterward. I gotta say it really puts my stress level way below what it used to be! :)

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alldaymuddin' date=' become an rp guru. The fates compel thee.[/quote']

Was making a herald, died and lost two con in stupid situations trying to get from 39 to pinn, only made it to 41 then was shot while hunting by someone and fled into them, long story short.. they took most of my eq.. all and all a bad day..

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Don't leave man - I do hear you though.

If you think about learning PK you're not great at the start. So you do what you have to - kill people, cheer, take their stuff, give no quarter. Then you start to get good - and (from my experience) you can get pretty ruthless with your new found skills and experience. Anyone who wants a fight can have one - and if they lose they can go re'equip too. That's how I learnt - from being on both sides.

At some point (well, for some of us...) you realise that trashing every newbie ISN'T always the way to go. Even after I was wasted by true Veteran's and Elites in 1.0 if I asked they assisted with gem's of veiled advice (even after full loots). Fight them again and show progress and they would even find a way to say so. So you start to try to help others like you were helped. Of course, these guys are getting good and hit their ruthless stage, perhaps tag their teacher and you get looted and laughed at.

Some players are just getting there so let them have their fun. TBH - I've been thinking of going back to my rather ruthless old PK self to combat it because its pretty vicious at times. I'm also a lot rustier than I used to be so perhaps a slip back into the 'ruthless' type learning curve is what I'm going to need to get going again...

There are other issues in the PK culture that I see with a lot of players (not all, but several) but that's not a story for this thread.

L-A

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Hahaha

I'm not that bad at PK, but I need to think up strategies like running someone to the shadow grove before thunder clapping with my druid where I can sneak around and they have to not only scan directions and check exits but figure out which direction will allow them to go which way.. Things of that nature..

Just tired of it seeming like the gayest things happen to me and only me.. Like when I die, I seem to die on every char I get on there after in other gay ways..

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Honestly Jibber' date=' the things you have done to me over the years, I should have quit long ago.. :([/quote']

If you're talking about just recently, such as with a few characters with my few recent ones, I have done a few things, but I would do them again if I had the chance. It depends on my character, not me, as to what I will do to any other character if the situation arises. A prime example would be Nyra & Svenik, and then Rhahernrt & Svenik. Two totally different characters with the same people behind them, RPing quite differently.

I seem to have this issue with a few good friends lately too (on aim.. which I need to stray away from, even though I only have like 3 people I talk to on there) and it makes me believe that just because I talk to them on AIM we have to be buddy buddy in game. So once again, the IMMs are quite right at telling us AIM is nothing but trouble most of the time. :(

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Was making a herald' date=' died and lost two con in stupid situations trying to get from 39 to pinn, only made it to 41 then was shot while hunting by someone and fled into them, long story short.. they took most of my eq.. all and all a bad day..[/quote']

You would gain my respect by actually continuing to plod through the flak and making something out of frustration. It also builds your personal character as well. Oh and btw, since when did Heralds need to worry about their con? :D

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Man you've powered through several characters to condeath, for that you've got my respect. I feel the same way sometimes when I'm killed in a trashy manner, no RP just straight kill, loot, ignore. It's happened, and will happen again that I'm sure of. The only thing that reaaaaally bothers me, is when I play a class/combo that would be considered a horrible combo, play it out to the best to my ability - and get crapped on by a drow cleric, then they laugh it off and speak about how tough they are. I mean.. come'on, I'm a gnome warrior give me a break.

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gnome warriors aren't as bad as they once were. One practice and you're at 75%, plus the heavy con which leaves for some wishing you had nothing more. Only bad thing is the mental vuln (which can be taken care of). Strength is nice, dex is nice.. what more could you ask for?

Thank god for no more blunt vuln.

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Ohh they don't get destroyed by smashes? Like the gnome that has the key to the mists? Hrmm, gnome berserker, here I come!.....;)

Waliy, I gave you life (mud), and I can take that life away! Actually, no, no I couldn't take it away, and neither could you. You know as well as I do, there's nothing anyone can do in one days, or one week, or one months time that would keep you away from here for good. ;) You just love the opportunity to see me from 2,000 miles away all up close and personal, and you'll never give it up!!!!

:) You've gotten MUCH better over the last couple years, so just keep it up.. Remember, as you're getting better so are the people that you learned how to play from. And I went through my 4 days straight without a nap or a meal on the game, so now it's your turn. ;) You'll catch up, or surpass in no time!

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Alldaymuddin, I happen to know both of your major characters at the moment (I wont mention names, but if you think I am mistaken you can always PM me) and I must say, you do have a pretty big mouth ingame. Your characters are quite arrogant, couple that with your not-so-good PK skills, your constant bragging and your often insults, and you might find why people treat your characters trashy. Even when you are naked and/or asking someone for a favour, you still have this typical way of talking which suggests you are ordering. Even though, OOC I know you are not ordering and asking for a favour, I cannot act accordingly especially when others see our conversation ESPECIALY when we are in an evil only cabal in which members are supposed to struggle for power and betray one another in a moment of weakness.

This is not intended to be an insult, but an advice. I would have PMed you with certain advices about your ingame behaviour, but I did not wish to reveal my character/s.

You cannot treat others (especially evils) which are stronger than you as your servants and expect them to be your friends.

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A while ago, the first time I decided to quit because I kept getting so-called "trash killed" someone told me something

"Tired of getting killed, eh Frosty?"

"Yeah man, it's fukkin lame."

"Roll a power combo and do it yourself then."

TADA!

Roll something vicious, i dunno, like a fire warrior, and just mow people over for a while.

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Heh, thanks guys! And Gals! And those inbetween!

I will not be leaving as I had wanted to but I will be taking a look at the things I have heard/begun to notice. I am sorry if I made anyone feel any turmoil for the things they have done or helped do to my chars, honestly it doesnt really hurt until the first time you get really gayed and it happend to me with two of my three main yesterday.. Two of the three will be gone and I cannot post the score for the one but Erfanol was pretty healthy still and alot was mastered.. Good show to all whom I interacted with.. Anister, I just could not seem to finish you, I would get soo close but.. invokers vs. bmg.. bleh.. Grush I am sorry man you are on your own, I wish I coulda done more for you before this..

Cjarlie, I wish I coulda been in a different mind state and ready to face you instead of the other guy, that mighta been fun.. Opressant! Fighting you was fun, it was back and forth for the longest, now that I am gone from watcher you can torment the towns with your laws.. Everyone that helped me with the things I needed IG.. Thank you, and know this I will have another Bmg soon, they are actually fun! So BEEFY when you get the swing of things, thats why I wanted my old bmg mentors for pointers.. Good luck everyone..:P The next is around the corner.

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People, get it into your head that there is a VAST difference between "trashy" behavior and actually rping an evil. A char does not have to be honerable as in always just fighting you when you are at 100% and prepared or expecting you. If you want that, challenge a WM. I've seen a Syndi get another Syndi get to fight a WM in a challenge then walk in and coup the kneeling Syndi. Syndi 1 was evil, so that is perfectly fine from a rp perspective. Sure it sucks if you are on the receiving end, but it is not "trashy" behavior. If a char however ONLY kills people that are naked, non pkers (Herald ;) ) or people he has a vast rank advantage on, people he perfectly well knows are very hurt from someone else, etc. and does not fight harder battles, that I would call trashy (And such a char would be spoken to.).

An evil manipulating, deceiving, betraying is not trashy behavior but can be very good and ok rp. Do not blame others if you are not ready for them or fall for their traps.

~ The above is not solely aimed at anyone who posted in this thread but in general, I've heard a lot of people call trash lately were it was not really appropriate.

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