Please

[Sandbox]

When you know how to get an item, or find a place, or make something special. Please share it with newer players when they ask you to share. Nothing is more upsetting than discovering a cool new thing and someone outright refuses to teach you.

[Anume]

They might not know.

It might go against their rp or the interest of their character to tell you.

Just ask someone else. Eventually you'll run into someone who will tell you.

[Sandbox]

They might not know.

It might go against their rp or the interest of their character to tell you.

Just ask someone else. Eventually you'll run into someone who will tell you.

oh this person knew alright, I hope it was an RP reason i cant really rule that out. information hording is just so freaking annoying.

[Anume]

Also keep in mind that even though the PLAYER might now, the character not necessarily does know something. Let's say someone played an invoker and plays a ninja now. Why would the ninja know anything about mana charge to give you tips? That would be ooc really, unless the ninja had "learned" this from another mage, and even then, why would it interest the ninja in the first place?

[Sandbox]

Also keep in mind that even though the PLAYER might now' date=' the character not necessarily does know something. Let's say someone played an invoker and plays a ninja now. Why would the ninja know anything about mana charge to give you tips? That would be ooc really, unless the ninja had "learned" this from another mage, and even then, why would it interest the ninja in the first place?[/quote']

very valid points. is there any way to ask immortals or get some sort of quest to figure it out if nobody knows? I'd hate to wait another 6 months to a year to figure it out.

[f0xx]

Also keep in mind that even though the PLAYER might now' date=' the character not necessarily does know something. Let's say someone played an invoker and plays a ninja now. Why would the ninja know anything about mana charge to give you tips? That would be ooc really, unless the ninja had "learned" this from another mage, and even then, why would it interest the ninja in the first place?[/quote']

Not only that, but asking a character to give you info which can directly turn the tide when you battle him, and expecting to recieve a reply, is rather silly

Especially when you both know there is a huge possibility to battle in future.

"Hey Mr. feral ranger, where can I get this nice fire lance from?"

[Warmongrel]

Not only that, but asking a character to give you info which can directly turn the tide when you battle him, and expecting to recieve a reply, is rather silly

Especially when you both know there is a huge possibility to battle in future.

"Hey Mr. feral ranger, where can I get this nice fire lance from?"

Exactly, especially if it took that someone figuring it out to find out. And that nifty little thing he found out how to do would be the death of him if you knew how to do it. Yet knowing how to do it doesn't help him one bit against you.

I would think it would be bad rp to hand out info to possible enemies on how to beat me up better.

[mya]

If you cannot find someone on game to give you a clue.

Send Aulian a pm. He can probably hook you up with a nice Mob death from trying to get the said item.

[ajwetton]

While it may be in their RP thats the exact attitude that kills new player intrest, we on the forums say oh go ask in game we can't divulge it here, and when therse only 7 people on at a time none of which are your class but you can't tell me on forums and they don't help in game then people end up sayin **** it i'll go where people seem to not be dicks. RP is good, getting people to stay but helping them out is better.

[jibber]

If you need help, or need to ask a question, ask me via PM. Just know, it's far more entertaining and interesting to figure it out in game, and gives you a nice, good, feeling inside.

[Croyvern]

pray to the god of milk, he knows everything! jk

[L-A]

I won't tell you outright but I will give you a hint or two

Don't cry to me if that's no enough though: I'm of the firm belief that nothing should just be 'given' over. If you have to do at least some work to find it you'll be a better player for it.

L-A

PS - on the other hand, you can make a character with locate item, take the adventurer perk and just tear to lvl and locate it.

Conversly, you can take a human warrior adventurer to lvl 50 in next to no time and lore the item (if you can touch it) and find out where it came from.

[f0xx]

then people end up sayin **** it i'll go where people seem to not be dicks.

Please please, I have played A LOT of browser based games with a lot of players. Show me one game that doesn't have veteran players who act as "dicks"? There is no such.

I don't seem to like the attitude, "You tell me what I want to know, or I will leave". We will be better of without such people to start with, if you ask me.

That being said, I've helped a lot of new players, just as I've been helped by others back when I was inexperienced. I just don't like the fact that some of them think we are *oblidged* to tell them everything.

[Nomak]

Sandbox PM me I will tell you whatever you wish.Leave this greedy bastards

[Sandbox]

I won't tell you outright but I will give you a hint or two

this is always a fun way to figure things out.

[Kyzarius]

You cant discount ethos and align. If an elf comes up to one of my drows and asks me to help them find something I will kill them...

[ajwetton]

I don't seem to like the attitude, "You tell me what I want to know, or I will leave". We will be better of without such people to start with, if you ask me.

Thats taking my statement to an extreme and you know it foxx quit being your usual overly-dramatic self, this pbase especially vs tons of games and muds i've seen is fantastic about saying ask in game and then just killing the newbs instead of helping them. and taking away the newb channel after lvl 10 doesn't help either, Did you really know all you needed to about this game by that point? And usually theres only one person i know of in the academy on and thats periodical at best. So no we don't have alot of help for new people its discourage and frustating at best. I'm not talking about game specifics where your to the point your figuring out game mechanics of abilities to further your pk. i'm talking about basic help.

[Sandbox]

for the most part people have been very willing to help its just the really strong stuff you have to try hard to get out of them, but i guess they probably had to go through hell to get it too, so it is what it is.

edit: don't get me wrong i'm not trying to condemn anyone here, just trying to level out the playing field a bit.

[Grim_Reefer]

I've said this before, if any of you noobs need to know ANYTHING you can PM me and I will help you out. I don't play this game anymore, I just read the forums and am here to give out all kinds of information to those who seek it.

[Teralis]

Cmon Grim you need to come back and roll a nice fat.................thief or something. You know you want to ........spark it up.........cmon.... soccumb to the ecstacy of the Fl. Face your addiction...... cmon peer pressure........

You can do it.................

[Warmongrel]

Thats taking my statement to an extreme and you know it foxx quit being your usual overly-dramatic self' date=' this pbase especially vs tons of games and muds i've seen is fantastic about saying ask in game and then just killing the newbs instead of helping them. and taking away the newb channel after lvl 10 doesn't help either, Did you really know all you needed to about this game by that point? And usually theres only one person i know of in the academy on and thats periodical at best. So no we don't have alot of help for new people its discourage and frustating at best. I'm not talking about game specifics where your to the point your figuring out game mechanics of abilities to further your pk. i'm talking about basic help.[/quote']

Really? You have had that much experience with people just killing you when you are asking for help for something? At one point or another i've known most of the people that play here on aim or in real life, and I just find that hard to believe. I've seen, and personally helped out TONS of newbs with any and all basic inquiry type things. Now, you ask me something that's a quest, or specific cabal info that only someone in that cabal at that rank would know, then your sol, you'll have to wait and see. Eventually you will get there I tell them. But as far as basic info, like sandbox just mentioned above, I've never met anyone in game or out here that is THAT cold blooded that will tell you "Sure, come to central square in val miran and I'll show you how to get to your guild." then just kills you instead. Reason being, Viri banned most of those types of players

[klemkin]

I think it is very silly to assume peoples attitudes to questions will not change situationally. I know that if Edward the New Guy asks me a question after I've been killed, or while I hunt someone... I don't think they will have the same response as after I completed a difficult task and am extremely happy.

It is both the nature of the player, and also serves as RP if you think about it.

Sometimes, you ask the wrong person or people at the wrong time.

[Warmongrel]

Yes, that can and will happen. But if one person isn't helpful at that moment, ask another. Also, asking Syndicates and Nexus characters for help as a new player because you don't understand something probably wont get QUITE as much help as asking a Knight, Tribunal, or Herald.

I do think this though, There REALLY should be an option to keep newbie chat at the time that it would normally go away. That way, someones first second third characters can have a place in game to really ask those questions that they can't ask outside newbie chat without breaking rp. I think that would be very hellpful for new players. AND, I think all Cabal Elders, and possibly even Trusted members should have the option to turn newbie chat on, to help new players out. Leaders should be forced to do so I think.

[Lytholm]

Note the following:

Back in 1.0 a newbie (no it wasn't me) asked for help from someone. This 'more experienced player' took them down to Myran Dammel and lock them in with Mhordren (its a lvl 50 undead wight for those who don't know). Yes, the newbie died.

Unlucky for this 'experienced' player an Immortal was watching. That 'experienced player' did in fact get slayed.

You'd all do well to understand there will be NO persecuting of newbies. If I think you're harrassing a newbie I will harass you. No Aulian, not in the way you want to be harassed

That being said you don't have to give info out if you don't want to - though I doubt you all just 'figured it out' on your own. I have been assisted by some of the best in the business at times.

Sandbox: Just ask EVERYONE you group with. Someone is bound to know - even if they won't take you there. Write down where you want to go with your next large group and ask them to take you. Its how most of us learnt. Also, seek out those in cabals when you're lvl 50. Contrary to popular belief many caballed players aren't that hard to get along with in game. Besides, they are ALWAYS looking for a willing group mate to get themselves eq'd for cabal wars and such. You'll find that one hand washes the other in this way.... ;)

Lytholm.

PS - as for those of you who just 'give out' the information via PM let me be VERY clear: If you can't post it on the open forum you are NOT to give it out via PM. Those of you going against the spirit of the game (and I don't want some long winded explanations: If I'd take it off the open forum you are doing the wrong thing. PM me if you want clarification on any points...) should be ashamed of yourselves.

[jibber]

As I understand your concern, I'm sure it happens regardless, Lytholm Although, I gave my thoughts and my help only to aid in the situation. I had no intention of doing anything, such as, giving away qclass/qrace information or quest information or the like. However, locations of specific things, asking about what spell does what, what they're good for, etc, would be what I would answer to.

Anyways...