hooray for fights!

[Pali]

It's called pride.

Pride in the "I'm proud of my accomplishments" sense is fine. Pride in the "I can't take insults without resorting to violence" sense is both childish and foolish.

No, but I won't go to jail if I brake the ribs of someone who is insulting me too, would I?

Perhaps not in Bulgaria, but in the US, yes, you quite easily could.

[jibber]

Jackass.

You could have seriously hurt him with that Fireman carry + drop. Non disregarding the stomps.

Next time just choke him out.

He could have been SERIOUSLY hurt from the glass in his eye. I sure hope you're kidding about the level of seriousness in this post. Choking someone has more of a chance to hurt them permanently then a fireman's carry/drop. It's like falling out of bed, except onto cement.

As far as stomping goes, I really doubt he seriously stomped on him. I'm pretty sure he kicked him a couple of times, to make sure he wouldn't get up (definitely something I'd do). But then again, everyone's society is different.. such as the number of Australians here. Aussies aren't aloud to have guns, and American's carry them freely -- there's a staple difference right there in if we walk away from a fight, or hand it to the guy who starts it.

Then again, there's a place for walking away, and a place for socking some guy for being an idiot and putting YOUR well being in danger. This was one of those times where I simply wouldn't just walk away -- and I'm sure half of you have the same sense I do.

[-Totenkopf-]

Aussie's are allowed to have guns. You require a license and they must be kept in a locked cabinet. Maybe American's SHOULDN'T be allowed to have guns, or at least they shouldn't be available with such ease. It seems every other month some nut case is going on a kill spree at his college. That happened once here. Replace nut case with australian nut case, and college with Tasmania.

Know what happened after that, they required that all semi-auto firearms be destroyed, by law, or made permanently inoperable.

If you think fighting is 'cool' or that carrying a gun makes gives you a bigger bulge in your pants, then you really should be going to see the white coats.

I've been a few fights, none of which I have started.

And yes, Nekky is a recently completed lawyer

[jibber]

I don't start fights. I don't think I've ever yet started one. It's an American right to have a gun, and to carry it unconcealed. I never said fighting was cool, nor did I say it made a bigger bulge in my pants

I just said, I defend myself. If that means I aggressively defend myself, so be it. As far as those gun shootings wherever, whatever. I never brought that up, nor will I ever. Just a political issue where some kid, mistreated or otherwise (I don't know the full story, neither does anyone else) got a gun out of a LOCKED cabinet (err.. or just a cabinet, but who knows) and killed some people.

Anyways..

[Helsieve]

Guns don't kill people.

Husbands who come home early do.

[Sandbox]

Mind if I ask what country you're situated in....and why you need to carry a firearm concealed?

L-A

united states, because i love my family and i'll do whatever it takes to defend them.

[Sandbox]

I always thought having a carry license and carrying a handgun with you on the street was a bit of a funny issue. Consider the following example.

You're walking in the street and you have a gun in your waist or in a holster under your arm. Some guy jumps out and points a gun at you, demanding you give him your wallet.

He has a gun, you have a gun. Now what do you do?

1) If you try to pull your gun out, he'll probably shoot you first since his gun is already out and aimed.

2) If you give him your wallet then shoot him when he's running away, that's manslaughter or murder depending on the circumstances.

The only time you'd be allowed to shoot someone is if you were in fear for your life. And usually in those situations, you've already got a gun pointed at you. If you use the gun in any other situation, you're probably in the wrong legally.

I just don't see the point of having a gun on you in these situations.

And f0xx: Explain to me when it is a good idea to fight and why, when you're not defending yourself or others?

its usually pretty obvious when some untrained thug is going to pull a gun out. i don't give a **** what any court says i'll gladly spend 20 to life to make sure my family lives a full and healthy life.

Guns are all about muscle memory, most of these punks expect a robery to go smoothly and freak out when resisted. If they dont fire the gun often and train with it their bodies will not know to pull the trigger they tend to go into a form of mental shock and panic when opposed because they are not trained to be resisted.

kind of like a noob in a pk situation actually lol.

[-Totenkopf-]

I don't start fights. I don't think I've ever yet started one. It's an American right to have a gun, and to carry it unconcealed. I never said fighting was cool, nor did I say it made a bigger bulge in my pants

I just said, I defend myself. If that means I aggressively defend myself, so be it. As far as those gun shootings wherever, whatever. I never brought that up, nor will I ever. Just a political issue where some kid, mistreated or otherwise (I don't know the full story, neither does anyone else) got a gun out of a LOCKED cabinet (err.. or just a cabinet, but who knows) and killed some people.

Anyways..

Jibber, every post, you seem to think I am pointing the finger at you. I actually more so speaking to Foxx. Geezus christ dude, build a bridge and get over whatever it is is the problem. I have done no wrong against you!

In regards to Helsieve, yes, people kill people, even if guns didn't exist, they'd find another means. Unfortunately, there are MANY slightly 'unstable' people out there, with malicious intent. Making it easier for people to kill eachother is not the fix to the problem I don't think.

[Sandbox]

you're right. nobody should ever kill anyone, unfortunately humans are greedy and self-centered and don't care who they have to harm in order to advance themselves or prove a point. It's pathetic an primitive really. You think we would have evolved out of this by now.

[jibber]

Jibber, every post, you seem to think I am pointing the finger at you. I actually more so speaking to Foxx. Geezus christ dude, build a bridge and get over whatever it is is the problem. I have done no wrong against you!

In regards to Helsieve, yes, people kill people, even if guns didn't exist, they'd find another means. Unfortunately, there are MANY slightly 'unstable' people out there, with malicious intent. Making it easier for people to kill eachother is not the fix to the problem I don't think.

:eek:

I agree to disagree with you? I think you should do the same.

[-Totenkopf-]

Disagree with me on what topic?

You think it should be easier for people to kill eachother?

Sandbox, you say most of these thugs wouldn't use the gun. Are you any different? If you are, perhaps you are worse then they are. And, if you aren't, well, whats the point of having the gun. You bring your glock, I'll bring my m4a1, you pull out your RPG, I grab a aabraham tank.

Where does it end?

[Sandbox]

when the 2nd guy doesn't bring a gun at all. I was taught at a young age you never point the barrel of a gun at something you dot not intend to kill. I take that very seriously in the military and in my every day life.

i'm all for a utopian society unfortunately we don't live in one. The law of nature is survival of the fittest, untill i live in a utopia i will make sure i am ready to defend myself or my family should the need arise. if history has taught me ANYTHING it is that given the opportunity to take advantage of you people most likely will.

[jibber]

Maybe American's SHOULDN'T be allowed to have guns' date=' or at least they shouldn't be available with such ease.[/quote']

I'll go into more detail.

It's not 'easy' to get a gun, lawfully. Unlawfully.. well, you get the picture. It's like that with every country, not just America. Lawfully, however, you go through a background check, can't have a rifle until you're 18. You can't have a pistol/handgun until you're 21. You have to go through a vigorous background check and if there's ONE nick against you, (like same name as some other joe schmoe who has a felony) forget it. You have to apply again in 12 months. Regardless if it's you or not with the felony.

I'm sorry if you thought that I was potshotting you. I wasn't, really.

Promise

[dragonforger17]

I'll go into more detail.

It's not 'easy' to get a gun, lawfully. Unlawfully.. well, you get the picture. It's like that with every country, not just America. Lawfully, however, you go through a background check, can't have a rifle until you're 18. You can't have a pistol/handgun until you're 21. You have to go through a vigorous background check and if there's ONE nick against you, (like same name as some other joe schmoe who has a felony) forget it. You have to apply again in 12 months. Regardless if it's you or not with the felony.

I'm sorry if you thought that I was potshotting you. I wasn't, really.

Promise

In Tennessee you can own a rifle at sixteen as long as you have your hunting licsense. or at least you could 3 years ago i dont know about now. The handgun is still twenty one but like you said anyone can get a gun unlawfully especially in our larger cities just around here.

[Pali]

The law of nature is survival of the fittest

Keep in mind that fittest does not directly translate to strongest or best armed - very often, it translates into the sneakiest, the most cautious, and the smartest.

[Sandbox]

Keep in mind that fittest does not directly translate to strongest or best armed - very often' date=' it translates into the sneakiest, the most cautious, and the smartest.[/quote'] truest statement i've heard all day.

[Nekky]

Like I said in my post, I wasn't trying to debate whether or not there should be a right to bear arms. I don't want to open that can of worms.

All I was saying is that in a situation where you might use a gun in the street, you will probably already have a gun pointed at you. At that stage it's pretty risky to try and get in some kind of quick-draw shoot out with someone who's already got a gun leveled at your face. If it was up to me, I wouldn't want to take the risk that if I respond with force the thug will lose his nerve and leave me alone. It's just not worth it over money.

Also, I wasn't saying you shouldn't protect your family/friends or whatever. But once the gun-wielding mugger has taken your wallet and is running away, they really aren't in danger any more. Shooting the guy in the back at that stage would just be revenge, or "pride" as f0xx put it.

Think about it like this, for the twenty bucks in your wallet, you could've avoided both dying, or going to jail ;p

[Sandbox]

Like I said in my post, I wasn't trying to debate whether or not there should be a right to bear arms. I don't want to open that can of worms.

All I was saying is that in a situation where you might use a gun in the street, you will probably already have a gun pointed at you. At that stage it's pretty risky to try and get in some kind of quick-draw shoot out with someone who's already got a gun leveled at your face. If it was up to me, I wouldn't want to take the risk that if I respond with force the thug will lose his nerve and leave me alone. It's just not worth it over money.

Also, I wasn't saying you shouldn't protect your family/friends or whatever. But once the gun-wielding mugger has taken your wallet and is running away, they really aren't in danger any more. Shooting the guy in the back at that stage would just be revenge, or "pride" as f0xx put it.

Think about it like this, for the twenty bucks in your wallet, you could've avoided both dying, or going to jail ;p

maybe... if they kill you nobody can id them right?

[Ali_gmud]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

My god the number of shootings in schools in America are quite high compaired to any other country. I was getting ready to prove Alesus wrong about the number of shootings in Australia.. I swear it was more, but seems he is right - it's only occured once and it resulted in 2 deaths.

[Sandbox]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

My god the number of shootings in schools in America are quite high compaired to any other country. I was getting ready to prove Alesus wrong about the number of shootings in Australia.. I swear it was more, but seems he is right - it's only occured once and it resulted in 2 deaths.

i fail to see what this has to do with anything, no amount of laws or restrictions will stop a human being who is adamant enough from doing anything. People still do alot of cocaine in the U.S. but its illegal. As long as humans exist there will always be conflict. I think alot of people forget how big america really is.

[Ali_gmud]

Thought it was obvious enough. America may be alot bigger than Aussie - but honestly the amount of shootings done by kids at such a young age tells you something about US gun laws, and how easily it is to obtain a firearm.

Your dirt kick grazes sandbox.

[jibber]

Whoah what? Just because there's some messed up individuals in America does not make it the fault of the gun laws.

Your dirt kick >>> ANNIHILATES <<< Ali_gmud!

[Sandbox]

Thought it was obvious enough. America may be alot bigger than Aussie - but honestly the amount of shootings done by kids at such a young age tells you something about US gun laws, and how easily it is to obtain a firearm.

Your dirt kick grazes sandbox.

lol you think is easy to get guns here? go to a third world country. The laws are horrible at-least we attempt to control it. America is not perfect in any way,we are too much like rome and we are trying to expand our empire too big if we are not careful we will end up just like them. Not only that but the USSA (united socialist states of amerca) doesn't seem to far away...

[Ali_gmud]

Whoah what? Just because there's some messed up individuals in America does not make it the fault of the gun laws.

I had recently hired out a documentrary called 'the killing of America' which speaks of how easily a firearm is obtained. I can't say I know first hand because I've never been to states. I'm not basing my whole point on screwed up bullied kids going berserk on their class mates - I'm just merely throwing out a example.

Your kicked dirt maims Joci

[H&R]

Guns are all about muscle memory' date=' most of these punks expect a robery to go smoothly and freak out when resisted. If they dont fire the gun often and train with it their bodies will not know to pull the trigger they tend to go into a form of mental shock and panic when opposed because they are not trained to be resisted.[/quote']

And people that can't handle a gun shouldn't be able to get a hold of one so easily. But I guess they can, since it's america. Sure knife disputes can get messy too, but they usually don't end up in corpses. More guns => more corpses. Jibber, you can't deny the fact that more less stable individuals will get a hold on a gun if they are easier to access.