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RP: Good Vs. Evil

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I'd like to have a healthy discussion on RP. Particularly pertaining to the inability of evils who don't want it to be known they are evil who CANNOT hide the fact they are indeed evil because of things like who group. I honestly do not believe anyone who does not have a detect evil/ know alignment spell should be able to go "Oh, I have been divinely blessed by my god, the message comes from the heavens that you are tainted, damned, etc..." People should have to WITNESS something if I'm not playing a drow, illithid, etc...races that are naturally evil.

Now, let's say I'm playing a human monk. Disciplined. I take the Necropsy religion. I want to try to RP the part of morticianer/undertaker and gain knowledge of various bodies through studying corpses, NOT by killing. I think perhaps joining Herald would benefit both me and my character, so, along with my RP, I avoid the PK aspect.

Yet, out of nowhere, WHAM! I get attacked while on my way to Brambus to get something identified. Now, you might say, "Why not get a scroll, Valek?" Well, it's simple. That scroll has a level requirement I had not met. Unfortunately, I can't tell who's purity religion and who's not. It's not as simple as a who group. And I've never believed it's as simple as that.

But this isn't about where I was going, what I was doing, etc....

Why is it that people can use PK as a tool to force their RP onto somebody else? Because that's what it is. The only way that it was known that I was indeed evil, since humans are of all aligns, (I'd love to see neutral monks, btw, since we now have neutral blms) was with the who group command. Not by any other form of divination.

I don't have a problem with the who list itself. Never have. But when you're sitting there playing "Guess Who?" with various who commands, it gets a little annoying. So, why haven't we drawn a line in the sand between these mechanics and the possibility for the "hidden evil" RP?

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Now' date=' let's say I'm playing a human monk. Disciplined. I take the Necropsy religion. I want to try to RP the part of morticianer/undertaker and gain knowledge of various bodies through studying corpses, NOT by killing. I think perhaps joining Herald would benefit both me and my character, so, along with my RP, I avoid the PK aspect.[/quote']

If this is all your character is doing, I would say you are not properly roleplaying an evil or a Necropsy follower. Keep in mind that studying death and worshiping Death are two different things.

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If people were properly roleplaying alignes, then we wouldn't need such commands. Since the world is not perfect though, and 90% of the RPes are not as good as some of the most famous characters (notice I am not speaking about players, but characters) I believe we need it.

As the two above already stated, your character himself was OOC. Also, an evil character should never be surprised that people are attacking him.

Everyone who says, "Oh, how do you know I am evil when we haven't even met?" has already went OOC, simply because his character does not act as the evil dude he is supposed to be.

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Basically, what I think is that if you are a PC (even a rank 1 adventurer), then you are a famous person. Everything anyone knows about you is gossip throughout the world and things like your class/title/bio/align are basically posted all over the guilds (or from the mouths of NPCs). So, that purity follower saw your poster on the most wanted evil worshippers board in the temple, so they know your align.

On the subject of RPing align. If you want to do 'evil' things, but do so in a 'good' way for 'good' reasons, then you are in fact good in the world of FL. For example, killing is a bad thing. Looting is a bad thing. Killing and looting evils is a good way to do a bad thing, possibly making you a good person. It depends on why you did the action more than whether the action was good or evil. Remember what is good and evil isn't the same in FL as in RL.

In FL, it isn't action which defines align. It is the underlying motive. You can be an evil human monk and never do anything bad. Everyone will still magically know your evil motives (at least the deities who then inform their followers and spread the word), and you will be branded as evil. Even without doing anything evil. If you want to argue that you don't have any evil motives and you don't do anything evil, then you are probably, in fact, not evil. You shouldn't play an evil character in that case.

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Sooo...I have to be bloodthirsty to WORSHIP Death?!?!? :confused: :eek: :rolleyes:

Oooookay, I know, I know. I can't expect the system to fit me, I have to fit the system. Start over, roll another...

That would imply chaotic... to me. You just have to be evil. Not doing evil things ever... makes you not evil. Studying corpses is not evil. Don't roll another character, just be the one you rolled. :)

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That would imply chaotic... to me. You just have to be evil. Not doing evil things ever... makes you not evil. Studying corpses is not evil. Don't roll another character' date=' just be the one you rolled. :)[/quote']

No, the act itself isn't evil. I'm just trying to talk about the "hidden evil" which I refer to as a neutral evil character. Why would a truly evil person give themselves away before they felt they were powerful, unless they were chaotic? To me, it's like, you can hold back, hold back, hold back.....then WHAM! Hey, look what I learned from studying all those corpses! :D But enough about that...I've already conceded.

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No' date=' the act itself isn't evil. I'm just trying to talk about the "hidden evil" which I refer to as a neutral evil character. Why would a truly evil person give themselves away before they felt they were powerful, unless they were chaotic? To me, it's like, you can hold back, hold back, hold back.....then WHAM! Hey, look what I learned from studying all those corpses! :D But enough about that...I've already conceded.[/quote']

In the situation I believe you are speaking of the individual in question has no tolerance, has vowed to NOT wait until evil strikes, but to strike first. this is the basis of the purity religeon.

Also the ability to judge someone as evil, or good, is a key element of the game. In this incident I believe consider wa sused to determine ethos. Now some classes can hide their true nature, but this is considered a powerful ability. Also, as Celerity says, as a hero in the lands and a member of a guild the concept is that you are well known.

When speaking of "forced RP" however being an active PK mud you have to ask yourself..what can you do? If someone has it out for you and they justify this with background and active RP then how can you ignore it? If a guy comes at you with a bat swinging..you going to tell him your not up for the RP? I geuss what I am getting at is you cant pick and choose what interactions your character experiences, if a blood thirsty zealot is rampaging through town you best run or be caught up in the conflict.

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what gets me...is I think I know what character of Valek's inspired his post.

We have a situation where...

1, the aggressor RP'ed bfore and for about an hour after the PK took place with others around never leaving the spot of the kill

2, the victim after one death proceeded to instigate a second fight...going so far as to put their chest up to the aggressors blade, taunting them. The aggressor was still in the same spot..mind you...rping with witnesses to the kill and the victim.

3, The second encounter involved a warning shot, in a way as the aggressor attaked the victim again, yet did not pursue...however the victim returned to continue the fight.

5, no looting took place aside from gold and I believe one rare item on the first kill. On the second kill no looting took place at all

5, then the victim made a show of deleting. A show, as in, the aggressor was sleeping...so the victim woke them then deleted.

6, lvl range was 28 - 30

Why delete from this man? You lost nothing really. It wasnt a silent pkill as is common in this lvl range, I just dont get it.

Even if this wasnt Valek's toon, this happened last night...is there anything the aggressor could of done different to prevent a deletion? Other than just not RP their character as they wish?

At pinn I have played many a character in almost every class you can make (almost). You die you get up, you die you get up..hell losing a fight and NOT getting full looted in my mind is like a golden ticket to try again.

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