Glequep and Deihle

[klemkin]

Was an attempt to come back, but I would consider both a failure. Thanks for the interactions.

Glequep was a failed Psi applicant. I don't know what I did wrong there, and doubt i ever will.

Deihle was just a time killer for waiting for Glequep.

Maybe next spring festival I will try again. For now, holiday is over and time might be best spent elsewhere. Take care folks!

[Imoutgoodbye]

Well, to find out what you did wrong, just ask via prayer forum. I wish you luck and await your return.

Blessed Be.

[klemkin]

What I would to say will sound childish, so instead will just say I've been very active on the prayer forum lately including asking just that. I will run you through what I've been told over the course of 24 days.

Ask staff about it -> Staff tells me to ask staff in charge of it -> I send not IC to staff in charge -> No response. I am told told to RP more. -> I try RP plot and send another in game note to staff in charge. -> No response from them. I am told to ask them again, maybe they did not get first two notes. -> I finish RP plot, and ask for guidance. -> I am told to talk to the staff in charge of it, as they will return my interaction. -> I send in game note, and post on the prayer forum for help. -> Application Denied as only response.

They do not owe me an answer, and I will come to terms with that. Something I did was wrong, and I give myself a vacation to figure it out.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Application Denied.

Ask again now that the app has been denied. I myself prefer not to work closely with the immortals on my characters and let what will be, be.

Like any good D&D player should know, the DM will do what the DM will do. It's between you and the IMMs. Not for me to know, not for me to decide. Nor anyone else.

Again, I wish you luck.

[Grim_Reefer]

Wow, really? Glequep was awesome. Just because you didn't get psi right then doesn't mean you won't ever get it. Dude, you should just stick to your guns and good things will happen. Sometimes you get denied as a test to see if you really have the heart to earn one of those qraces.

[Kyzarius]

Wow' date=' really? Glequep was awesome. Just because you didn't get psi right then doesn't mean you won't ever get it. Dude, you should just stick to your guns and good things will happen. Sometimes you get denied as a test to see if you really have the heart to earn one of those qraces.[/quote']

this!

[KRins]

If denials are handed out as "tests" that is considerably messed up. A person spends hours on a character. Receives very little response regarding his issue and is then denied without explanation. That's all perfectly fine. Sometimes you can't get what you want for whatever reason, and frequently that reason isn't told to you despite the fact that 2 sentences regarding why you didn't get X would probably drastically improve your current and future characters. But to deny an application as a "test" is a middle finger to me, my time, and the potential I donated freely to whatever IMM controls whatever Qthing. Say "I require a greater glimpse into your soul." Don't say "NO!" if you don't mean no...extend the app...or better yet. Give them the qthing and if they breech the RP of the qthing, then give them a single verbal warning via pulling them up. Then deny them. I will never understand why it is an EXTREMELY long time for a simple game feature. I mean... If we were electing a President or building a bridge, then yes extensive qualification checks all around. If we are trying to build some flavor of a pbase, which I assume is still dismally low and rife with shadiness and outright *******ry, then why are we making all 10 of the players left jump through flaming hoops...after cutting off their legs and setting a few tigers on them.

[alldaymuddin]

Heh, how easily one gives up..

Nine out of ten your app was denied because of something in your application. Then I know If I was the Imm staff I would test how bad a person wants it because the easier you get it the easier it seems everyone who gets a qrace deletes. Try again, look over the last app for mistakes and fix them.. Don't give up, thats the worst thing you can do, who wants to be the person where they are like "nah, don't do that for him.. He gives up when **** gets tough, or doesnt go his way." Stick it out, I sat with you all that day waiting for the assembly and missed it, your char rocks.. stick it out, try again.. My demon got denied twice and I got it on the third..

Never let'em see you sweat.. play it cool like a dude trying not to look gay suckin on a pop sickle ..

[f0xx]

I will never understand why it is an EXTREMELY long time for a simple game feature.

This as well is my only annoyance with the game at the moment. I mean, I am aware that you have to "prove" that you deserve this Qthing, but it is just wrong to wait that much without even knowing whether there is someone watching you. Yes, I know that this is to teach you that you should always play like that (especially RP wise), but reallity has shown that 99% of the Qthing recievers lose their RP after they have gotten it. Also, how the hell are you supposed to RP something when you aren't it?

Those are some of the main reasons why after more than 8 years of playing I have never applied for anything Quest. I think it would be much better for Qraces to be handed out easer (i.e. needing smaller time intervals) and the whole RP viewing process to be done after that, this goes especially for Qthings for which you have to gain your pinnace again (crusader, psi, lich) or such that are given at 30.

Or in short, I agree with what Krins said.

Give them the qthing and if they breech the RP of the qthing' date=' then give them a single verbal warning via pulling them up. Then deny them.[/quote']

[the_nightmare]

Klemkin, I had a lot of interactions with Glequep.You had kick-*** RP I found it amusing that you got rejected for psi.As for Daihle, man it was awesome druid.

[klemkin]

I cannot comment that I had good RP, because that would be egotistical.

I cannot complain much because I would be a troublemaker and whiner and need to "Harden Up."

I won't take it to prayer, because it is an annoyance to be negative there and my original request for interaction with that immortal still has only two comments. One by myself, and the other also by myself. One asking, and one saying "Thank you, please deny me."

I could argue it, but the decision was made and changing now would make the staff look weak.

24 days of waiting, hoping, and trying, is a long time to invest without being displeased with a rejection without explanation (even if one is not due to my in the staff eyes.) Expressing my displeasure in a reasonable way publicly is hopefully acceptable still.

I will pray it was not randomly done by someone who hasn't had any time to play, watch me, or interact with me. I will hope it isn't a response to OOC discussions on the prayer forum about a different unrelated matter. Either way, this or if I truly did something wrong, I can accept it. How I move on follows.

I feel sleighted because I tried my best. My option is to make leave as a passive objection to the situation because anything else makes me lose more credibility. It is the only objection a player in this game came make without being flamed, analyzed, and crucified that will effect the staff in the least. Losing 1 out of the 10-12 active players for any given amount of time seems like a reasonable and passive way to say I am unhappy. In the end, the Currently Online number will drop from 6 to 5.

I am hoping not to be character assassinated by a moderator here, only because I am expressing my discontent in a very moderate way. I appreciate the support through PMs and threads. It is a shame three players have sent me PMs saying they didn't want to speak up on the forum because they felt they would be attacked or lose face/their qrace app.

[Celerity]

I think when remorting, you should try to play a normal length char at 50 THEN remort, instead of trying to remort immediately after ranking.

It would have probably helped you to only have one character. Having an alt is bad when trying to get quest stuff because you feel more inclined to play your alt because the main is just 'waiting'. I don't how active your illithid was at 50 or what your RP background for your psi app was, but just something to think about.

On the other hand, I mostly agree with you on the concept part. I never really did understand why you need an app to be a vampire, but you didn't need one to be a DK. I also had an (lengthy!) app recently denied for no apparent reason (I still don't know!), so I feel you on that.

RP should be enforced (actively with real punishments AND rewards) no matter what you are playing. A vamp shouldn't need to RP better than a DK. And like Foxx said, once you get the quest thing, the RP just goes back to the normal level that everyone does. I've written a couple of posts on this already.

[H&R]

Kudos to you for maintaining a very positive attitude. I hope you get an explanation, because it sends out a bad message when a good roleplayer and someone who makes plots IC gets denied. I, for one, just got even more hesitant to attempt a qrace/class again. Zhokril probably isn't the easiest to get a qclass from. I can see how Zhokril would get annoyed if someone pushed an app down his throat (not saying you did). Think Zhokril has been absent a bit lately as well, so maybe he hasn't seen you roleplay. Just me speculating... Seems like waiting a month for a qrace/class is pretty standard nowadays.

I personally believe it should be easier to get a qrace/class. Perhaps they could be purged faster or something, to make up for it.

[the_nightmare]

Klemkin, how many hours you have on the character?

[Kyzarius]

I just think its odd for you to delet after participating in such an involved RP event.

Your app got denied, man regroup, reapply, try a new angle.

I have vented many a time about q-apps in prayer, but in the end if you are persistent enough and adapt to the model the imms are looking for you can win anything.

One point is that you really didnt play as a necro for a while, which was RP and is good, but you might have had to spend a little more time representing your class as the best necro out there.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

I think you shouldn't have deleted. I've waited 2 months (Chayesh) and I've waited 7 hours (Viri). Takes a little too long these days, IMO, but we're not the ones with the kill switch, so, gotta do what ya gotta do.

[Kyzarius]

In some ways the wait time on apps can be infinitly frustrating.

In other ways though it preserves the uniqueness of the goal.

Gaining a qclass/qrace should be a trial.

[Mindflayer]

I just don't apply. Never wanted a qrace/class. I have more fun roleplaying drows.

[Celerity]

I think drow have more active RP going for them than any other race

[Zhokril]

I'm not sure why this ended up on the public forum, but you were denied to see if you were committed to the character.

Sorry to say, you've had a recent history of up-and-leaving whenever something doesn't go your way the past couple of months. I wanted to make sure you cared about the roleplay, and that it wasn't just a vehicle to getting an "accepted" message. Unfortunately, you took the route that the test was meant to rule out.

[Mindflayer]

Humans too. Roleplaying an ogre gets really old for me after about 20 hours.

[H&R]

Denying apps as a test based on past experiences with other chars seems very harsh to me... Waiting almost a month at 50 uncaballed, roleplaying very well (from what I've seen), then get denied without a word. I don't think my first thought would be "is this a test?" either... I think most players wouldn't have taken this as well as Klemkin, and maintaining a positive attitude.

[Zhokril]

Your first thought shouldn't be whether it is a test. The idea is not to try and "game the system" and figure out what has happened. You should roleplay your character and behave as it would having been denied something it wanted.

Many players build their character on the idea that they will get this or that qrace/qclass and few would continue playing the character if they didn't. These are not characters that I will approve for qstuff, as it suggests to me that behavior is contrived and towards a goal rather than natural and for its own sake.

When there are already Psi's around, and there are multiple apps for the qclass spot, you can expect testing to be more thorough. This goes for any qclass.

[Sandbox]

Your first thought shouldn't be whether it is a test. The idea is not to try and "game the system" and figure out what has happened. You should roleplay your character and behave as it would having been denied something it wanted.

Many players build their character on the idea that they will get this or that qrace/qclass and few would continue playing the character if they didn't. These are not characters that I will approve for qstuff, as it suggests to me that behavior is contrived and towards a goal rather than natural and for its own sake.

I hate to say this because i really like your rp Klemkin on most of your characters but I will agree with Zhorkril here. This although probably frustrating does make alot of sense to me.

[the_nightmare]

I liked the RP of Glequep, even if it is a test I think that he did pretty well.But that is just my thought.