Celerity Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Well' date=' I've never really had much of a problem with dominating with any berserker, caballed or not.[/quote'] Didn't you rage delete your last two berserkers? How was the PK record on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 PK record was fine, and one was not a rage delete. I didn't delete because they were impossible to win with or fight with or defend with. One was, like you said, a rage delete, and it was because one thing happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Burned!!!! Joking... I never had problems with Zerkers... perhaps some bitter sweet Mino Zerks. I hate being Charge lagged. I normaly only die to them if someone interferes. Like one time i was on Talos fighting a FG Zerker with my Elven Pali and here comes Merle and attacks me. Merle has been chasing me half way through the lands cause we did not rub well, and i was bored fighting Merle. So i was fighting the FG and when i fleed to heal Merle strikes me... then i evade Merle and the FG comes and Locked me to death. Or the time i had Dagoneto on his Knees (read, running for my life at awful ) and some stupid Mino Zerk Charges me. Of course Dagoneto stuck me and got the kill :eek:. Needless to say, the Zerk did not last long . Now really, I love to fight Zerkers with Clerics, it's so much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Forgot about the time i killed a FireZerk with a drow Cleric in Emerald at rank 20+. Zerks suck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Fought you a few times with Philantees' date=' don't think ever as an avatar though.[/quote'] Yeah I'll never forget that moment. I was rp'ing with Haesireph about me becoming an avatar than bam you got me. With all the talk about zerks its not they are defensiveless. They certainly have their advantages. Its just that in alot of situations they actually are. I mean plain and simple they don't have the skillset to match a warriors/rangers/bmg/blm. Only through haymaker (or cabal skills) is supposed to be the equalizer. And rage gives them that edge against the other classes. Its simple numbers. Just compare skillsets . Fire zerks have a better chance against said classes due to their bash which is in a league of its own. But how long can they last until an invoker shows up or your opposition gets a hold of a decent ice weapon? The last time I played a zerk it was a fire glad and I quit when I felt their was nothing I could do when met up against certain opposition, lest change part of the code. Zerks need to use their skills to win, yet it didn't dawned on me until I made wm that if one of those classes could keep tripping me thus negating my ability to use said skill. It would be quite an uphill battle, unless you use rage then the battle would be over before you know it (though in many of my battles as Gaddfrey I could not win without rage or avatar ability) I wonder if Zix has any logs. I remember my opposition being some blm in syndie at the time, which I beat pre-warmaster. Now I heard glad can smoke herbs? I wonder what caused that An undead blm might just as bad for a zerk to beat vuln weapons in all. I just hope my time wasn't spent in vain and it may lead to more attention being payed in these situations. Zerks vs warriors/rangers/blm/bmg in addition to dks and vamps and a qrace combined with a couple of the previous mentioned classes will make it all the more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Let me point out that some classes have absolute 'steam roll' banes. As told by me in the past from the staff, your character, regardless of what race class it is, might have a bane that is impossible to kill with your skills unless you find said opponent with their pants completely down. A few examples of this would be: Healer's versus Undead (we're not talking about vampires here. Just the undead class in general), it's nigh impossible to kill the healer as an Undead. Berserkers versus Undead (depends on the class mostly), and definitely in your case, any berserker versus undead battlemage is nearly impossible to overcome (if the battlemage is smart). So just because there's one race or class that a berserker can't beat with haymaker, or any other 'NEEDFUL' skills, doesn't mean it needs to be fixed. I guess all Undeads need a revamp since Healers (especially halfling healers) roll over them without a problem! Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Hmm, what undead would actually be afraid of a healer? LOL. Theirs no way they can keep you in battle. Additionally its easy for the undead to beat the healer, just wait until the healer get bored of not being able to pk anyone and there you have it, deletion or inactivity. You do have a point when it comes to banes yet I don't believe that a class should have an impossible time standing up to a bane. an uphill battle yes but not impossible. You also seem to have ignored the other match ups I obviously mentioned in my last post as well. Its not just one case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I find it ironic that a person says they have no problem dominating with a berserker when they have never dominated with a berserker. The only berserker I have seen "dominate" as of somewhat recent times, would be Ug(?) Mindflayer's troll in Nexus. There have been a few that have done well in the Watcher cabal, but have not dominated by any, or even slightly any, means. -Trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Don't want to sound pessimistic as I highly highly respect Mindflayer but wasn't Morchial in the cabal with Ug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Totenkopf- Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Think I pinged you on 2 or 3 occasions. And where have I been. Busy in the real world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I find it ironic that a person says they have no problem dominating with a berserker when they have never dominated with a berserker. The only berserker I have seen "dominate" as of somewhat recent times, would be Ug(?) Mindflayer's troll in Nexus. There have been a few that have done well in the Watcher cabal, but have not dominated by any, or even slightly any, means. -Trick Mindflayers Troll was Thorghull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Sad to see you go - I was looking forward to what you'd be able to do with a zerk as you're usually on the PK train with your characters. I'll go against the majority here and say that I think zerks are 6 - 4 or 7 - 3 at a minimum vs a bmage (class vs class, no cabal abilities). With certain race combinations the zerk can gain even more advantage. I can elaborate if players are interested. I'd be interested in discussing (or seeing your logs) of the fights. I reckon they'd be pretty good. Looking forward to your next L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I was Thorghull the Reaving Troll (ogre) berserker. I was crap until I got to Trusted in Reaver, then I started putting the smack down on fools. Morchial stopped me from deleting many times at Veteran, after getting my *** handed to me alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Damn that real world. Always getting in the way of FL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Sad to see you go. Another Knight down... Great character from what I saw. Good luck with whatever you try next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbox Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 only class i had problems with on Emertis was warriors. Lack of ability to solo anything was the main frustration. It really is pathetic though how easily a warrior in mithril can shred a decked zerk. The problem alot of zerks forget is to use a shield, I only raged as a finisher, or against pure mage types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hmm' date=' what undead would actually be afraid of a healer? LOL. Theirs no way they can keep you in battle. Additionally its easy for the undead to beat the healer, just wait until the healer get bored of not being able to pk anyone and there you have it, deletion or inactivity. You do have a point when it comes to banes yet I don't believe that a class should have an impossible time standing up to a bane. an uphill battle yes but not impossible. You also seem to have ignored the other match ups I obviously mentioned in my last post as well. Its not just one case.[/quote'] I can attest to at least one. Zerks are the bane of blademasters. ask anyone who plays a blm often, a zerk is always one of the worst fights given that the zerk has appropriate knowledge of the class. What I always found my bane as a zerk was a cleric or shaman. I HATED fighting them. When I got into WM there where 3 clerics in Savant, Norgrot, Alesir, and an Elf one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 only class i had problems with on Emertis was warriors. Lack of ability to solo anything was the main frustration. It really is pathetic though how easily a warrior in mithril can shred a decked zerk. The problem alot of zerks forget is to use a shield' date=' I only raged as a finisher, or against pure mage types.[/quote'] There are more times to use rage than just to end it. If your an anger zerk try tossing it a round before tic, to test the water and see how your defenses suffer. I used to find that if you trade damage for a bit, then go all offensive, they have a hard time switching. As a zerk I would use a mace/shield at first to wither them down. Then next time I initiate I am dual wielding exotic/spear or exotic/axe and autorage. Now vs Clerics you basically have to rage, or you get calmed. I love the way a zerk plays as it is always a fine line between incredible win, and horrible loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I can attest to at least one. Zerks are the bane of blademasters. ask anyone who plays a blm often' date=' a zerk is always one of the worst fights given that the zerk has appropriate knowledge of the class. What I always found my bane as a zerk was a cleric or shaman. I HATED fighting them. When I got into WM there where 3 clerics in Savant, Norgrot, Alesir, and an Elf one as well.[/quote'] Than we agree. I only mentioned them due to necessity for haymaker to hit. Against Zix as well Tibedoe I could completely destroy as long as haymaker hit. I'd usually would need rage for this. However if haymaker didn't hit, both of you didn't even need to bother with sanctuary to beat me. If I was the blm I'd open combat but not enter a single command so I can easily put up sanction each time it was dropped. The way you guys spammed commands is the only thing that did you in. Did you say clerics/shamans gave you a hard time as a zerk? How? Rage and decent equipment should've given you more than enough edge. Unless ofcourse you don't believe in saves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Than we agree. I only mentioned them due to necessity for haymaker to hit. Against Zix as well Tibedoe I could completely destroy as long as haymaker hit. I'd usually would need rage for this. However if haymaker didn't hit, both of you didn't even need to bother with sanctuary to beat me. If I was the blm I'd open combat but not enter a single command so I can easily put up sanction each time it was dropped. The way you guys spammed commands is the only thing that did you in. Did you say clerics/shamans gave you a hard time as a zerk? How? Rage and decent equipment should've given you more than enough edge. Unless ofcourse you don't believe in saves Saves are for people that need saving. My chars go right to FL hell in a fiery ball of angry binary. The way I see it saves fail, MUCH more than incredible hit/dam do. Now this WILL lead to some death at the hands of decent shammies, but even as my zerk I was taking out decked drow/duerg shamans as a WM inductee, just have to be much more careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 That's why I love you man. For two people to play this game for as long as we have and still be on opposite ends on many different totem poles (if that's how the saying actually goes) is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Saves are for people that need saving. My chars go right to FL hell in a fiery ball of angry binary. This why I love you so much man! I find it ironic that a person says they have no problem dominating with a berserker when they have never dominated with a berserker. I know of at least one VERY bad *** zerker that jibber has played and if he wasn't too greedy about cabal ranks, he would have gone quite far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Tsk tsk, those who take 2 years and then come back and claim they know everything seem to completely disappear while I'm posting and reading the forums. Thanks for the backup, foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Gaddfrey Props. An old man in a blue robe stands up and says: "I was a friend of Gaddfrey." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 The problem alot of zerks forget is to use a shield' date=' I only raged as a finisher, or against pure mage types.[/quote'] It's really about your rage focus. If you're devastation, you'd be better off raged against just about any player in a one versus one situation. Don't forget, certain berserker skills work better whilst enraged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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