That thin line between IC and OOC

[The-Nameless]

Ok guys, I am seeing more and more often that a char is being played as the player, not as the char. I am not gonna throw anyone under the bus when I say this but, and this is just the tip of the iceberg, I see much more than this. I have seen lots of low int giants running around talking like college educated people . A storm giant should never have the same vocab as an elf, if u are rping a highly intelligent, and mighty noble RP. Then maybe it should not be an ogre, or giant, or minotaur. I try very hard to limit how I talk based on what race I am becuse that's how it works. Other things that irk me.

Bloodthirsty halflings, Really now? If your a halfling, you should NOT be wandering around cocky as all get out. Halfers by nature are merry, and curious. NOT a warlike race.

Overly smart giants. Giants are the dumbest of the races. As a giant you should not be able to have a deep, theological discussion. Not because the giant is uneducated, but because a giant just does not have the capacity to ingest enough knowledge.

Low levels that run their mouths to high levels. If you just came out of your guild, wearing no armor, and a crap weapon that you found when you got here. You are not going to pop off at the mouth to the guy who strides in wielding a magnificent blade, riding atop a fully armored warhorse and wearing enough platemail to stop a dragon bite. You just aren't. In real life noone likes Mike Tyson, but I doubt anyone is gonna talk **** to him cause Mike Tyson will break your face. People here abuse game mechanics, then when that mechanic no longer protects them they are pissed, and complain about people killing them when they had crap armor, and before they pinned. Sorry folks, when a lowbie pops off at the mouth to my chars I will remember, and hope you forgot, so when I kill you only you can be blamed.

Chars giving cross class advice. This one really angers me. If you are a blademaster, you should NOT be giving an invoker advice on how to play. In an RP sense there is not a single viable reason your dwarf blademaster knows anything about being a successful invoker, maybe you can say this is how they fight me but even then this is blatantly OOC, and yet I see it constantly. I had someone tell my blm how to do something properly, my response was when I want to be a necromancer, then i will ask you. Keep yourself out of my training, or I will put you in the dirt with your pack.

Those are just some of the main ones.

[Kyzarius]

Bloodthirsty halflings, Really now? If your a halfling, you should NOT be wandering around cocky as all get out. Halfers by nature are merry, and curious. NOT a warlike race.

depends on the halfling and their RP.

I dont believe it is fair to try and trump the individuality of a character based on stereotypes.

the cross-char advice thing, man I HATE that. I hate when people try and give "unsolicited" advice on a class they currently arent playing. Why would the BLM want tips from an invoker? The invoker wouldnt know these secrets.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Well, now, if all our giants were using only two syllable words, I'd be bored.

No one here (I admire you all, but it's just not possible) has an INT equal to an elf or illithid.

Cross class advice I give frequently and it can be RP'ed quite well. (I only offer it when the person is asking for advice)

Merry halflings? Religion can fix that up pretty quick.

Chillax.

[Kyzarius]

Merry halflings? Religion can fix that up pretty quick.

Chillax.

yeah, the only halfling i know of right now..that could be considered warlike..is a praetorian, and has other significant motivations to slay evils

[Croyvern]

if your int is low, use big words, improperly.

[the_nightmare]

RP sux

[The-Nameless]

There are racial stereotypes that exist for a reason. A fire giant should NOT be articulate. Nortak was a great example of racial stereotypes, and how hey should function. A female drow should look down on males as lesser creatures, that is how drow are made. If you worship Lloth, and recall to xymerria then yuo should not believe males are equals, not trying to pigeon hole anyone, but thats just it.

A storm giant should not talk to me like an elven prince period. A gnome should not be an aggressive, warlike creature. Neither should a halfling. You can be a religious zealot and still be your race. But I see a pattern of people playing a Drow cleric with the same attitude as a storm berserker. Same speech and all. This is the player, not the character. You can be unique, but still your race/class. Deykari is a fantastic example of this. Hell if you want to use racial perks, but have out of the box rp, then make a qrace. Taiem was a good example of a powerful combo that had RP that did not match the race, so taiem was a qrace.

[Imoutgoodbye]

yeah' date=' the only halfling i know of right now..that could be considered warlike..is a praetorian, and has other significant motivations to slay evils[/quote']

I'm of the full belief that each race has its oddballs, based on where they group, etc....just history wise. RP to each his own. I found that particular halflings RP a good wake up call for myself and I applaud it. If the player of that character is reading this, thank you for making sure I saw the other side of the coin. It has inspired me and opened my mind to both sides of the RP dialogue instead of being so hell bent on making my RP work on everyone else, letting mine just float on the winds.

However, I think Behrens had an essay on int and wisdom. It's truly unfair to bash RP over those two stats, though a good effort should be put forth.

And I'm really, really, tired and can't discuss this any further.

[megayeah]

If I get this right, he suggest that we all stop RPing. This post is pointless.

[The-Nameless]

yeah' date=' the only halfling i know of right now..that could be considered warlike..is a praetorian, and has other significant motivations to slay evils[/quote']

I would like to point out that this was not targeted towards Londil, I have seen many aggressive cocky halfers. Londil has 150% legit reasons to attack people because of what path he has taken, and I am NOT disparaging him at all.

[The-Nameless]

If I get this right' date=' he suggest that we all stop RPing. This post is pointless.[/quote']

You obviously did not get this right. Thanks for the constructive critique.

[Anume]

Post has a few points I agree with.

Lowbie talking smack to a pinn is one example. Be careful your pk immunitiy is not stripped for a time... (That would be a nice one-rounder )

Then people often fail to see it is quite difficult to rp a stereotype class-race combi and NOT the exception. It is rarely done well.

[Kyzarius]

I can, however, admit that there is a thin line, and most of us have crossed it a time or two.

Personally, I think I have gotten better at remaining IC no matter my characters current state. Playing q's all the time helps since if you DO drop character the imms tend to quickly slap ya back into line.

[f0xx]

Then people often fail to see it is quite difficult to rp a stereotype class-race combi and NOT the exception. It is rarely done well.

This is the RP I like most. Sadly, very few people ever give a shot for a generic RP.

That being said, I can see Bali coming here shouting "cookie cutter RP!"

[Atebos]

Needless to say, there are a LOT of oddball characters.

[Helsieve]

I'm really inclined to agree with Nameless, and I want to use Deykari's Scholin as an example. A human... is not a rare sight. Scholin was as ****in rare as they come. She was restrung as an enrichment to her human nature, and was RPed better than any human I have ever seen.

Rarely do I see halflings just wanting to smoke a bowl and sit on a hill <3 Wihl.

Rarely do I make fun of a giant and he doesn't have some witty comeback.

I think I see more renegades of Lloth than actual priestesses of her.

Just a few things I have noticed as well.

[Reccum]

If good RP was rewarded as much as good PK, maybe we would see more of it. Similarly if bad RP and bad PK were more strictly punished, we might see less of it.

If max stats are set in stone then races should be obliged to rp their stats. I'm sure giant warriors would be more careful if they rped their way into a +3 int -3 str situation...

[tassinvegeta]

A storm giant should not talk to me like an elven prince period. A gnome should not be an aggressive' date=' warlike creature. Neither should a halfling. You can be a religious zealot and still be your race. But I see a pattern of people playing a Drow cleric with the same attitude as a storm berserker. Same speech and all. This is the player, not the character.[/quote']

Theirs this thing called a background story you might want to look into it sometime.

[The-Nameless]

Theirs this thing called a background story you might want to look into it sometime.

I realize there are backstories. But no matter what happens there are some things you cannot overcome. A dwarf MIGHT have been a sailor, but he will never overcome his hate of water. An ogre might have lived IN the savant tower mana pools, he will still be vuln to magic. No matter WHAT an fg does he will never go past 15 int. He is just a dumb creature with a **** brain, thats the music there. I realize chars should be unique, I never insinuated that. Messalantha had one of the best backstories ever in my opinion, but was still a cold blooded killer vamp. There ARE exceptions to racial stereotypes, but your chars should not ALWAYS be the exception. Another thing I see is people are not using a backstory, they are just playing a character they made for a combo. I usually come up with a fun RP idea, then build a race/class over it. There are a few combos I have not played that are wicked strong, cause I cannot come up with viable RP, among those are Vamp, undead monk, undead thief, demon necro, Avatar ogre, Savant FG cleric, Tribunal crusader, syndicate psi. I realize they are all qraces, but I take alot more time in picking RP for qraces, so I can be consistant with it. I spent over a year perfecting my first crusader, because I wanted him to feel real, and I wanted the selections I made as a crusader to fit with my RP perfectly, but still give me room to expand the character once I had created him.

I had a human bmg demon wannabe AGES ago, and while RPing in val central Luqin showed up, and we had some RP sliding around and he ended up curing my affliction, so I never even sent my demon app because someone took the time to rp a cure, not a counter. That char ended up going herald, and spreading the path of the bunny . There are countless ways to RP your race, but be unique.

[Helsieve]

Theirs this thing called a background story you might want to look into it sometime.

Seeing this said from tassin to Nameless is hilarious.

[mya]

I normally play my characters like my personality. I just do not have the skills/energy to RP them properly.

I do evolve some character guidelines due to Player interaction on them, but they tend to be quite limited. For example, distrust for Ferals is a feral tried to kill me before or loving duck, due to some goof RP with ranking partners.

But I do make some character whose intention is Pure RP, in which I try to play make decision more to the like of what would my character do.

Still my personality will rule most of the decision.

So i tend to stay away from Halfling and Giants and other special necessities RP races. Elf are so cool, cause you can be all you want to be.

[tassinvegeta]

I realize there are backstories. But no matter what happens there are some things you cannot overcome. A dwarf MIGHT have been a sailor' date=' but he will never overcome his hate of water. An ogre might have lived IN the savant tower mana pools, he will still be vuln to magic. No matter WHAT an fg does he will never go past 15 int. He is just a dumb creature with a **** brain, thats the music there. I realize chars should be unique, I never insinuated that.[/quote']

Inherited abilities and traits are not the same thing as racial statistics. And yes you can still rp these things. What makes you think that person is not trying for a restring race or something else unknown to you. Maybe we should all just ask for your acceptance first so you can tell us how to rp our own characters? That would save us alot of trouble.

[Helsieve]

I didn't think Nameless set racial standards, but rather the mud (Or IMPs of said mud) did. That's why we don't have customizable stats. Yes, you add them up, but they all have maxes. NAMELESS WHY DID YOU SET FG MAX INT TO 15. I WANT TO PLAY A SMART GIANT LOL.

[Imoutgoodbye]

I didn't think Nameless set racial standards' date=' but rather the mud (Or IMPs of said mud) did. That's why we don't have customizable stats. Yes, you add them up, but they all have maxes. NAMELESS WHY DID YOU SET FG MAX INT TO 15. I WANT TO PLAY A SMART GIANT LOL.[/quote']

Everything takes into account PK balance. Physical stats are readily apparent. Mental are not. They are best represented through RP.

That being said, mental/intangible (we don't have a Charisma stat, so let's pretend it's Luck) have widely been ignored unless you were a mage or cleric of some sort.

I firmly believe a fire giant cleric/shaman would be slightly smarter than your average FG, but that would make all the other FG's a point or two or more under the max of 15.

You want to play a FG like he's human int (because that's what every player has), you can do it. Nobody is pulling off the Drow or Elf int, I promise, by true definition you're looking for.

However, I find it refreshing when people RP them as somehow in some way, retarded. But it's not necessity. Ogres have had a "speech impediment" implanted on them. Maybe if you write the code for it, you can have all Giants I's replaced with me's.

[The-Nameless]

Maybe if you write the code for it' date=' you can have all Giants I's replaced with me's.[/quote']

Based on the Int, Wis mudding and you post, I write aliases to put I is instead of I am, and instead of we are it is we is. And instead of are we, I use is we.

Little things like aliasing typical emotes: Laugh, chuckle, wince, gasp, dance. As well as little aliases tied in with direct commands. A good example of the last is in the Fire war vs Human Dk log. The Dk's last scan Emote swivels his head in a 360 degree rotation for scan. That was brilliantly placed. I also remember a dwarf bard that would do a quick dance, or twist, before kicking dirt. And the doll invoker that would do things before a spell like Emote draws his arm back, mimicing a bow, and arrow at . That is what he did for Flame arrow. There are 100% ways to be your race, and be your character. By saying that the racial stats, and the muds definition of their race don't matter because of your rp just seems so disrespectful. As well as confusing someone as to what you are. I have recently begun sending tells back about how "well learned." or "You has been learnt good entcha." etc etc when I see someone with 17 int talking like they have 23. I just see a huge mental difference between an elf, and a storm giant that it should show fundamental flaws. A good example is, on average, people of genius level IQ are generally more depressed strictly because they are able to grasp the full spectrum better than I can. Steven Hawking, and Me could talk together forever, but I am never going to be able to hold a stable suit of conversation strictly because I do not have that capacity in me. I am bound by a more average intelligence than he is.

EDIT: After reading this I wish to make it very clear that the int numbers I mentioned are just random numbers I picked to emphasize my point. Not at all are these guesses, or fingers, at a current character. I do not want people to draw false conclusions based on the fact they think this post is based on something a char with 17 or 23 int did.