Reccum Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 That is insanely powerful. Fire giants (highest strength in game) are not at that naked. Fgs are around 15-18 ish' date=' and around +50 ac.[/quote'] Agreed, thats why I was so surprised on how little I was hitting him. Fighting in my human form was seriously difficult, I was usually getting tooled even worse. Transforming was the way to go 99% of the time (seriously +1str, +1dex, -50ac physical resistance and togglable magic damage). Even then, you say don't autorage but I noticed the difference between haymaker and headbutt raged vs not raged....Ridiculous how much better the skills work when raged. Also I was devastation path, if I don't rage I don't get blood haze. I used roar a lot btw, and in some situations it is great, but more often than not it was not a factor (only on unbuffed low str races with heavy weapons on was it effective). I did use slightly different approaches to different fights, I would have surely developped more tactics if I stuck it out, plus Syndicate skills woulda helped out too in a lot of ways. I guess I just get really disheartened when someone beats me handily 5 or 6 times in a row, me doing seemingly worse each attempt, and that player still feels the need to grind the boots even harder by full looting each and every time. I am getting better at not caring about eq and death, but some stuff just makes me say f-it and I delete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Bloodhaze is dodge, in a better form -- you get to roar in fury like an ogre sometimes.. When you roar in fury when hit, it's just like dodge -- it just replaces it and fires the same. I would have fought with two axes (heck, throwing axes are even good) if I was going to fight a paladin. Flails work just well (and there are some very strong ones out there) and so do spears. A disarmed paladin (or weaponcleaved one) becomes useless to fight you. Paladins, however, are by far NOT the worst class to fight with a berserker. I found it rather easy with some of my berserkers to tear about some Paladins. Haymaker is your friend.. as is trip when their Goliath runs off from haymaker. Lots of things you could do. I suppose the first and foremost, in your case as it seems, was to get equipped better.. or not fight naked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbox Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 paladins/blademasters don't have blind fighting, don't fight them near water. warriors/rangers do, fight them near water because you dont have blind fighting. Keep your opponent blind, i always preferred anger over devastation because haymaker lands a lot more and is much more effective in this path. I used "sword and board" alot on my zerk. no-disarm weapon preferably axe/flail/staff and a shield will go a long way. Rage tends to be one of those things you use in fights that you are not taking too much damage too quickly. I only use rage as a finisher on my zerks, cleave some weapons, flee a bit, cleave some shields, ( people usually only have one or two of these), flee and heal up once their out of good weapons then rage, haymaker, bodyslam. I would stack damroll and ac on my zerks. you have a huge hitroll anyway so just pump damroll and ac because most of the classes you have problems with are going to be doing melee dmg, ac will come in handy. The advantage a werebeast has is he cant be disarmed, the disadvantage is just about every class has hand to hand. I think you would have done a ton better if you went with anger, devastation is nice as a werebeast because of the extra defense on top of dodge that you get to keep but you will get two defenses as any other zerk using anger and the ability to take advantage of weapon selection. I know the feeling of being undergeared and pummled 90% of the time on my last pinnacle i was in lvl 30 gear and there was always someone wanting to fight me 24/7. I can't really give any advice here because you look like a coward if you dont fight and you feel like an idiot if you do. I heard you were doing well but i never got a chance to interact with you. Zerks are a weird class that take a lot of finesse to play. Anything a zerk can do a warrior can do with much more ease. Its a shame but its the life they live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Anything a zerk can do a warrior can do with much more ease. Its a shame but its the life they live. This is why you never did great with your zerks Zerks can do ALOT that wars cannot. As a war you have these combat options: Dirt, bash trip disarms and maybe a lore Zerks have: Weapon/shield cleave dirt bodyslam trip rage haymaker headbutt roar Most of the time disarms are negated, much more often than weaoncleaves now as a war most of your pking yu are chasing with a bash, or carefully timing your dirt flee sleeps. As a zerk you should be using commands much more often, headbutt and haymaker most notably. Now given the rarity of the burnproof sockets, and how uncommon burnproof items are, your cleave is going to be more usable than a disarm. Now he moment you land a haymaker, they are going to flee. I have found that raging, then haymakering is a better tactic for mages because you have rage and a good chance to auto attack, and also rage + haymaker is only 2 round lag, so if he case a spellw hen you raged, yu lost less than 3 seconds to chase. Your skills DO get a boost while you are raged, thats why cleaves/haymakers/roars work better. that is just the class. It is alot less random than you think, you just never gave yourself the chance to learn the inricacies of a very powerful, and delicate, class. I see zerks similar to bmgs. they are not like clerics/vokers/warriors. You have to plan ****, learn to properly play the class, and use the right tactics or you will just get destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 ...blademasters don't have blind fighting... Oh, just how wrong you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbox Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 i think i did pretty decent on my zerk ( i've only played one) granted i ended up deleting him at 42 after anume told me there was basically no way i was going to get into nexus with an evil mino zerk and the fact that i didn't have enchanced damage. all in all one pdeath and about 50 pkills. At 50 this may have been a completely different story as i struggle with locating items compared to most of the pbase. You are definately right about zerks having some nice tools at their disposal, i just feel that a warrior in the same gear tends to have life alot easier, especially when it comes to re-equipping. I don't know if you've ever tried to kill a boss mob with a zerk but they dont do so hot in that area. Oh' date=' just how wrong you are [/quote'] lol disregard apparently they do. I'm an idiot. I was almost certain they didn't. lol seems like blademasters just got it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Driving a Honda is easier than driving an Enzo. I promise you once you get the feel for the enzo you will never drive the honda again. Except to do reverse donuts until the car explodes. Wars may be easier, but easier does not mean better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Anger > Devastation for a someone who will need to be more tatical. "Also paladins are not the easiest class to kill. They are built to survive, Mal healing, cure crit, sanc, lag reduction/protection, and great buffs. This class is the strongest class to survive with in my experience (**** clerics, once a cleric gets low mana, it is time to flee, pallies have charge, and melee damage to finish a fight, clerics don't)" This is the time Mana regen counts. And Paladins Mana regen is awful. You can almost get double the mana back with a Cleric than with a Paladin. PKing with a Cleric and Mana down ? Sleep off one, and Kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Kick is bad and people who use it should feel bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Anger > Devastation for a someone who will need to be more tatical. "Also paladins are not the easiest class to kill. They are built to survive, Mal healing, cure crit, sanc, lag reduction/protection, and great buffs. This class is the strongest class to survive with in my experience (**** clerics, once a cleric gets low mana, it is time to flee, pallies have charge, and melee damage to finish a fight, clerics don't)" This is the time Mana regen counts. And Paladins Mana regen is awful. You can almost get double the mana back with a Cleric than with a Paladin. PKing with a Cleric and Mana down ? Sleep off one, and Kick. How many zerks have you played Mya? And pallies have Meditation AND Trance, so their mana regen is not awful at all. I have played one paladin ever, and I died at pinn one time to Kurvikhel, which i think everyone died to Kurvikhel. I am fairly confident I know how to play one. The bottom line is with no/low mana a pally is stronger than a cleric. You cannot tell me that two attacks + kick is better than 3-5 attacks + charge, and if you try to tell me, I am not gonna listen lol. Versus ANY strong chaser in the game I am not sleeping for mana unless I have gotten away, or they are guaranteed blind (flameblind, NOT ray blind) Sleeping with someone hot on your heels when you have crap mana left is just dumb, if you have an entire zone between you sure, catching a quick tic is fine, but overall I find sleeping is a guaranteed way to get: charged/bashed/slamed/tripped/cleaved/beheaded/impaled/ whatever other good opener you want. It is also a great way for them to land a dispel, curse, mal etc etc. Clerics are strong, but they are far from the strongest class in game. I rate them top 5 at best. 1. Pallies 2. Warriors 3. BMGs 4. rangers/invokers 5. Clerics I realize that list is my opinion, and I do not include "quest" classes. I see shamans as incredibly unbalanced in the fact that they have to use the same tactics, every time, without fail and you will kill people GUARANTEED. I have not played one in 2-3 years because of that. But that is a different thread, and beast all together. shamans are just not a class I like to play because you have to play the same way every time to be "strong" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted March 9, 2010 Implementor Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Also to come back to the original thread, why does anyone delete over some jerk looting their onyx rings? That would really make me laugh. I mean, how long does it take you to get those back? It's the stuff that will take you a while to get back that is annoying to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I seem to get angrier over a lack of RP outside of I had a reason to kill you, I have a reason to loot you. I hate that crap honestly. Even if your an avatar after Undead, send out a tell about how your going to purge my blackened soul with the shining light of purity, and truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hopefully something more creative than that terrible line. I'm starting to cringe every time I hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 How many zerks have you played Mya? I have played one paladin ever, and I died at pinn one time to Kurvikhel, which i think everyone died to Kurvikhel. I am fairly confident I know how to play one. I sure played more than One My first character here was a Zerk, then I changed to paladins. Then I changed to Clerics. Quite refreshing, I no longer died Lag Locked and did not waster awful time regening mana. I loved the fact that now I could do more in Combat, but hated losing the Mystic of playing a Paladin. It's so interesting to be a Paladin from a RP point of view. Did play all of the Classes, except Qclass. Some more, some a less, like meeles . My favorite classes are Paladins, Clerics and Battlemages. The reason I Like Battlemages is the variety of option I can take. The fact that no class are like them. Mage and Meele combat all in one. And so cool, they are not sword monkeys. Who ever is dissing on Kick, never had to Use it to kill somebody. Kick is a useful tool, for some situations. I give you that it's a waste in many others. Just to make this obvious. You are a Dwarf Cleric fighting a Duergar Cleric. Your Ray costs 40 mana and deals magic damage that is constantly being saved. A cure critical costs 20 mana, and Kick costs nothing does phisical damage but leaves you laged for 2 rounds. What do you do when you are fighting a Duergar ? You kick and save mana. Use that mana to Cure. Sleep while curing, cause lets face it, 1 out of 5 you catch the tic. He laughs cause you are kicking and all running around healing. But once his mana is down... you are the one Laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hopefully something more creative than that terrible line. I'm starting to cringe every time I hear it. BINGO!!! I'm turning Quiet mode, if I ever catch someone comming at me with such a shallow RP. It gets very Stale after 5 years. Get creative, make a pun. "Come here you Walking corpse, I'm gonna shine light in you, where it never shined." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reccum Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Also to come back to the original thread' date=' why does anyone delete over some jerk looting their onyx rings? That would really make me laugh. I mean, how long does it take you to get those back? It's the stuff that will take you a while to get back that is annoying to replace.[/quote'] It is not the eq loss. I could have gotten back what I lost in about 30 minutes. It's the fact that stuff like that even happens. The guy who beat me did so many times in a row, with ease, like I barely scratched him. It just isn't fun. And to add insult to injury he decides to be a @$$ about it. Sure he can fabricate some lame RP to justify being a prick, but let's face it, it is pure OOC. He didn't like something I did to his character so he decided he would make my characters life as annoying as possible. His character did not need my eq, nor did he need to destroy it. It was a goodie full saccing a neutral. He claimed it was for the self preservation of his character....Like beating me handily multiple times isn't just that? He added the full just to be a douche. So I guess if you can't beat them, join them. I'll do what seemingly most people do, roll a bane to the person who frustrates you then try your best to conkill them. Because this game is all about squashing others into the ground so hard they cease to exist. Sure RP is important, as long as your RP follows you OOC motives. (this is not true of all of you, just most) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 From what it sounds like from this thread alone you seemed to be dying then throwing yourself right back at your opponent. You said it yourself you died 7 times in one day. Not only that but you also mentioned you were very strong even naked. Put two and two together and I can see why someone else would destroy those onyx rings of yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 He didn't like something I did to his character so he decided he would make my characters life as annoying as possible. Another interesting quote from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 From what it sounds like from this thread alone you seemed to be dying then throwing yourself right back at your opponent. Yeah, was thinking the exact same thing. Tbh, it seems like you pretty much asked for it. I mean, if I kill someone and leave few things and he keeps coming back, over and over at some point I will get annoyed and fully loot him if that is the only way to get rid of the annoyance. Also, if he has a reason to hate you for what you did to his character, then I guess he has an RP reason to kill and loot you? Since that is basicly the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 It is not the eq loss. I could have gotten back what I lost in about 30 minutes. It's the fact that stuff like that even happens. The guy who beat me did so many times in a row, with ease, like I barely scratched him. It just isn't fun. And to add insult to injury he decides to be a @$$ about it. Sure he can fabricate some lame RP to justify being a prick, but let's face it, it is pure OOC. He didn't like something I did to his character so he decided he would make my characters life as annoying as possible. His character did not need my eq, nor did he need to destroy it. It was a goodie full saccing a neutral. He claimed it was for the self preservation of his character....Like beating me handily multiple times isn't just that? He added the full just to be a douche. So I guess if you can't beat them, join them. I'll do what seemingly most people do, roll a bane to the person who frustrates you then try your best to conkill them. Because this game is all about squashing others into the ground so hard they cease to exist. Sure RP is important, as long as your RP follows you OOC motives. (this is not true of all of you, just most) This post is not you trying to voice an issue that needs addressed, i is you trying to vent. If someone killed you 7 times you should be denied as that char, or penalized (death is to be avoided). You are bitching because you died 7 times, yet 6 was ok? You ran head long into the fray hoping to get a pk. You didn't. You then repeated that 6 more times. I am sorry, but if you attack me TWICE without due cause, consider yourself looted (unless it is in cabal warfare) because honestly you deserve it. Learn to start using lockers so those Onyx rings don't cause any more rage quits/deletes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Reccum most of the players seem not to agree with you the more we gather from these posts alone. Do we really want to call out this supposed player so he can actually give his side of the story? I'd suggest we end this here then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reccum Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 7 deaths in one day yes. Did I fight anyone naked? No. Did the same person kill me 7 times? No. 6 of the 7 deaths were cabal warfare related. Ironically the closest fight I had of all those losses was to a very good player who had something to lose, and he didnt even loot a thing when I actually appeared a threat. Yes this is a vent, no I am not trying to change the system. Yes I think that about half the playerbase genuinely get kicks by seeing others totally frustrated and by beating them easily, the other handful enjoy more competitive play. I was not looking for a character who could steamroll people easily. I thought a werebeast zerk had some very cool rp potential and could also hold its own in PK. I had a ton of room for improvement, obviously, but like I said, some people here want you to improve and it shows in game, others prefer not to give you that chance. Both kinds of players can have great RP and justify exactly what they do, but the former type I find are much more conducive to a fun and player attracting environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H&R Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 My tip to you is to log off after 1-2 deaths, so that the level of frustration doesn't go too high. Then you come back strong with a clear mind a couple of days later. That's what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 There is not a single race/class combo in this game that allows you to just straight destroy someone regardless of tactics dark knight with a warlock againest a class that doesn't have protective shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Try to do that to an Ogre Warrior wielding a Bone Cane. You need to actually Outdamage them to win in a Bash lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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