All the Zealots....

[Demiterracotta]

Ok, I know I'm really new, especially to the 50 and cabal game. However, are all of the people in the cabal supposed to be stupidly blind zealots? I know we all have mortal enemies, and the lands are very dangerous but come on people. 'Blah blah blah has joined your forces'

Blah blah blah: Let's go raid/conquer/steal so and so's standard!

Is it just cutting corners so they can get promotions? I find this utterly ridiculous. Even when some of the people of my most hated cabal are on, I try to work on other things, such as events that are happening, or RPing more with certain people, especially those I hate.

What am I missing? Is this the way everyone in a cabal should act? Because if it is I recommend we make a cabal that caters to characters who wish a little peace and quiet once in awhile but have a couple enemies, we can name it lazy. And no, not talking about herald, a war type cabal that can fight anyone but maintains an intelligent reason for fighting them.

[jibber]

You don't HAVE to be a zealot, but if your cabal IMM requires that you keep your enemies cabal standard (if they're on) you better do it. If you don't, you'll prolly get a warning/reprimanded, and then kicked out for lack of usefulness.

Cabals are places of power. A clan so to say of the elitist of their causes.. and every cabal has a reason they've erected and gained the skills they have in their arsenal. Nexus wants world domination. Knight wants world peace. Watcher wants chaos among the cities and to destroy what's unnatural, while Tribunal wants to instill order into everyone they come in contact with.

While of course, Syndicate, being the only real jack-of-all-trades here, gets paid to do what people don't want to do. Gathering gold, items, all that cool stuff.

Anyhow. If you're in a cabal, you have to do things that are 'higher' than your character. Doesn't mean you can't RP your way through it all either.

[f0xx]

a war type cabal that can fight anyone but maintains an intelligent reason for fighting them.

Yes, I was like "WTF" as well.

So, basicly you want to fight only people who you feel like fighting in time when you feel like fighting?

Every cabal out there has a cabal who is their natural enemy. You want to pick your fights? Don't join a cabal. Otherwise you MUST fight your enemies.

[Demiterracotta]

Yes, I was like "WTF" as well.

So, basicly you want to fight only people who you feel like fighting in time when you feel like fighting?

Every cabal out there has a cabal who is their natural enemy. You want to pick your fights? Don't join a cabal. Otherwise you MUST fight your enemies.

I was thinking like a balance cabal at the time of typing it. I realize it sounds dumb, but a cabal whose sole purpose is to preserve the balance. 'Knight too powerful? Kill a few off.' Then watcher too powerful? Kill a few of them off. Something where you just don't go into grudge matches that nobody even remembers why they started. You just blindly hate. Now my character blindly hates the institution they fight. But they don't blindly hate people.

[Kyzarius]

the lore behind the vendettas is pretty deep.

Cabals are warlike, and have intense beliefs. If you dont want to be obligated to defend / assault someone then dont join a cabal.

Cabal warfare and the risk with it is the price a character pays for the powers they recieve.

[f0xx]

I was thinking like a balance cabal at the time of typing it. I realize it sounds dumb' date=' but a cabal whose sole purpose is to preserve the balance. 'Knight too powerful? Kill a few off.' Then watcher too powerful? Kill a few of them off.[/quote']

That idea usually works well on paper, but in reality the players will be declaring wars to the weakest cabals, instead of the strongest.

Something where you just don't go into grudge matches that nobody even remembers why they started. You just blindly hate. Now my character blindly hates the institution they fight. But they don't blindly hate people.

You don't fight people, you fight their ideology, and the fact that they represent such ideology is enough of a reason for you to kill them. Not hunting them would basicly mean you do not believe in the ideology of your own cabal at first place.

Look at it from this point of view, in real life we have political parties. Parties compete to win ellections. People vote for different parties because of their ideologies, doctrines, programmes and so on. Consider FL cabals like real life's parties, but put it in a time which it is not important who gets more votes, but who is stronger. There is no neutral. There is a majority and an opposition.

[Ali_gmud]

After reading this thread, I feel a more proud to be apart of a cabal and my reasons for being in the cabal in the first place have resurfaced.

Thanks fellas

[KRins]

the lore behind the vendettas is pretty deep.

Cabals are warlike, and have intense beliefs. If you dont want to be obligated to defend / assault someone then dont join a cabal.

Cabal warfare and the risk with it is the price a character pays for the powers they recieve.

This would be a fact I believe in...although the HUGE disparity in power between a cabaled character and a non-cabaled can get pretty tough to live with when the cabal decides they want to add you to their traditional enemy cabal on their "kill on sight" list. Poor Poor Tarim...

[f0xx]

This would be a fact I believe in...although the HUGE disparity in power between a cabaled character and a non-cabaled can get pretty tough to live with when the cabal decides they want to add you to their traditional enemy cabal on their "kill on sight" list. Poor Poor Tarim...

Getting on such list depends only on yourself though

[Demiterracotta]

Don't get me wrong guys. I wasn't complaining about having to fight someone. Or having someone hunt me down. I was just trying to state that I hate the seeming lack of RP behind most of the actions of cabals. I dislike the blind hatred that most people show. I seek a reason for everything, be it a gain to what I see as the future or at the least a 'Well since we have an ongoing feud, let's do this!' The war itself doesn't bother me, the reasons that people show for waging the war do. Bugs me is all.

And yeah Foxx, very good point. Too many people are that way.

[Kyzarius]

you want frustrating blind hatred?

play an avatar.

a good guy, who all the nature neuts hunt mercilessly.

[f0xx]

Don't get me wrong guys. I wasn't complaining about having to fight someone. Or having someone hunt me down. I was just trying to state that I hate the seeming lack of RP behind most of the actions of cabals. I dislike the blind hatred that most people show. I seek a reason for everything' date=' [/quote']

I used to be like that too. Sometimes as an E in warmaster I would see a new inductee in Savant and I would be oblidged to go directly and fight it. This is not a fault of the players though, but of our cabal system which has a built in vendettas.

There have been posts made by other players in the past who were saying that built-in vendettas are the biggest killers of RP and I tend to agree with them. This though, as I said, is not a problem created by the players. They MUST act agressive towards their enemies, that is their only choice.

[Sandbox]

Don't get me wrong guys. I wasn't complaining about having to fight someone. Or having someone hunt me down. I was just trying to state that I hate the seeming lack of RP behind most of the actions of cabals. I dislike the blind hatred that most people show. I seek a reason for everything, be it a gain to what I see as the future or at the least a 'Well since we have an ongoing feud, let's do this!' The war itself doesn't bother me, the reasons that people show for waging the war do. Bugs me is all.

And yeah Foxx, very good point. Too many people are that way.

yea i see what you mean, if you join a cabal is because you agree with their ideaology same reason you become catholic over budhist or whatever. Its up to you to decide what kinda catholic you want to be, but in this world the gods are real and they can ex-communicate you per say on the spot.

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[Archbishop Monk]

I don't think he is saying he hates vendetta's. Just the way in which it is spoken, said, rp'd in game. Sure I hate the enemy cabal. But I still try to maintain my own personality beyond the humdrum of "Hey. Char X is on and I in X cabal we've warred against."

[Croyvern]

Seems this would depend on your RP and cabal. I would wager a cleric of tranquility in savant will never be harassed by even his peers for not seeking out an enemy cabal member. Outside the compassion, and tranquility religions, I do not believe there is any excuse a cabaled character could use for not seeking enemies standard. Seriously, I have this hard childhood so I join battle for companionship among others with mindsets like my own. I dedicate my life to honor, battle, and loyalty to my clansmen. I am honored for this by being asked to join the inner circle, the Warmasters. At this time, the Savants are my sworn enemies. It is not some new thing someone threw at me, my clansmen who were warmasters have mentioned it, I knew it would come. If I do not weaken my enemies when I see the chance, or better yet, if I do not strike when chance to deal damage is greatest, than am I truly the greatest warrior? Now ofcourse we all run short on time once in a while, and we must leave without engaging our enemies, it happens. But patterns of such behavior very rarely result in promotions. I sugggest that a man can be patriotic without being a zealot, I know this is a novel Idea, but it is completely possible to roleplay with words instead of swords.

[English lad]

I've played two Sigils and never really been a zealot on either of them - but then my two praetorians were both all out brawlers. RP how you see your character, and enjoy what happens. What i have always seen as more of a problem is that most people in cabals are trying to 'win' with their character. This is a RP game, and in my opinion having interesting and involving RP is winning. If you RP your character as something other than a cookie cutter zealot - and you get RP consequences for that its a good thing as far as i'm concerned.

[Croyvern]

I've played two Sigils and never really been a zealot on either of them - but then my two praetorians were both all out brawlers. RP how you see your character' date=' and enjoy what happens. What i have always seen as more of a problem is that most people in cabals are trying to 'win' with their character. This is a RP game, and in my opinion having interesting and involving RP is winning. If you RP your character as something other than a cookie cutter zealot - and you get RP consequences for that its a good thing as far as i'm concerned.[/quote'] Bravo.

[The-Nameless]

I always felt that the CTF portion of cabal warfare is what really annoyed me. It has set up more gangs, crap actions, and annoyances than anything. I dislike the CTF portion. I think it should rely much heavier on cabal armies than a flag. for example:

Warmaser, and Savant lead armies. Of all land between them, Savant holds 40% more than WM. Now with a max gain of 3 cp an hour, you can split it in half. so 1.5 each. Now Savant has 40% more, so savant gains 40% more, wm 40% less. so WM now gets .8 cp an hour, and savant gets 2.2. I am sure others could expand on this as well, but it would eliminate all that crappy standard ganging. I will think more on the idea and iron out the details.

[Croyvern]

I have not had many occurances of "ganging", those that did occur were offences by young cabal members who misunderstood the very real one on one need to get things done. It happens, I just have not seen it in quite some time. It is up to those who "know better" to pass our knowledge on, else we can not be angered when those that follow do not adhere to our proverbial game ethic.

[Aulian]

I was thinking like a balance cabal at the time of typing it. I realize it sounds dumb' date=' but a cabal whose sole purpose is to preserve the balance. 'Knight too powerful? Kill a few off.' Then watcher too powerful? Kill a few of them off. Something where you just don't go into grudge matches that nobody even remembers why they started. You just blindly hate. Now my character blindly hates the institution they fight. But they don't blindly hate people.[/quote']

This is a good idea.

The defense of 'people will just war weak cabals' is a load of crap.

I've lead many cabals and the power of players to actually decide a lot of **** is controlled by the cabal imm.

Just get a responsible player to lead, and an active imm to watch over.

Oh yeah... And mostly the better caliber of player will be making those decisions anyway, and I cant see mindflayer or nekky choosing the weak fight.

[Aulian]

Join Herald

Dont. It sucks.

Im sorry. I've tried it 3 times. It does suck.

[Aulian]

I always felt that the CTF portion of cabal warfare is what really annoyed me. It has set up more gangs, crap actions, and annoyances than anything. I dislike the CTF portion. I think it should rely much heavier on cabal armies than a flag. for example:

Warmaser, and Savant lead armies. Of all land between them, Savant holds 40% more than WM. Now with a max gain of 3 cp an hour, you can split it in half. so 1.5 each. Now Savant has 40% more, so savant gains 40% more, wm 40% less. so WM now gets .8 cp an hour, and savant gets 2.2. I am sure others could expand on this as well, but it would eliminate all that crappy standard ganging. I will think more on the idea and iron out the details.

Yeah CTF does kill the game imo.

If you join a cabal, you follow the ideology or you get kicked out. That simple. That being said, you shouldn't be forced to fight at every juncture.

I had massive fights with Morchial, but it hardly ever came to blows. Sometimes it was enough to compare how many spies we had feeding us information by revealing little interesting facts when we were talking.

Now that was RP and cabal warfare IMO.

Some times it did come to blows but that was much less interesting as a bmage and druid are pretty much stalemate.

Yes I like posting multiple times instead of doing one big post. Yes I am lazy.

[Twinblades713]

Yes I am lazy.

Wtf are you doing back here? (Gimme a hug ya midget with a ranger staff. <3)

[Celerity]

I also strongly dislike CTF. It kills RP, not promotes it.

I'd like to see a lot more things done by planning. You sit down, think of a strategy---a way to get at the other cabal. You come up with a good plan, send the note out to the IMMs and start doing it IC. IMM can drain whatever resources needed from you/your cabal and then the IMM goes to the other team and makes them react somehow and suddenly you have a conflict. This wouldn't kill the PK at all because you can still attack opponents online. What it DOES do is give an avenue for viable play outside of sheer PK force.

Mindlessly capturing and retrieving the standard is one of the things I hate most about playing FL.