Drow (male) clerics

[f0xx]

Now that we have Lolth as religion, I believe male clerics should not be allowed to take that religion and any male cleric should be automatically outcast if he choses to be a cleric (and follow a different religion other than Lolth).

[mya]

Is there even a Male Drow Cleric of Lloth ?

[Kyzarius]

Now that we have Lolth as religion' date=' I believe male clerics should not be allowed to take that religion and any male cleric should be automatically outcast if he choses to be a cleric (and follow a different religion other than Lolth).[/quote']

1st off, lloth is like a sub religeon, you can follow another and choose to ALSO follow lloth.

2ndly it shouldnt be hard coded the RP that effects male drows, they should be able to overcome the social stigma through good roleplay..not be slammed with it by a physical feature of the game.

[mya]

All I remenber is Nyra, the only Lloth Cleric i have seen.

And now 2 newbie male Discord Clerics.

[f0xx]

1st off, lloth is like a sub religeon, you can follow another and choose to ALSO follow lloth.

2ndly it shouldnt be hard coded the RP that effects male drows, they should be able to overcome the social stigma through good roleplay..not be slammed with it by a physical feature of the game.

First off, the point is not about following Lolth or not. The point is about male drow clerics. Lolth is a female goddess that supports females ONLY. A male drow cleric that communes to Lolth is OOC.

Secondly, it is possible to overcome anything via good roleplay. This change will not have any affect on PK. It is a pure RP tool. We recently had a half-elf monk who was turned into undead and made outcast. This is basicly the same thing.

[jibber]

I agree that they should be immediately outcast (or gain a new set of titles such as: the outcast of Lloth, the Male Bitch of Lloth, etc). I think it is cool though that you're able to now choose a religion, and if you're drow, are prompted to choose Lloth as your communing god, but still get the religious coolness of another god.

As Nyra, I didn't have that choice.. and didn't get a good holy hands until AFTER I was pretty much finished with her. Thanks Zhokril for hard coding one in, finally

[Imoutgoodbye]

*sniffs the air* Did Sepahoona burn someone again?

On a side note, I don't want to see male drow lose a choice.

Take Drizzt for example. I know he's not a cleric, but he's also a male and for some time there has been rumors that HE is Lloth's ultimate creation of Chaos. And make no mistake, Lloth is a deity of Chaos.

Besides, we'd rarely see any Drow above ground and for only small raids if we did what Lloth wanted. Weirdos. o_O

[Twinblades713]

I'm still inclined to agree with f0xx.

[Anume]

Drow society is matriarchial. I suppose any male drow not (at least officially) worshipping Lloth would get killed instantly.

[jibber]

But a drow male communing to Lloth would be just as bad, if not worse off for the one doing it. It would be blasphemy for Lloth to even ALLOW a male to commune in her name.

[f0xx]

What does this has to do with Sepahoona? I don't even know her religion...

Anyway, as I said, Lolth is a female goddess that communes to females only. Drizzt being a male warrior (?) has nothing to do with the subject.

You want to play a drow a Lolth drow cleric, you must be a female.

You want to play a drow cleric with different religion you must either be an outcast male cleric, or an outcast female cleric.

You want to play a male cleric, you can't be a follower of Lolth.

In this instance, being OUTCAST should have no other affect than the little tag before their name.

This will good from whatever side you look at it, since:

1. People who play mostly for PK will not care whether their drow lolth cleric is male of female

2. People who play mostly for RP will have another subject to exploit.

3. People who play for both will be able to create some unique RP (everything is possible through good RP and I won't mind seeing a male Lolth cleric, but that should be an exception that can be achieved only through RP).

[Imoutgoodbye]

*frowns* So, what, are we switching to a straight D&D system?

A male drow (who Lloth can't be bothered to even look at) isn't allowed to be a cleric of ANOTHER religion without being Outcast? Is this what you're saying?

You...you...you keep your hard coding away from my RP. Take the Lloth option away if you want, but don't you touch my RP.

[Kyzarius]

*frowns* So, what, are we switching to a straight D&D system?

A male drow (who Lloth can't be bothered to even look at) isn't allowed to be a cleric of ANOTHER religion without being Outcast? Is this what you're saying?

You...you...you keep your hard coding away from my RP. Take the Lloth option away if you want, but don't you touch my RP.

This is what I say.

That and currently, you can choose to follow lloth while being a member of any of the religeons..or so I thought when I made my most recent male drow.

[Grishnak]

In this instance, being OUTCAST should have no other affect than the little tag before their name.

Wouldnt it be just as easy to eliminate the drow hometown option and force them to recall to Miruvhor/Rheydin? You accomplish the same thing without having to jump through as many coding hurdles. How would we as the entire world know that XXXX drow was outcast from the drow society? Why should that be announced to all of Aabahran?

[f0xx]

Did I ever mention anything about recall points? Why do you bring this subject? People love putting words into my mouth.

I just think it is wrong to have male drow clerics who commune to Lolth, when in reality (if it can be called that) Lolth won't even look at a mere male...

[Kyzarius]

Did I ever mention anything about recall points? Why do you bring this subject? People love putting words into my mouth.

I just think it is wrong to have male drow clerics who commune to Lolth, when in reality (if it can be called that) Lolth won't even look at a mere male...

and what do you say to those who currently play male drows who rp serving lloth and hearing her guidance, and being influenced by her yochtol*sp? They cant do that? invalid? error?

[f0xx]

I will be honest, I don't know. I don't even know

[Grishnak]

You are talking about drows being banished from the "drow" society and OUTCASTED. A hometown is more than a recall point, it is where that character calls home.

Removing the hometown option from drows who do not worship Lloth (and you are saying that male drow clerics shouldn't be able to ever worship Lloth) effectively outcasts them from drow society.

Therefore, I didn't put a single word in your mouth, I just looked at your idea in a way that is more RP and less code.

[f0xx]

You are talking about drows being banished from the "drow" society and OUTCASTED. A hometown is more than a recall point' date=' it is where that character calls home.[/quote']

You are talking about being exilement, not outcast. Those are two different things. Exilement is being done by the authorities (tribunals), while outcast is being "done" by the society.

And "hometown" is more like "birthtown".

[Imoutgoodbye]

Drow society is matriarchial. I suppose any male drow not (at least officially) worshipping Lloth would get killed instantly.

I think the words you are looking for are "grovel" and "subserviant".

[Enethier]

Hmm.. I have Drow of the Underdark (d&d drow guide) on me..

drow society is matriarchal. the men are little more than pets, slaves, and breeding tools.. BUT.. they still worship lloth and STILL benefit from her powers. The examples they give for Cavestalkers, Dread Fang of Lloth and Arachnomancers are male. and in order to be an arachnomancer, you have to be a cleric first...

sure, the women are the high priests, but that doesnt bar the men from worshipping lloth, or from being priests themselves, so long as the dominance is kept. thats how i see it at least.

[mya]

Well FL is not D&D, or else i would be playing mages.

But I like the Idea of Male Drow Lloth Clerics being shuned upon by other Drows.

This is a great RP rule of thumb.

[Cephirus]

I would say it should be an imm/player based decision. I would agree that if we are moving forward with Lloth as a more major component of the game, that we seriously think about limiting options for male communers amongst the drow. If we are going to make them a matriachial society, then the traditional RP should be as such. Now, this does not mean that you could design a well thought out story to somehow have earned Lloth's favor and been granted power from her to commune, but I think it should be solely on that basis. Thus, if you choose a male drow cleric, you can choose another religion, still worship Lloth, but expect there to be consequences for drawing her wrath, should she find your blasphemy against her wishes.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Why does everyone make Gods (especially D&D ones) out to be so fickle? They've changed much since the Time of Troubles when Ao told them their power was linked to their number of followers.

But enough of that tangent, as this is not D&D, though somewhat similar.

Drow society is largely accepted as matriarchal. We all tips our hats to Mr. Salvatore, thank you for the ecology of drow society. This is cool. This is fine.

However, if a drow were communing with another deity AND still worshipping Lloth, it would be as it should. All drow to the Mother of Chaos.

Now. If you want to STOP male drow from being primary Lloth worshippers, fine. But they should still worship her, but not draw their power from her.

[The-Nameless]

What does this has to do with Sepahoona? I don't even know her religion...

Anyway, as I said, Lolth is a female goddess that communes to females only. Drizzt being a male warrior (?) has nothing to do with the subject.

You want to play a drow a Lolth drow cleric, you must be a female.

You want to play a drow cleric with different religion you must either be an outcast male cleric, or an outcast female cleric.

You want to play a male cleric, you can't be a follower of Lolth.

In this instance, being OUTCAST should have no other affect than the little tag before their name.

This will good from whatever side you look at it, since:

1. People who play mostly for PK will not care whether their drow lolth cleric is male of female

2. People who play mostly for RP will have another subject to exploit.

3. People who play for both will be able to create some unique RP (everything is possible through good RP and I won't mind seeing a male Lolth cleric, but that should be an exception that can be achieved only through RP).

So, you deny the use of D&D references when they contradict your beliefs, but the moment they generate something that you can use to your advantage, you are all over the gravy train? You argued, quite adamantly, that D&D is not FL lore, and what they think about drow will not influence your opinion of Drow lore. Now that it has points that support your idealogy, you are going to quote it? I say start paddling up **** creek with that idea, stifling a char who could potentially have some of the best RP in the game because he wanted to be a guy? Yea. You have fun with that.