equipping..

[Hegemon]

Wow. I'll refrain from comment on that one, Jibber.

[jibber]

I said almost all of the playerbase, if you read more closely. And with that little remark, I imagine you're one of the 4-5 people who stick around to fight me.

[cookiecutterbox]

Hi everyone, long time reader, first time poster. Now, I know everyone's all peeved about gear and that fun stuff. Getting looted, whatever. Let me tell you though, try being on OUR end. You see, I remember a few months ago when all the goods had all the elite gear, logging in in packs, killing evils like it was a style going out. Now, you all complain about this or that, not being able to kill geared people in your crap suits, whatever. I recall a few weeks ago, I was killed, full looted/saced (yea, we get full saced btw, unless we're REALLY fast) and my standard was in the hands of a paladin. This paladin wasn't DECKED like Valkynsra, but when you just ate a full sac, he was pretty much untouchable. Bounce on top of that some other things, and let's just say it was an uphill battle. Guess how that ended? I won, I didn't quit out like alot of people do. I'm not saying quitting out is bad or anything, sometimes, you're screwed and you're not going to get a chance to get geared without logging in when there aren't enemies on. I've had to do it cause I have this rad flag that says Outlaw/Wanted/Undead/Kill Me on Sight. Rare purges won't really change things. Valkynsra logged in naked, look where he is now. Philantees logged in naked, look where she is now. Mephisoleer logged in naked, look where he is. Caesendara, yea you see where this is going. Seriously, it's getting old. You want the gear, take down the big guys. Put together a crap gear and go balls to the walls. You'd be surprised how many fights you can win when you stop giving a ****. Oh, and I can't speak for all the baddies, but I tend not to loot people. That doesn't mean when you die, run your mouth off at me, cause everyone knows what happens when you do that, I take my gear off and drop it. No I'm kidding, I'll kill you again

[Mali]

Hey it doesn't matter to me about the eq... But I still don't think people should play more than two characters.

[Croyvern]

I said almost all of the playerbase' date=' if you read more closely. And with that little remark, I imagine you're one of the 4-5 people who stick around to fight me.[/quote']Oh I am so coming for you. Beware the one who seems most insane. Especialy considering you have rank on me, gear on me, and told me to avoid you! ROFL

BTW I have been outnumbered 8 evil pinns, and me nonpinned and still did not leave. But then, I am special(handicapped).

[jibber]

Think I know who you are. I try to make it a habbit not to go after anyone who isn't at 50. And to those who say, "Oh no, bull!", it's not. I've done it once, and it was due to a lot of special circumstances

[Imoutgoodbye]

Think I know who you are. I try to make it a habbit not to go after anyone who isn't at 50. And to those who say' date=' "Oh no, bull!", it's not. I've done it once, and it was due to a lot of special circumstances [/quote']

That's okay...I'm pretty sure I'm not too far under him....I'll get him.

[Nekky]

Ironically.. everyone here complaining about rares (or at least most of them) log off when someone with rares logs on.

You're not going to get rares by logging off.

At times, I log on, and half, if not all of the 50 playerbase log off immediately. Do they expect me to just drop all my stuff and sac it all for them to have a chance?

Nah.. they expect a rare purge, because they think that'll help them to get back up with the big guns because they're too lazy to try and PK with what they got.

And you know, I'm not against a rare purge, but it better be for the right reasons (and not for reasons of people not being decked, because they log off when they see trouble). If there's a rare purge, expect me back up on top in a matter of days.

It's easy to be smug about people logging off, and being 'lazy' about PK when you're playing a very, very powerful race/class combo who also happens to be loaded with rares. I'm not saying you didn't earn your rares, or that you have no skill in PK, because you do ... but honestly, there has been a tone of sarcasm and smugness in your last few posts in more threads than this one that I think is pretty unnecessary.

I obviously agree that skill is the most important factor in PK, but you still have to recognize that there are hard coded mechanics in play as well. The saves and other attributes granted to a person by the gear they have is one of those mechanics. I also believe that any class can take out any other class, but it is also a mechanic that certain classes are just tougher to beat than others. Combine a tough class with a big disparity in the level of gear, and you have a pretty hard fight to win, no matter how skilled either side is. Unless there is a certain equality between your hit/dam and the other person's -ac, your melee just won't hit hard. Similarly, unless there is a certain equality between your spells and the other person's saves, the spells just won't land. This is irrespective of skill.

A few thoughts on why people log off from you:

These are not personal pot-shots, just some ideas.

1) Your character is one of those characters that it is not only hard to kill, but also hard to even get away from once combat has started. This is due to both your skill as a PKer and the attributes of your class.

2) Dying to your characters is usually an unpleasant experience. They always seem to be arrogant, and very belittling. You can be sure after dying that there is going to be a decent amount of smack being talked, and you're not always sure if it's the character or the person behind the character. I'm not saying you breach RP or go OOC, just that people are angry that they died, and being taunted and harassed doesn't help. I know the argument can be made that you're evil, and evil characters are nasty by definition, but there are ways around having to be nasty all the time.

3) People are still getting used to having less rares than they are accustomed to. Once they've died, people right now are viewing re-equipping as a daunting and impossible task. I'm sure people will start to get used to the way rares work now and start worrying less about having great gear before they dare to step into a PK. Just give it some time.

I suppose my point is, it's not just as easy as "kill the guy with the rares".

[Hegemon]

Nekky, thanks for that. A fine post indeed.

[Reccum]

Heh, Jibber doesn't go after pre pinns. I guess I was the ONE exception, and I don't recall there being any special circumstances there...

Anyway I think there should be a rule on the forum equivalent to flamers for e-dick wavers. If I can't flame someone for being 100% trash without getting a ban I don't see why someone should be allowed to brag about how great and fearful they are without the same time-out.

Why are there still people who pretend that equipment doesnt make a big difference? And why is it often the people who have all the best items that say it too?!? Sure noone is unkillable, but we are just being naive and ignorant if we pretend being uber decked in a world without rares is not a significant advantage.

Oh and for all of you who are waiting for that fateful day to take down the big bad wolf, I'm sure you will all be sorely disappointed when he just uses Life Insurance and then laughs in all your faces.

[jibber]

ROFL.

The reason I'm so 'smug' is because I'm getting flamed and pot-shotted by all of you, and belittled on the forum, because I seem to be doing a good job. My posts may come off as arrogant, but most of them are to be viewed (hopefully) as helpful. The last few times I've posted, I've had people throw the, "Get a Life" card at me every chance they got.

I'm not flaming back. Nor am I waving my e-dick. That's pretty childish for someone to even believe that. And since all of you are having such a blast with shooting me down whenever you get the time (and no, Nekky, your post didn't shoot me down. You were honest.) I'm going to continue being as smug as ever.

And once again, Reccum, I'm not getting into what happened between my character and yours, since, ultimately, it was taken care of and should not be brought back onto the forums.

AS FAR AS MY CHARACTER GOES -- I'm an evil, undead, ghoul who eats people to sustain himself. I'm also part of Nexus (which is the Rift, or the gateway into Chaos), and also the Elder of one of the most manipulative, and arrogant, and proud freaking sub-cabals ever. The Pandemonium.

There, I said it people. Not like you all didn't know already. Yes, I'm Valkynsra.

[The-Nameless]

RE: Reccum

The reason decked people say gear is not a hug edifference, is because all of them/us started out in the same practice sword, and padded battle vest you did. How did they/we/you get l33t gear? You tripped for it, or pked for it. Now if you keep it, you are going to collect MORE gear. It does not take a genius to realize that gear is a factor, not the equation. So what about life-insurance. If you fight someone 1v1 who has insurance that is good. That means they fear you. If you kill them, that means they have much less cabal points. Keep killing them. Chew at their savings, shred at their confidence, and when the day comes they are dead and your the owner of a fat pile of loot you will quit bitching about gear. Til then your gonna be the guy who goes on trips for gear.

RE: Nekky

Gear is a decent factor I COMPLETELY agree. Fighting stupidly decked Cabal E qraces is also no fun at all. It is disheartening since rares are being reduced, but those same worldslayers are still rampaging the pinn range because they already have that fabled suit of legend. Good news is, your gonna get your piece of the pie, and it will have whipped cream on it.

[Hegemon]

"The reason decked people say gear is not a hug edifference, is because all of them/us started out in the same practice sword, and padded battle vest you did."

That was 49 levels ago. There is a reason they don't use it now.

"How did they/we/you get l33t gear?"

It was easier in the old system.

"You tripped for it, or pked for it. Now if you keep it, you are going to collect MORE gear."

Yes, you'll collect the scraps others managed to collect. But not if it is not available. Checked out Kesrick lately?

"It does not take a genius to realize that gear is a factor, not the equation."

Yes, much like a factor of x2 or x3 or x4 will make that starting "1" a lot more potent, won't it?

"So what about life-insurance. If you fight someone 1v1 who has insurance that is good."

Not for me, it isn't.

"That means they fear you."

That means they have enough cps to hedge their bets.

"If you fight someone 1v1 who has insurance that is good."

No, no it is not. You lose, you get quasi-fulled. They lose, they still have their things and kill you and make SURE to full you.

"If you kill them, that means they have much less cabal points."

I don't think they are sweating it.

"Keep killing them."

I'll get right on that.

"Chew at their savings, shred at their confidence, and when the day comes they are dead and your the owner of a fat pile of loot you will quit bitching about gear."

When the day comes, indeed. Nobody is bitching, you take out of our NEUTRAL comments about game mechanics whatever you will.

"Til then your gonna be the guy who goes on trips for gear."

That is the point, it's not there.

I won't bother with the comments to Nekky. They are already a 180.

[Reccum]

RE: Reccum

The reason decked people say gear is not a hug edifference, is because all of them/us started out in the same practice sword, and padded battle vest you did. How did they/we/you get l33t gear? You tripped for it, or pked for it. Now if you keep it, you are going to collect MORE gear. It does not take a genius to realize that gear is a factor, not the equation. So what about life-insurance. If you fight someone 1v1 who has insurance that is good. That means they fear you. If you kill them, that means they have much less cabal points. Keep killing them. Chew at their savings, shred at their confidence, and when the day comes they are dead and your the owner of a fat pile of loot you will quit bitching about gear. Til then your gonna be the guy who goes on trips for gear.

I'm not bitching about gear. I used to care a lot about it, in fact I've deleted characters because of losing godlike sets. I have reached a point now where it doesnt matter to me. I truly do not care if I am decked or not.

What I AM bitching about, and what I will ALWAYS bitch about is players that use RP as a vehicle to be jerks. A major reason FL does not grow is because a lot of you constantly OVERKILL. This makes most people annoyed and not want to play. FL is a fantastic game, but time is our most precious reasource in real life. If someone constantly has to put in hours to get to a point where they can compete and then get undone totally in minutes then eventually they will say #$%* it and go do something else.

To grow a game like this EVERY player matters, it is a snowball effect. Look at the General Discussions, how many players has this game lost because of exactly what I am talking about, OVERKILL.

Moderate Pk didn't work because of the restrictions of Cabal Advancement. It is very ironic because most who should play moderates and dont probably wont ever hold a full set of rares and make E or L anyway. They continue to make hardcore characters because they believe that with enough effort that maybe they could achieve a godsuit and an E. I am a perfect example of this, but in the end I just lose interest because of the utterly fruitless ratio of playing:being overkilled

Jibber. I think you are an excellent pker. I think you are an average rper. I think you genuinely relish the frustration of others.

Note: This is just my opinion and I do not pretend to be an authority on PK, RP, or Class. I have my own ideas of what they all are but I don't expect any of you to agree.

[The-Nameless]

Moderate Pk didn't work because of the restrictions of Cabal Advancement. It is very ironic because most who should play moderates and dont probably wont ever hold a full set of rares and make E or L anyway. They continue to make hardcore characters because they believe that with enough effort that maybe they could achieve a godsuit and an E. I am a perfect example of this, but in the end I just lose interest because of the utterly fruitless ratio of playing:being overkilled

You know why those people don't make moderates? They want glory, they want riches, they want fame.

Ask twinblades about his first pk fodder, I mean shaman.

Ask L-A about his first zerk

Ask Kyzarius about his first Cleric

Ask Toten about his first vamp

Ask me about my first invokers (I CONDEATHED a voker in 180 hours ffs)

The reason we can rebound, and are continually well armed/decently cabal ranked is because we took our licks, and kept coming back. We got full looted, we got destroyed, we lost it all, we broke keyboards, we flamed chars on forum (some of us ). The bottom line is we stuck here to be the best. I don't wanna play some nancy WoW crap. I wanna play something that makes my adrenaline pump. Nothing gets you going like a close pk where you KNOW your risking 100 hours worth of pking, trips, and RP on what could turn into a loss very fast. You wanna say your an example of a bad mentality? Your wrong, your the foundation of a new breed of PK monstrosity. Your the beginning of jawdropping RP, and novel worthy descriptions. Can you deal with being turned into concrete before we can sculpt you is the question.

[Zhokril]

You guys are making me want to roll another mort.

[jibber]

Jibber. I think you are an excellent pker. I think you are an average rper. I think you genuinely relish the frustration of others.

You're definitely entitled to your own opinions, but I'd like to be sincere here. Next time you meet me, with whatever character you're playing, do your very best to genuinely RP with me.

I don't know how many chars I've RPed with you on, but I can guarantee on all of my characters I RP as best as I can. And I doubt, if I had average RP, I would have earned all of the qraces/qclasses that I have, and excelled in all of the cabals I've been in.

Have you RP'd with any of my 'goodie' chars? Do you KNOW who my 'goodie' chars are/were? I can assure you they don't relish in the frustration of evil/good/neutral. They're usually very.. what's the word...

DIFFERENT.

I get the feeling a lot of you have decided that the interactions you've had with Valkynsra (when most of you are good/neutral/at war with me) map out my RP and how I am as a player in this game, when you're only seeing one side of it.

[Croyvern]

Jibbers Crusader was well liked and long lived. And Jibber, if I said anything that seemed like a potshot at you, I apologize. Your style of play rp/pk IS top notch, and those who are complaining, are doing so through broken teeth while sittin on sore rears. Forgive their anger, it will pass in time, probably as soon as one of them gathers their "god suit" and you hand them their arse anyway. Good luck.

[Imoutgoodbye]

You guys are making me want to roll another mort.

Are you sure you want to come down amidst this squalor?

[Dizz]

Hi everyone' date=' long time reader, first time poster. [/quote']

Join Date: Jan 2006

Location: Portland, Oregon

Posts: 78

Shenanigans!

[Croyvern]

Join Date: Jan 2006

Location: Portland, Oregon

Posts: 78

Shenanigans!

Awesome. I thought I was the only one who said that.

[L-A]

+1 to what Nekky said. I'd go as far as to say a bmage is one of the classes you MUST be setup to deal with or you will get hurt.

As for rare vs non-rare: You have 60 lives and you'll only learn more as you fight in non-rare gear. Get your consumes sorted, get the non-rares going and form a strategy, test it, revise it and keep going. There is more to PK that the 'get hit/dam and pray for overpower/ strategy that has emerged with too many 'god suits.' Honestly, when I've seen giant sized lagging melee's who don't bother to use dirt but simply spam bash/bodyslam hoping theirt hit/dam will do the job (which you can easily defeat) it tells me basic PK strategy needs a tune-up pretty badly. Ironically even when dirt and they start lagging the bet is the tick goes and they make up the damage via lagging skills - it got old fast on my last lvl 50 warrior (although I never once died to this tactic and could 100% make anyone run when I was setup correctly. The times I had to run were only because of my own corner cutting in the setup).

I can put up how to kill a bmage if someone starts the thread - class included. I've had the class at lvl 50 and its very robust - but like all robust classes once you dull the weapons and start to apply pressure you can get the job done.

Part of winning these encounter is understanding the 'perfect' scenario and then if you don't have it going for 'next best' in order to make something happen.

Most importantly - you need the experience in PK and fighting the classes (even if you've done it before) by the time you get the god suit. If I fought someone fifteen times in non-rares and got better everytime despite my eq, when I GET the top tier eq my strategy is set, I'm practiced and ready to go. You die faster when you're working it out even with good eq rather than following a plan with bad eq. Its why so many vets say get out there with sh!t eq and just do it. You might die but you can start to correct the basic errors with very, very little risk of losing much (depending on the rares you play with).

Its not pretty but pure grit has won more PK battles than the emerald sword. Pick up your balls and get on with it. You have 60 lives and if you learn something on every one and apply it in all future battles Virigoth himself won't be able to stop you.

L-A

[cookiecutterbox]

Join Date: Jan 2006

Location: Portland, Oregon

Posts: 78

Shenanigans!

Hehe, less than half of those posts are on regular forums. The majority are prayer/shout outs. I try to stay away from the general public. Besides, it was mostly a sarcasm thing in the beginning, then I realized whoa, this is actually kind of a serious situation.

[f0xx]

3-4 pages in 8-9 hours, not reading all but I see Jibber getting a bit high, perhaps it's time for lockage?

[jibber]

Hey f0xx.

Read the posts. You'll notice everyone has been civil.