Zebeyryna

[Reccum]

Meh.

Seems no matter WHAT I play I simply cannot take defeat well. One full loot and I pretty much want to delete. I think I am just going to stop playing altogether. I live in a beautiful city and the summer is upon me, maybe I'll go learn the guitar. I play way too much FL so if I have a hope of stopping it will be cold turkey.

Thanks to the imms for letting me try a drow monk.

I have had a lot of bittersweet moments over my last bunch of chars from Grawrer and Zoix, to Mayier and Caezix and the few utter failures inbetween.

I just don't think I can have as much fun here as I used to anymore.

Goodbye FL.

[f0xx]

Bah...

Come back soon.

PS. Grawrer is a legend.

[Mindflayer]

A full loot can really take the wind out of your sails. I thought your monk was an interesting character. What did you lose skill wise? I have a feeling you lost staff..

[Djriacen]

Dude, please don't go. Your characters are awesome, and I think we would have been good friends

[H&R]

Wow, Zebeyryna was awesome. I thought you were a pansy roleplayer with a drow monk. Man, I was mistaken

[The-Nameless]

**** man come on. I loved talking with Hes... Zebeyryna;) But seriously stop playing outlandish race/classes try playing a base race/class and learn the game a bit better. I dunno what you lost going drow monk, but if it was not crippling loss that combo had some seriously nasty potential. But you try very hard, and get things to make others jealous (I would have killed for a nexus mino zerk) and then you just flop them off in a week or so. It is disappointing honestly. Your not going to get better if you keep pinning and deleting with 10 deaths, you just wont get better. You have to play through to condeath a few times, or you will be like me. I can make a great char, I get to pinn get slightly bored, and want to make something else. Or I get frustrated over a stupid loss and play another char. I myself have decided to condeath everything I play from now on because of the work I put into my creation and RP alone. To give you an idea why me, and mindflayer, started around the same time. Been here the same amount of time. He is leagues better than I am because if you roll through his char histories they either live forever, or get very close to condeath. He simply learned more than I did with each of his characters. If you continue to just let one instance cause you to get angry, then this prolly is not the place for you. Play ADOM. You die once in that game your dead. No lives, nothing. Just a new character. You get 60 lives in fl not so you can be immortal, but so when you die, you can learn from it and raise yourself above. I bet the first time you got bashlocked because prot shield fell you never forgot to check the duration on that spell again did you? The first time you forgot to fully stock consumables you lost because of no sanc or curatives, I bet you never forgot those again. This game is about getting the tar knocked out of you, loving it, and moving on. You cannot expect to come into a came with people who have been doing the same thing for 8-10 years and jump right into the top. There have been rare occurances where a player came here, and was above average, klemkin is a good example, but for the most part people who stop by in our sadistic corner of the internet get trounced for a bit, then eventually they piece strats together, and make them work.

I wish you luck in life, and when you roll another char do a base race/class. No apps, none of that, and go through the ranks of Barbarian in Warmaster. This choice will put you in fights against everyone in the game, and teach you to use consumables. DO NOT SKIMP CONSUMABLES. The game is so competitive right now you will burn through 20-50 cure spell-items in just a normal pk, and your opponent will too.

[Reccum]

The problem is I can be perfectly calm and tell myself all the stuff you guys are saying and believe it. Then bam I die and get fulled and I want to throw my computer down a flight of stairs or something.

I thought a basic non power race/class that could condie would help. I rolled a human warrior specifically for Warmaster. I didn't even make pinn before getting fulled by Valkynsra and going so far OOC that I got denied. This is an example to illustrate my own rage as a person btw, not me taking another potshot at jibber. (since those always get magically erased anyhow, hey is Mr. Clean an imm? )

Regardless of whether my characters require apps or not the outcome is always the same, I do well for a while then I get pissed and abandon it.

I should probably play moderate tier characters that are not eq dependant like invokers or communers but I do not think that would be much fun and I do not think anyone could ever convince me to play the smurf tier.

I just don't think I have anything more to gain here, the frustration and anger outweight the fun for me. I am also spending far too much time in a virtual world and it is unhealthy. I have had a T in each cabal and I have pinned almost each class, I know I have posted quitting threads before but this time I think I mean it.

It is just TOO personal for me. What happens in FL spills over into my life and it should just not be that way.

[The-Nameless]

We have all rage deleted characters. All of us. The trick is to tighten the saddle a bit, and get back on the horse. To throw it away because of loss, and frustration, is oyu wasting your time. A human warrior was going to cause you frustration. I do not mean make a puppy to fight demons, but make something that is not eq dependant such as a caster. DO NOT get cocky. Go into every pk thinking your gonna get rocked, and be conservative. I can guarantee a few things about your pks Reccum, and please take this as constructive because I am not taking shots at you at all man.

1) You do not fully prep for fights. So your not putting up armor, shield stone skin flesh armor bless (where applicable) Frenzy, enlarge AT LEAST those.

2) You do not stock cure items. Having those nifty hearts will make or break a pk, you can look at pk logs at the difference it makes. Solec's logs show that quite effectively

3) You run in straight lines. If you run from rheydin to Val Miran I do not even need to hit where, I just run there and it comes down to who knows the directions better. I promise I know them better (as do all the vets).

4) You do not use lockers for nonrare gear. When I have nothing to do I make a locker bag. It will have enchanted armors, basic weapons, alot of consumables (this is for when I die I can get right back on a pk, or if I runout I have a stash of them)

5) You play balls to the wall which CAN work, but alot of the time it can put you in dangerous positions in a dangerous game. Me, and Hit and Run are examples of playing balls out. Sure we have gotten some epic wins, we have taken some dumbass losses too.

6) Your playing your class in a pk, but not the other persons class. Sure a warrior you dirt, then warrior lore, then disarms/lag where applicable. But what will that cleric your fighting do when you disarm his nodrop shield? He will flee heal and wait for dirt to wear off. So shield disarm seems good, but its a guaranteed way to get someone to flee from you. Your skills are at most 50% of a pk, the rest is the other player. I also believe your placing to much emphasis on a single skill. Grawrer would be an example of this as you chose to use push ALOT, it is effective, but the moment someone could nullify it you ran into trouble so you are not adapting to a situation, your merely trying the same thing over, and over from my experiences. You should look over your loss logs more than you do, because you are going to start identifying exactly when you started losing, you can then make the choice if bashing while losing was a good idea. Or tripping while being outdamaged. You should also expirement with eq combinations. There is no perfect suit for pking, and there never will be. Every suit has a weakness. Be it a thief, an invoker, a warrior with better weapon CHOICES, not necessarily better weapons but he chose them more effectively.

I would recommend reading the essays and listening to what they say. Alot of them have advice that will get you to be an above average pker IF YOU LISTEN. Reading the zerk essay, then autoraging in your fights is not going to help you. Just saddle back up, and roll something that you do not have to app for. You burn up your patience waiting on an app to get approved/denied, and then your decreasing the life of your character.

[Anume]

If you really want to leave, please cabal leave and remove rares if you have still any.

As to why "pot shots" got removed, flaming is against the forum rules. Sometimes we overlook something but that does not mean it is fine to do and might well result in a forum vacation for the poster.

[Reccum]

I do not take your constructive criticism poorly, but I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I never had a mino zerk in Nexus for starters. Also I OFTEN use all the consumables abailable to my class and usually do fight with armor/shield/stone/bless/flesh armor etc etc...

I also thought you had me mistaken for someone else when you talk about my running. I can get around almost anywhere. I seldom die to being chased down unless I am paralyzed or blind and have no clue where I am. The reason I died to a paladin was my own fault, I got away from him and then my own hunger and thirst killed me hahaha, that is why I was extra pissed.

It didn't help that after he sacced all my stuff he says to me IC that he would not have actually killed me. That REALLY burned me up. Great so had I not escaped him I'd have been mercied and kept all my stuff. ARG!!!!!!!

Anyway, Nameless I am a vet, there is NO doubt about it at all. It is not a lack of knowledge that is preventing me from excelling. You did however hit the nail on the head with patience. I have very little. And I do often burn out just waiting on apps. Especially since I log a LOT of hours, I always want things to happen faster. And even with a full set of enchanted mundanes and 1.5 million gold in my locker I still want to rage delete after a death. I guess that shows it is not just about the eq. I take losing personally and I'm do not deal with it well here or IRL.

Like you said in your previous post, unlike someone like H&R who can keep bouncing back, I cannot. And thus I have wasted countless hours on chars with great potential. I see the trend and for my own sanity I need to stop it. I told myself with this one it would be different. I had a goal with Zebeyryna and I was going to make it happen!!! That was until I got pked and fulled, hah. So clearly if I cannot take a single death well I am never going to be the rat queen.

I appreciate the time you put into these posts, I know this community is small as it is and is wanting for competitive players but...I am sick of rage deleting everything I touch and clearly I cannot help myself.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Allow me to put it to you.... I mean give it to you...I mean...awww, to hell with it...it's not gonna sound right no matter how I put it to you....

Take it from someone who's been there for 9 years. Only you get to decide how much you get out of this game. Ride it until the wheels fall off or toss it aside if you're done with the character. It's up to you. Took me a long time to figure out I didn't give a flying rat's *** what everyone thought about me or my characters. I am what I am.

That being said, take some time off. Think about the moderate tier. Think about what you want from this game. Every choice has a consequence. Which one's less for you?

[Celerity]

Sometimes it is hard to do, but remember that this is a RP game and dying isn't always 'losing' and killing isn't always 'winning'.

The only real ways to lose in this game are to go OOC or prematurely stop the character. On the flipside, the only real way to win is to play a character out for her worth.

If you take a death and a full-loot, sure it isn't very much fun and you need to spend a lot of time equipping again, but there is something that is way less fun: doing the same thing, except from rank one and untrained.

If you are raging, you need to log out and take a minute to think WHY you are raging. Was it your fault and you are mad at yourself? Did they cheat or do some underhanded tactic? Was it just a fluke or a run of bad luck? Or maybe the game mechanics were just so heavily stacked against you. Who knows? Critical thinking WILL calm you down fast.

More than likely, you know what went wrong and how to fix it, but you feel frustrated because things usually don't look like they were going to get better soon after you were killed/looted. If you think some mechanic is stupid, the RP was paper-thin, or some other complaint, go to notepad and write out a prayer post. Come back and look at it in a day or so and see if it still looks good to post. If so, do it.

Raging in game doesn't make you feel better, doesn't make them feel worse (for you spiteful people), and ruins your OOC reputation. Nothing good, everything bad, and you know it is just stupid.

On the other side of things, all of you who back up your arrogant, punk RP with "that is what my char would do", stop rolling all your chars as bloodthirsty, down-talking, full-looting egomaniacs. I'd really like to see some of you PK-heavy griefers roll a character who doesn't have the central theme of 'superiority'.

But I'd actually like to see good RP to give much stronger PK benefits so we don't have this kind of (see , kill/loot , IC/OOC gloat at , EQ/consumable hunt or search for next or just log off) action.

I mean, think about it, how many times have we had cabal wars where less than 5 tells were exchanged. I'm also guilty of this. That could be an hour of pking with 5 lines of RP development thrown in somewhere (sometimes half-ooc, dead-end RP: Pathetic. You shouldn't be in ).

Time is generally better spent prepping for PK than RPing. It is also much, much easier to RP if you hold the PK advantage. We worry so much about PK balance that we forget that it is the nuggets of RP (hidden between the endless PK battles) that makes this game interesting to most of us, not just the mindless PK. That is what helps us to aim for that 1000 hour mark on a character.

RP should be rewarded so much greater than it is now and weak RP should be punished much more than it is now (especially when coupled with heavy PK). PK needs no external reward/punishment because the code already takes care of it.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Heh......Celerity's making me get all hot and sweaty. Please, keep talking like that.

[Djriacen]

I dunno if this will help, but I have the same problem, man. Look at all of my characters.. over 30 masteries, but I delete them when they're still in prime

It's a complex people like us need to get over. I've recently set a delpass with everything I roll, just to make it a habit, and before getting angry -i'm not sure if you smoke- but go smoke a bowl.

[Kyzarius]

full loots do suck, and I still point to them as the biggest reason we lose players, and fail at retaining new ones.

Why cant people just play nice hmmm

I liked all of your characters, and am sorry to see you go.

[jibber]

Next time you get full looted (if you get back up, and I hope you do), think of it this way before you post to the imms to get denied: I just put x amount of hours getting approved as a drow monk. I spent z more amount of hours getting to 50. It took me y amount of hours to get what I had. Where y would definitely be less than x or z, if you just type "quiet" and get back to equipping, it'd take you less than an hour to get back to a prime where you can fight again.

And trust me, been where you are. I've deleted over full loots. I've gone major OOC over them too. As soon as you decide that you've put way too much time into the character to throw them away over losing everything, is when you'll start sticking around.

Hope this helps.

[Mindflayer]

Sandbox was Emertis

[Mindflayer]

Me and mindflayer started around the same time. Been here the same amount of time. He is leagues better than I am because if you roll through his char histories they either live forever' date=' or get very close to condeath. He simply learned more than I did with each of his characters.[/quote']

Why aren't you a sweetheart I also had a good six years on Abandoned Realms (FL's older brother) prior to calling Forsaken Lands home.

[The-Nameless]

Why aren't you a sweetheart I also had a good six years on Abandoned Realms (FL's older brother) prior to calling Forsaken Lands home.

I played a mud with nearly identical code for about 5 years before I came here as well. So our mudding experience is roughly the same, but FL has enough variations from both my starting mud, and AR, to not really matter. We still had to learn the lands, the pk, the cabals, the gear, the consumables, and the tactics

[Aulian]

1) You do not fully prep for fights. So your not putting up armor, shield stone skin flesh armor bless (where applicable) Frenzy, enlarge AT LEAST those.

2) You do not stock cure items. Having those nifty hearts will make or break a pk, you can look at pk logs at the difference it makes. Solec's logs show that quite effectively

Wow I never do either of those.

5) You play balls to the wall which CAN work, but alot of the time it can put you in dangerous positions in a dangerous game. Me, and Hit and Run are examples of playing balls out. Sure we have gotten some epic wins, we have taken some dumbass losses too

Lol I always did this. I find that if you're not prepared to die, you'll never kill players like Wyslign, Covus, Sinerath, Messalantha or Brendyn ect.. at the height of their power. I found I'd often win when I just thought - hell screw it, I'll probably die but atleast I'm going to hurt them so bad they aint ever having children.

I've also had huge rage deletes/ooc spats. I can remember on time on Ghadryn, I had just finished what I consider my 'god suit' for a druid, and I was fighting two Tribunals at once. Not really paying attention to my thirst/hunger in battle and / to keep it under wraps I managed to make one of them crawl away and kill the other with like 40 hp and 0 mana left.

Stoked at the fight and not needing anything I just left the corpse and wanted to get out of there ASAP. I can honestly say I had no intention to loot because I felt I was much better equipped and at the time a better player then they were. Lo and behold, as I enter the dwarf forest cue hunger/thirst damage stage right and I died.

Lets just say they left me naked. And I spat the dummy.

Its happened to us all. The delpass advice was gold. I'd have half as many pinnacles if that wasnt used religiously by myself. Also something I found to help a bit is just go nuts on an alternate character. All in non-rare eq. Take a break from your main. Run around and wreak havoc. Helps a bit. And if you die, meh who cares. Its your dieing alt.

[Reccum]

Sometimes it is hard to do, but remember that this is a RP game and dying isn't always 'losing' and killing isn't always 'winning'.

The only real ways to lose in this game are to go OOC or prematurely stop the character. On the flipside, the only real way to win is to play a character out for her worth.

If you take a death and a full-loot, sure it isn't very much fun and you need to spend a lot of time equipping again, but there is something that is way less fun: doing the same thing, except from rank one and untrained.

If you are raging, you need to log out and take a minute to think WHY you are raging. Was it your fault and you are mad at yourself? Did they cheat or do some underhanded tactic? Was it just a fluke or a run of bad luck? Or maybe the game mechanics were just so heavily stacked against you. Who knows? Critical thinking WILL calm you down fast.

More than likely, you know what went wrong and how to fix it, but you feel frustrated because things usually don't look like they were going to get better soon after you were killed/looted. If you think some mechanic is stupid, the RP was paper-thin, or some other complaint, go to notepad and write out a prayer post. Come back and look at it in a day or so and see if it still looks good to post. If so, do it.

Raging in game doesn't make you feel better, doesn't make them feel worse (for you spiteful people), and ruins your OOC reputation. Nothing good, everything bad, and you know it is just stupid.

On the other side of things, all of you who back up your arrogant, punk RP with "that is what my char would do", stop rolling all your chars as bloodthirsty, down-talking, full-looting egomaniacs. I'd really like to see some of you PK-heavy griefers roll a character who doesn't have the central theme of 'superiority'.

But I'd actually like to see good RP to give much stronger PK benefits so we don't have this kind of (see , kill/loot , IC/OOC gloat at , EQ/consumable hunt or search for next or just log off) action.

I mean, think about it, how many times have we had cabal wars where less than 5 tells were exchanged. I'm also guilty of this. That could be an hour of pking with 5 lines of RP development thrown in somewhere (sometimes half-ooc, dead-end RP: Pathetic. You shouldn't be in ).

Time is generally better spent prepping for PK than RPing. It is also much, much easier to RP if you hold the PK advantage. We worry so much about PK balance that we forget that it is the nuggets of RP (hidden between the endless PK battles) that makes this game interesting to most of us, not just the mindless PK. That is what helps us to aim for that 1000 hour mark on a character.

RP should be rewarded so much greater than it is now and weak RP should be punished much more than it is now (especially when coupled with heavy PK). PK needs no external reward/punishment because the code already takes care of it.

I agree with most of this. Looking back over my history I have not raged or deleted at every death/full loot. I have had some amazing deaths and some expected fulls that did not deter me at all.

If my character has history with someone that includes betrayal for instance then I can undestand a full loot. If I have beaten someone badly repeatedly and they finally get me, they deserve to full loot if they want. If it is an intensly close fight in a cabal war then you sometimes NEED to loot hard so they dont come back and kill you/retrieve a standard right away.

What drives me off the wall are full loots in situations where someone won really easily, or someone makes a stupid mistake and dies, or someone loses link. I was fighting some cleric for instance, I wouldn't even stay in combat since I noticed the poor guy was dropping link every 3 rounds, and he wasn't even really losing either, heh. I especially lose it if they start to gloat through that paper thin RP you mentioned.

Sure it's been a day now and I'm over it, but I'm not one to come back to characters. Despite how much time I put in to them, when I post it it's because it is done. So what am I supposed to do? Pretend this never happened and get back in game? That's bad for my pride. I could make a new char, but even with exp bonus, I sure don't want to start from scratch. I could unshelve my drow bmg or my dwarf blm, but meh, I always find that so akward. I have another lvl 50 from a while back that could be fun, but then I ask myself is it worth it when I am just going to jump through the exact same hoops?

It just aggrevates me to no end because this game can be AMAZING. We just don't have enough players for it to be intricate enough anymore. It's just a bunch of 1v1 fights, usually against a decked elite player who has everybodies number. There is very little incentive to RP, from my perspective it took way to long to get my app approved, it was like my RP was punishing me. Sure some people get a nifty title here and there but so what? In the long run if you want to "win" which frankly DOES mean kill and not die, you need to spend all your time prepping to fight. The only rewards I have ever recieved from my RP were feeling good about having a unique interaction with someone. Every accepted APP and every Cabal entry nod I ever got was because I waited long enough.

At this point I don't even know that the game will improve. I can try my best to make every moment meaningful and RP deeply with people but it is just a matter of time until PK comes around and then I am forced to cheapen my RP with short fast responses because I'm trying not to die to someone who I have never even met. Please note I am not claiming I am a better rper than anyone, or that I have never attacked someone in this way. The game MAKES you do it. The more I keep writing here the more I am just realizing that the con's outweigh the pro's for me. I genuinely think that with such a tiny pbase, some major alterations in the way we prepare for battle need to change. I think I am going to start a poll about it actually, once I gather my thoughts.

[The-Nameless]

Well you don't need to stock curatives when you get Herb.

[H&R]

Reccum, I think you need to play a powercombo for once and kick some serious ***. It sounds like you need it I think with your PK and evading skills, you can even manage a dk. If you die and get fulled with a dk, you just pick up the best weapon(s) in the game and be right back into it. How does a demon dk sound?

[Reccum]

To be honest H&R that might feel good once or twice, but it is the opposite of what I really want to do. I get the most enjoyment from close interesting battles that come down to tactics, not steamrolling someone with a near unstoppable power combo. I would want both the winner and loser to have a good feeling about the encounter and not have the loser set back so far.

If Celerity is right that winning is having a long lived character, or condying trying, then how do we get everyone to do that?

I know I am not the only one who has never condied, I know that the vast majority tend to delete/shelve/disappear mostly between 75-150 hours.

So why are people not playing it through? We all seem to have more or less the SAME frustrations. It's the feeling of pouring your heart and soul into something only to see it ravaged in a moment. It leaves you dejected and angry usually.

Kudos to the few who actually slowly and steadily condie something. The rest either condie super fast (total noobs), or delete out of frustration (the majority) or lose interest in LONG lived characters who were not even close to condeath (elites). I feel bad for all 3 categories, the noobs who get reamed and don't know why and leave, the middle group who really want to have fun and compete and can almost taste it now and again but still get steadily rolled, and even the elite who probably suffer extreme boredom when they log their Uber decked Elder that they know they wont die with ever and watch everyone log off.

In a perfect FL I think every single char would condie, and that is what I am going to think about now. How can this become the norm?

[KRins]

It cannot and will not ever be the norm. To die 61 times requires a. idiocy, b. complete balls out playstyle, c. dedication to a game well beyond most people's dedication to their job, or d. some fusion of the above.

VERY rarely do people condie because most all of us delete at a perceived middle finger from someone else's in game actions or we delete at an ACTUAL middle finger from someone else's in game actions. Rarely, myself excluded, do people just decide this isn't worth doing anymore. I'll continue saying it until the day I can no longer type. ENFORCE THE RP! Not just reward those who have taken it upon themselves to become a "great" fighter via a text based game...