Good stuff

[samag08]

Copied and pasted from another website, lol.

Dear President Obama:

I’m planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you

to assist me.

We’re planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. Into Mexico, and we’ll need your help to make a

few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.

I’m sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President

Calderon, that I’m on my way over?

Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. Please print all Mexican government forms in English.

4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico , but, I don’t plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won’t

make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone,

please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. Flag from my house top, put U S. Flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic

celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any

business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about

me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

14. I want to receive free food stamps.

15. Naturally, I’ll expect free rent subsidies.

16. I’ll need Income tax credits so although I don’t pay Mexican Taxes, I’ll receive money from the

government.

17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov’t pays $4,500 to help me buy a new car.

18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I’ll get a

monthly income in retirement.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the

U..S. From Mexico . I am sure that President Calderon won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

[Twinblades713]

Epic.

[Mali]

Nah... its not like that. This is over-exaggerated and uninformed, to say the least. Nice try though

[jibber]

I doubt it's meant to be completely truth, but there is some truth in it. It's meant, mostly, I'm sure to pick at Barrack (as everyone picked at George W) and simply make fun of our immigrant policies.

[Twinblades713]

Nah... its not like that. This is over-exaggerated and uninformed' date=' to say the least. Nice try though [/quote']

How can you over exaggerate something?

[Mali]

I over-exaggerated your sister.

[mmajunkie]

It isn't that exaggerated. Illegal aliens that come here do get free handouts from the government very easily.

[Pali]

Nah... its not like that. This is over-exaggerated and uninformed' date=' to say the least. Nice try though [/quote']

I've seen similar lists popping up in various places lately. The whole immigration scare both amuses and depresses me, honestly.

[samag08]

Well put Pali.

[Dale]

Well fricking said my friend.

And yes nearly everything on this is true, fools.

Mexicans come over here and take advantage of so much crap, including many facilities that even we don't have the priveldge too. My wife works at the DSS building here in Beaufort and you wouldn't believe half the stories I've heard.

I worked for a company that was full of (all legal) mexicans, every single one of them claimed 10 kids on their tax forms so they still didn't have to pay taxes. No car insurance, which is stupid if they get into an accident their fault or not they just run away.

[Mali]

Mexicans this... Mexicans that. Great way to generalize an entire people. Some individuals abuse the system, some people don't. This can be explained by government inefficiency rather than mexican initiative. These problems are not unique to mexicans. In this case they seem like a convenient scapegoat for you all though.

In fact, with the U.S fertility rates below replacement level combined with an aging population, we are in need of young workers to pay into the system. Otherwise, we risk the collapse of social security and other benefits that have worked so far only because the proportion of american youth was much greater than that of our elders.

The solution to the immigration problem is to find a way to help immigrants find success here, so the majority of immigrants can pay into the system rather than use it as a crutch or evade it altogether.

[Kyzarius]

Nah... its not like that. This is over-exaggerated and uninformed' date=' to say the least. Nice try though [/quote']

isnt that the conservative policy?

to exaggerate uninformed claims and call them truths?

[Pali]

isnt that the conservative policy?

to exaggerate uninformed claims and call them truths?

Sounds about right. It's definitely the Fox News policy.

[mmajunkie]

--originally posted on my phone...editted--

[f0xx]

EVO 4G?

Oh, now I'm jealous.

[Dale]

I don't have anything against the general population of Mexico.

But the ones that come here and just rape our system really gets under my skin. In my eyes they alone are responsible for the recession.

[samag08]

I would not say they are responsible for the recession. That goes back to the quacks who started the "everyone deserves a house" thinking. No one was bright enough to ask if they could really afford one to begin with. I do agree that the large population of -ILLEGAL- immigrants is a further burden on an already fiscally irresponsible system(both parties)

[mmajunkie]

we don't have an immigration problem. Immigrant is not synonymous with illegal alien. Immigration is a wonderful thing. I'm on my EVO right now ill post more later.

You know why generilization works? Because GENERALLY can be proved by statistics. The illegal population is something like 55% Mexican.

Do I think every Mexican person in this country is evil or should be deported? Not at all. But we simply cannot have such a "who gives a ****" attitude.

ILLEGAL alien...ILLEGAL immigrant...does the word ILLEGAL not mean anything anymore? We stare at these numbers and yet nothing really gets done about it. When a state decides to....now wait a minute cause i know this sounds crazy Mali...PASS LAWS to take care of ILLEGAL immigrants...you want to argue about it?

People, GENERALLY mexicans, come to this country wanting to make a better life for themselves. As an American I am all for that and I'd be the first person in line to help them out. As an American, all I ask is that they to it legally and pay taxes and work for what they receive.

If you are too poor to live in Mexico and you want to come here and be poor and work under the table and use my tax dollars to feed your kids? You can go to hell.

We need to stimulate our own economy and our own youth, as well as LEGAL immigrant youth, to be able to provide a future for this country. Opening our gates to anyone and everyone to come here freely and use tax money to support themselves while GENERALLY they do not support our country back...that is not the way to pay into the system, as you say. Our system is paying THEM while they wait in Home Depot parking lots to make 10 bucks an hour under the table to drive nails for the first redneck who picks them up.

I've worked with Mexicans before in construction and they are some of the hardest workers you'll find. I'm all about that...but they need to pay taxes, register to vote, and altogether complete the legal immigration process before they can expect me and most of the American population to be happy about it.

[Twinblades713]

isnt that the conservative policy?

to exaggerate uninformed claims and call them truths?

Don't claim they exaggerate the truths of which you're uninformed.

[Pali]

ILLEGAL alien...ILLEGAL immigrant...does the word ILLEGAL not mean anything anymore?

The thing about laws is that they are not immutable, nor are they perfect (I conduct illegal activities on a daily basis that I see nothing at all wrong with, and there are plenty more currently illegal activities that I think should be legal). I fully agree that we have serious issues regarding illegal immigration regarding what to do with all these people - however, these issues seem to be almost entirely drowned out by ignorance, fear-mongering and misrepresentations of the facts (for example, the worrying about illegal immigrants being criminals is simply not based in reality at all - they have a lower crime rate than white America does, largely explained by them being so worried about being deported that they won't risk committing other crimes). However, considering that the American media relies almost entirely on the ignorance of the citizenry, fear-mongering and misrepresentations of facts because they make more money this way by sensationalizing stories... I'm not surprised that this is the general narrative.

I'm all about that...but they need to pay taxes, register to vote, and altogether complete the legal immigration process before they can expect me and most of the American population to be happy about it.

So... how about we just make all the people who are here illegally... no longer here illegally? Unilaterally grant them all citizenship (or at least resident alien status) with no penalty for being here illegally until now, get them into the system so that they're paying into it as well. After all, that's what you want them to be doing, right?

P.S. Twin, you're right, conservatives don't exaggerate the truth. They make up their own. (This is a joke... with the exceptions of various members of the Republican Party, the Tea Partiers, and pretty much the entire Fox News organization)

[Twinblades713]

Didn't we already have one or two amnesties? D: It just let a bunch of people snag some SSI that never paid into the system. Wonderful organization there.

That aside, Pali actually entered the conversation. Anyone who is willing to dedicate the rest of their life to this topic must do so now to have the last post in this thread.

[mmajunkie]

I am hardly ignorant or a fearmongerer.

A law is a law...just because you choose to break the law beacuse YOU see nothing wrong it, doesn't make it any less of a law. No, of course the system isn't perfect...but people bending and breaking the rules as they see fit sure doesn't help.

You want to grant them all citizenship in one fell swoop? I've got nothing against that. Be my guest, as long as they start paying taxes and contributing to the economy and this country.

The point I made is that we have to stop turning a blind eye to it as a country and just letting the blatant crimes happen. Fifteen mexicans standing around in a home depot parking lot waiting to get picked up so they can work under the table is something that happens EVERY day in countless cities. You think the local law enforcement doesn't know about it? Of course they do.

This isn't saying all illegal aliens here are murderers and rapists, so don't try and mislead the point.

[Twinblades713]

You want to grant them all citizenship in one fell swoop? I've got nothing against that. Be my guest, as long as they start paying taxes and contributing to the economy and this country.

And make up backtaxes, or else be limited on Social Security Income later- based on years of input.

[mmajunkie]

I believe there should be a fine, yes. Backtaxes would just be a huge freaking mess. Make them pay a $5,000 fine which grants them citizenship, provided they can pass the legal immigration procedures. Our freaking immigration practices don't exist to just take up space. $5,000 x however many million illegals there are here would be a nice lift.

[Pali]

I am hardly ignorant or a fearmongerer.

Nor did I call you either. My apologies for not making it clearer - those statements were observations of the general level of the national debate on the topic, not of the posts anyone here has made (though Dale's come close).

A law is a law...just because you choose to break the law beacuse YOU see nothing wrong it, doesn't make it any less of a law. No, of course the system isn't perfect...but people bending and breaking the rules as they see fit sure doesn't help.

People bending and breaking the rules is the only thing that gets bad rules changed. Sure, we can hypothesize all we want about whether or not (to continue with my personal example) the illegal status of weed is a good idea or a bad one... but best way to actually know that it's a bad law, and the best thing that actually motivates people (particularly people who are not guilty of the act themselves) en masse to try to change a bad law, is knowing that this bad law is actually harming people right now, and in particular that the law is doing more harm than the thing being made illegal would. This is the only reason any social justice movement in human history has succeeded. Empathy is a powerful thing, and hypothetical constructs don't engage it - real world examples do.

And no, Twin, I have no interest in getting into a discussion on what to do regarding illegal immigration. The immigration issue isn't one that I consider myself engaged in - I can understand various positions on the subject, but I don't know enough about the real world situation to come to much of a conclusion regarding what I think a course of action should be. My issues are with the way the discourse is being held (which is on a mostly emotional level), not the conclusions people are drawing.