restring < qrace

[Croyvern]

I would like to distinguish the difference between qraces and restrings in order to try and make a point. As many of us know qraces are granted certain abilities that assist in their overall game play by aiding their abilities on the PK side of the game. While this appeals to many, others seek a greater depth of RP so may actually choose to go for a restring in order to play the kind of character they really desire.

"We know Croyvern, whats your point?"

Well, the trouble that I have is over the last ten years I have considered several potential characters, only to cast the grand Idea aside because of the fact that there is a gray area between restrings and qraces. For instance; playing a vampire and keeping with their RP, almost requires the assistance they aquire from their qrace in order to assert their domination. This could be considered true for most Undead actually. However, what if a player desired to play a lower form of undead such as a skeleton, or disembodied eyes? While the would be vampire seeks to command great power, lower forms of undead generally seek only to serve some greater cause. For this the latter lower forms do not need the assistance aquired from the qclass. In truth, they would need little more than a restring. Currently, it is my belief that if you applied for a restring as a "lower form of undead" you would be denied and likely instructed to apply for the greater qclass. I think this stifles RP, and places emphasis on PK, I would like to know if any of you have faced and or overcome similar issues created by the seperation of restrings vs. qclasses. I look forward to learning from your experiences, please share.

[Kyzarius]

I do not see how obtaining a qrace/qclass implies a greater focus on PK. I also have trouble seeing the divide between PK and RP to begin with. PK is the act of killing other characters, RP is the act of acting out your character in game.

Isn't it redundant to even designate between the two? You could have a vampire that doesnt like to kill, for example. I have seen vampire heralds in the past even. You could play an undead, be restrung to a ghost, and go about yelling boo if you stuck to hit enough.

Qrace/Qclass do recieve tools that allow them to influence the game in different ways, they also experience natural enemies that make the gameplay a bit tougher. On top of this they have vulns as well. There is nothing, however, that says you have to be a PK pro to play one.

PK is part of RP, it is your life carried out in game. A part of the world your characters exist in. Aabahrn is a violent and chaotic place, where striking someone down for their views is not uncommon. Isnt your characters preference for killing, or lack there of, to achieve their goals part of their RP?

[Volgathras]

I do not see how obtaining a qrace/qclass implies a greater focus on PK. I also have trouble seeing the divide between PK and RP to begin with. PK is the act of killing other characters, RP is the act of acting out your character in game.

Isn't it redundant to even designate between the two? You could have a vampire that doesnt like to kill, for example. I have seen vampire heralds in the past even. You could play an undead, be restrung to a ghost, and go about yelling boo if you stuck to hit enough.

Qrace/Qclass do recieve tools that allow them to influence the game in different ways, they also experience natural enemies that make the gameplay a bit tougher. On top of this they have vulns as well. There is nothing, however, that says you have to be a PK pro to play one.

PK is part of RP, it is your life carried out in game. A part of the world your characters exist in. Aabahrn is a violent and chaotic place, where striking someone down for their views is not uncommon. Isnt your characters preference for killing, or lack there of, to achieve their goals part of their RP?

Very well put, brownie points for you.

In regards to rejection of an undead-like restring, you must also take in to account that this could be misleading. Others will assume you undead and treat you thus.

As Kyzarius mentioned, taking up a qclass does not require PK-edness, though sometimes a level of PK may be required. In fact RP is the primary requirement.

The amount of time spent watching candidates and gaging RP far outweighs that spent my other immortal duties.

[Zavero]

I can tell you from a past experience with my human ranger Wrail that was going for undead that PK is def not the major factor in qrace. My record was ridiculous. I killed almost everyone who came through on the way to 50. I had a very tight lipped RP that you would only see if you somehow broke my characters outer shell. I felt the RP was good but I didn't stand at central square RPing. It took me a very long time to get approved due to the fact that I rarely got into RP scenerios. So the PK actually hurt me here.

Then I failed the test.... Sad...

[Pali]

Considering how I've seen over the years ghouls, wraiths, zombies, and numerous other "lesser" undead, I don't see that there's much of a problem. Sure, they still went through the application process to become an undead first... but I'm sure you're able to apply for a restring afterward once you get your desc written up, or potentially during the undead application itself if you can make it clear what you are supposed to be becoming, or through other RP means. An application doesn't always have to be you specifically asking the god for something... it can be a story of events that have happened to you and are changing you. I think you're looking at how we do qraces here through too narrow a lens.

[mya]

My take on this situation is that general Undead application is a to hard and long process. (Due to my attempt on the matter.)

Common Undead are not Power Combos (hide Classes apart), and greatly aid the atmosphere of the Game.

Does anyone remembers that Undead Zerker? Wasn't he fun?

It would be great if there was some sort of incentive to lower forms of Undead. Incentive in the form of ease of application. There is no point in having rank 30 characters with 50 hours still waiting for Undead.

If someone wishes to play a Undead Invocker,Shaman,BMG and can maintain RP integrity (not doing OOC stuff) then let him.

I am sure his RP will improve to a higher standard.

Undead app should be easier than cabal induction.

[Kyzarius]

damnit MYA its INVOKER

[f0xx]

hahahahaha <3

[Croyvern]

Then I failed the test.... Sad...

Here is a Huge Point. No one ever failed a test and was denied a restring. A test is given to determine if someone is deserving of a certain privelidge. By "lower form of undead" I am speaking of a vast and underaknowledged field, overlooked because in general we envision our characters becoming great. Maybe I am the only one who thinks it would be fun to play an ignorant mindless zombie with no more intention to rule the world than he has to bathe, the "do my job so I can return to my eternal unrest" kind of undead. Thanks for your comments, they are enlightening at the very least.

[Pali]

Maybe I am the only one who thinks it would be fun to play an ignorant mindless zombie with no more intention to rule the world than he has to bathe' date=' the "do my job so I can return to my eternal unrest" kind of undead.[/quote']

So, roll up a human with that RP and apply for a restring to zombie.

[f0xx]

So' date=' roll up a human with that RP and apply for a restring to zombie.[/quote']

He will be told to go for undead first. And that is how it should be, since zombie is an undead restring.

I really don't understand what is the problem here... you want undead without doing the quest or having to wait, or you just want a zombie restring without being undead :confused:

[Croyvern]

I actually do not want to be a zombie at all. However, in your final words Foxx, I have found the gray area and see the err in my thought process. I supose if you do not get the qrace of undead, then you would not have the vulnerabilities, which would be an issue for your enemies. Thanks Foxx.

[-Totenkopf-]

This is actually how Philantees came about. My restring got denied. Eshaine made me apply for an undead race/class if I wanted it.