Farewell from a little drow named Phamane

[the_nightmare]

To be honest I never knew that I will get this far with this character, mostly because of in the begining Phamane was very weak and died of mobs six time before 50.I had a lot of fun with her, I really liked the life of the assassin because one wrong move would cost your life.There are a lot of threads in the forum that assassination is overpowered I would say that it is not.Ninja is very underpowered character for a lot of reasons.It is very easy to study people that doesn't know what they are doing, but agains others I was dead meat.I would say that thief backstab+traps+throw combo is a lot of more deadly than assassinate.I would like to see many changes about ninjas but not about assassination formula.I would like to see change of caltraps,lotus scourge and nerve.Most of the people that I assassinated once, couldn't assassinate twice because they knew how to protect themselves afterwards.

Caltraps - Really underpowered skill, it was fine before it was changed but afterwards it is VERY useless because flying characters cannot be caltraped.My idea is return the caltrap of flying characters.It is one of the only nice skills that the ninja has.

Nerve - Underpowered skill, it lowers enemies str but very low.In my opinion it should be just like weaken.Nerve lowers enemies strenght with -3 or -2 while weaken lowers it with -8.It is quite unfair.

Lotus scourge - Useless ninjitsu because while the enemy is already poisoned, lotus scourge doesn't work.My suggest is to make it stack with the basic poison.

Major props to:

Grum - One of the persons that I couldn't assassinate even once, very good character with a lot of potential in it.

Heiku - My favourite character this far, one of the few that made me laugh behind the screen.

Myrtaal - One very fast and badass dark knight that made a lot of enemies but didn't give a **** about it, which I respect.

The bride - Very well Rp'ed character that I had a lot of fun with, last days.

I am working on a new project now, see you around!And thank you for all the fun I had on this character.

[mmajunkie]

Could you PM me please? I'd just like to know a little about you. You have -really- impressed me and I don't even know who you are. I'm boggled.

[f0xx]

Could you PM me please? I'd just like to know a little about you. You have -really- impressed me and I don't even know who you are. I'm boggled.

Clean your inbox first

Now on phamane. I don't know what you mean "people who don't know how to protect themselves were easy to study." I've killed Phamane with the same character that got studied and assassinated AWAKE and in a forest in five minutes. Please tell me, if that is not OP, then what is it?

I agree on your point that ninjas are weak though. Giving them a one hit kill skill that is so easily executed is just too much. WAY too much.

People say, "If you think assassinate is OP, roll a ninja and assassinate the PB". Well, this has been done, a few times too. Skia was the first skilled ninja that I met, now Phamane is another example. How many more do we need?

[megayeah]

Ah, the insane drow. Great char. Good luck on your next.

[jibber]

You know what would fix assassinate? If study was fixed. I fought Phamane for 5 minutes, each hour successfully opening with either murder, or dirt kick, to have him flee immediately.

He kept the study from every single tick, then assassinated me.

As it stands now you don't lose study until the second or FIRST REAL round of combat. I think it should be removed altogether if you get into any combat. That means even if someone kicks you in the eyes with dirt.

Anyway, no interaction except PK. Sorry, can't say much about this character except that he annoyed the **** out of me.

[Bert]

Think we tangled a couple times over a few of my characters. Great char, I know you inspired some fear out there. Wish I was able to fight you a couple more times though.

I also have a question over your statement on "couldn't assassinate twice because they knew how to protect themselves afterwards."

One time we fought I was fully buffed, awake, could see, you weren't hidden, I just walked in to charge you and blam. What am I missing? I'd like to learn so someone PM me if there is something I'm overlooking.

[Zavero]

I played a feral Ninja in watcher that you got twice before I finally

got you. It was my first character back and I sucked but those fights def got me back into the groove. Your knowledge of the Ninja class is impressive. You got me everytime with the flee/decoy tactic.

I agree with you about caltraps. I think they want it to be realistic but it screws any melée ninja. Of course, blademasters can STILL caltrap flying opponents. Anyhow, you had an awesome character.

[mmajunkie]

One time we fought I was fully buffed, awake, could see, you weren't hidden, I just walked in to charge you and blam. What am I missing? I'd like to learn so someone PM me if there is something I'm overlooking.

Ouch. Sounds like just one of those things, ya know?

It isn't that you were missing anything....it's just that he had everything. (read a **** ton of hitroll and luck and maybe +assassinate prof)

[Bert]

As it stands now you don't lose study until the second or FIRST REAL round of combat. I think it should be removed altogether if you get into any combat. That means even if someone kicks you in the eyes with dirt.

Ahh, that explains a LOT. Now I understand the tactics. Thank you!!!

[KRins]

We had a hell of a brawl when I was trolling around on Telisore. As I recall I ended up capturing with like 30 hp left, but it was intense as hell.

[tassinvegeta]

I'm with Nightmare on this one. Ninjas now have alot of useless skills. Many of you complain that you were assassinated in a matter of minutes but are you sure when the ninja started studying you? They are afterall masters of stealth. Alot of people complain they were assassinated while awake and not blinded etc. But you have to think how many combos can't be strangled, or blinded due to saves and the ease of poisoning yourselves which ninjas have absolutely no counter to unlike thieves (whom actually have two to three counters). There would be no way to assassinate those powerful combos. Study has been changed and I find it odd people still compare the ninjas of the past to the ones of today. I've always been an advocate of weakening assassinate and study or removing it altogether however you have to look at the class as a whole and I'm actually starting to believe that ninjas are actually one of the weakest in the game now because they have little else.

[f0xx]

1. Study was not changed. What was changed was the assassinate formula.

2. I know exactly when Phamane started to study me. And she did it while she was NOT hidden, running around me.

I won't be complaining if it was a stealth assassinate. But Phamane being one of the most skillful ninjas I've ever met, was anything else but a master of stealth. That is the whole problem here. Assassinate is supposed to be a stealth tactic. I don't mind being assassinated if I get cought with my pants down. That would be completely my fault. That was not the case though.

[Pali]

As it stands now you don't lose study until the second or FIRST REAL round of combat. I think it should be removed altogether if you get into any combat. That means even if someone kicks you in the eyes with dirt.

From what I can recall, it does act this way... I'd love to see logs demonstrating otherwise.

[f0xx]

From what I can recall' date=' it does act this way... I'd love to see logs demonstrating otherwise.[/quote']

Ninjas don't lose studies that they have already meditated upon i.e. you get a tick of study, you mediate on it and if you get engaged after that, you don't lose it.

[Pali]

Not what I was talking about - I'm aware that studying isn't lost after meditation, but I'm fairly certain unmeditated studying is lost with absolutely any minor amount of combat.

[f0xx]

Not what I was talking about - I'm aware that studying isn't lost after meditation' date=' but I'm fairly certain unmeditated studying is lost with absolutely any minor amount of combat.[/quote']

Well, jibber was refering exactly to those meditated studies being kept, even if he forgot to mention it

[Balgashang]

Phamane, great char, hard as hell to pin down, Vanished/teleported/recalled alot and quickly. Was real impressed with that char, scariest ninja I had fought in a long time.

[Peras]

Well, poo, why must the characters I like die so soon after I meet them (most of the time)? I felt like I was really starting to understand this character and interact with her in a meaningful way. I enjoyed the interactions we did have, however, and the fights (even if I tended to lose them, but I don't think I've won a fight since I hit 50, so that's no surprise, really). I can't really comment on assassinate, since you never actually hit me with it. My own personal opinion would be to get rid of the ability altogether and beef up ninjas if necessary, but I've never been a fan of "instant kill" abilities in a game, no matter the planning. Anyways, wish we could have interacted more. Good luck with your next.

[Venom]

Very very strong character. I look forward your next.

[Atticus]

man....... See ya round.

sigh

[tassinvegeta]

1. Study was not changed. What was changed was the assassinate formula.

2. I know exactly when Phamane started to study me. And she did it while she was NOT hidden, running around me.

I won't be complaining if it was a stealth assassinate. But Phamane being one of the most skillful ninjas I've ever met, was anything else but a master of stealth. That is the whole problem here. Assassinate is supposed to be a stealth tactic. I don't mind being assassinated if I get cought with my pants down. That would be completely my fault. That was not the case though.

Well if the assassinate formula was changed it sounds like a good thing to me. Probably no more cheapo assassinates. Hopefully it takes more than mithril and light spears to assassinate someone.

I don't understand where you get the idea that assassinate is supposed to be a stealth skill. Ninjas simply are not designed to outmelee warriors, rangers, zerks, vampires, saders, blm, bmg. Coupled with poison brews, resistances, immunities some of these simply cannot be strangled. How in the world can a ninja stand up to them then? Imo the strategy is supposed to be an active one.

Are you sure about the study? I'm 100% positive on my old ninjas I always lost that tick of study if I was engaged in combat before I could meditate upon it.

[f0xx]

Are you sure about the study? I'm 100% positive on my old ninjas I always lost that tick of study if I was engaged in combat before I could meditate upon it.

That's what I said too, didn't I?

Ninjas don't lose studies that they have already meditated upon i.e. you get a tick of study' date=' you mediate on it and if you get engaged after that, you don't lose it.[/quote']

i.e. you DO lose the study if you haven't meditated upon it. How hard it is to get the study and come back in town to medidate ot it though? And how many ticks of study do you need to get a full study?

[tassinvegeta]

Oh I gotcha now. About your other question that depends on your race and proficiency of study. Don't remember if your opponents race is taken into consideration when the amount of study is involved.

[Bert]

I don't understand where you get the idea that assassinate is supposed to be a stealth skill.

With lethal speed, Ninja strikes from the shadows and +++ ASSASSINATES +++ you!

I know its just a message. But that is where I got the idea it was a stealth skill.

[tassinvegeta]

Lol.