Stormies and Fires

[f0xx]

Swords- you said almost all 2h...correct. Though 3 I can think of are amazing and 2h

Polearms - can never be 1h? Hello Steelfeather

Exotics - Soul Forge is 2h I believe?

Maces- Ancient sceptre, power hammer...great maces

Unless you were trying to talk ONLY about 2h weapons....there were some holes in your information :-)

Goodies dude

[mya]

"Ancient sceptre, power hammer...great maces" 1handed

"Steelfeather" Viry fixed so that no polearm could be used in 1 hand ever. If it can... Overpowering.

"Soul Forge" Evil, not for Paladins.

"Swords" I hope you don't mean the High Guardian Sword...

[f0xx]

"Steelfeather" Viry fixed so that no polearm could be used in 1 hand ever. If it

Well, it is 1 handed.

The problem here is though, that you still can't use anything (shield/weapon) in your offhand

So basicly, this is the most useless weapon in the whole game

[Pali]

A giant with a venom sack will still lock a human with a venom sack.

Exactly. A giant with enlarge is bigger than a human with enlarge.

[jibber]

I perm-lagged an FG berserker with Brasar, a Storm Warrior. It's not hard to lock giants.

As far as people saying mounted combat/enlarge negating bash.. that's a load of sh!t. Get your facts straight. Sure, it'd be 'harder', but just because you're bigger doesn't mean you can't be bash locked. It simply means there's a bigger chance that it'll only lag you for one round.

Mounted combat only gives you the chance to evade a bash by a certain percentage. Enlarge does not. Luck does. Enlarge does not. Being mounted, period, does (yes, believe it or not... being mounted without mounted combat versus a warrior is a -good- idea.)

[mya]

Actually Enleage improves your chances to evade bash due to the Size change.

Never noticed any difference with being mounted (nonPaladin) vs bash.

Noticed other things, but not bash.

[mmajunkie]

There is a coded reason why you want to be mounted. It's there, whether or not you've ever noticed it

[Jedi_Donkey]

I would think that shrink would help better against bash, hard to bash something that is tiny. Go try to bash a fly, good luck!!!

[jibber]

Actually Enleage improves your chances to evade bash due to the Size change.

No, it doesn't. Being SMALLER DOES. Unfortunately, shrink is still considered an offensive spell so battlemages can't buff themselves with it.

Proof:

A halfling is hard as HELL to bash/bodyslam. But once bashed, they are lagged usually for the full amount (3-4 rounds). However, I've never had a problem bashing giants. Ever.

So...

+dex over your opponent = harder to be bashed (evades)

+size over your opponent = less lag when bashed

+luck over your opponent = harder to be bashed (evades)

-size over your opponent = harder to be bashed (evades)

If you're mounted (not talking about paladins) it's also harder to be bashed by a fraction. Then again, all the protection you need, right?

[mya]

"I've never had a problem bashing giants. Ever."

Fire Giants have 15 DEX.

This affects both DEX and AC.

Ever though that this is the reason you do not have difficulty actually landing the bash on giants? Especially if your size difference is just 1.

Try to bash a giant with a Halfling and tell me it's not harder to do it than with another giant. Then make the Giant Enlarge himself and notice your halfling miss quite a bit more.

You affected by horse, is Horse stance. Not a mount...

[mmajunkie]

You affected by horse, is Horse stance. Not a mount...

:confused:

Being mounted on a mount has a coded benefit vs bash. No one has ever said anything about being affected by horse or using horse stance vs bash.

[mya]

Ok, What code benefit?

[mmajunkie]

As Jibber stated already, it is harder to be bashed. It's not some HUGE percentage chance to evade, but it is there.

[jibber]

I'm not gonna go pasting code or continue this argument. I'm right, mya and you're unfortunately wrong.

[f0xx]

I'm right' date=' mya, and you're unfortunately wrong.[/quote']

You can't be serious? :eek:

[Pali]

I perm-lagged an FG berserker with Brasar, a Storm Warrior. It's not hard to lock giants.

As far as people saying mounted combat/enlarge negating bash.. that's a load of sh!t. Get your facts straight. Sure, it'd be 'harder', but just because you're bigger doesn't mean you can't be bash locked. It simply means there's a bigger chance that it'll only lag you for one round.

You're missing the point. The fact that giants can be bashlocked is immaterial to this - as I said before, every single combo that anyone has ever called overpowered is fully capable of being killed in a myriad of situations. Overpowered does not mean invincible or unstoppable, it just means that it has an advantage that it does not merit.

Mounted combat doesn't negate bash, enlarge doesn't negate bash, being giant or titan or tiny size doesn't negate bash... but all of them factor in to the general utility of bash being used as a combat tactic against the combo. All things being equal, a mounted elf paladin is harder to bashlock than an unmounted one. An unmounted elf is easier to bashlock than an unmounted storm giant. A mounted storm paladin would be harder to bashlock than a mounted elf paladin. He wouldn't be immune to it, and no one is saying he would be - he'd just be more resistant to it, but that alone is too much of a boost for a class that doesn't need it.

[Croyvern]

So we have taken this to the "can't bash them so they are OP" catagory. How many of you bash locked Masokant? Trust me I tried. And Tried. And eventually died. But I am not saying demons should not be DK's.

I remember discussing one of my fire giants with Malch in deep feces. Malch had an issue with my fire giant being "well spoken", he (and since he was the man at the time I had to agree) claimed that a 15 int is a retard and incapable of proper speech. If that is the case, how do you justify his kowledge of "Arcane" magic? As a matter of fact, what race with an max int of 19 or lower is allowed to learn "Arcane" magic?

And Jibber I realize that the most recent fellow to play a Storm Paladin had the mount, I was just stating that the mount and mounted combat did not exist when this combo was a base class. For that matter neither did the current "bash related" defenses the dark knights, and paladins have developed.

[Pali]

So we have taken this to the "can't bash them so they are OP" catagory.

I haven't seen anyone say this...

[f0xx]

So we have taken this to the "can't bash them so they are OP" catagory. How many of you bash locked Masokant? Trust me I tried. And Tried. And eventually died. But I am not saying demons should not be DK's.

So we are now comparing regular races with Qraces? Yep, sounds like a valid argument!

[Pali]

So we are now comparing regular races with Qraces? Yep' date=' sounds like a valid argument![/quote']

To be fair, qraces are comparable with regular races in discussions of whether or not they are overpowered - we just need to factor in that qraces have tougher demands on the player and therefore merit an increased amount of base power. That qraces are a little stronger does not make them overpowered - they need to be stronger to be on level ground.

[f0xx]

To be fair' date=' qraces are comparable with regular races in discussions of whether or not they are overpowered[/quote']

Pali? Quest races are on a different playfield completely. You simply can't compare them with the regular races (at least in 90% of the cases).

Btw since we are on the topic of storm pallies, imagine a storm avatar pally

[Pali]

Pali? Quest races are on a different playfield completely. You simply can't compare them with the regular races (at least in 90% of the cases).

Sure you can - you just compare them with the understanding that they are supposed to be stronger by a fair degree. Qraces aren't supposed to utterly demolish normal chars, they're only meant to have an advantage over them to a degree determined by the particulars of the qrace, and the only way to keep that advantage a fair one is by comparing them to the normal chars and making sure they aren't TOO much stronger (or not enough stronger).

[mya]

I'm not gonna go pasting code or continue this argument. I'm right' date=' mya and you're unfortunately wrong.[/quote']

Ok, PM me the code you think is relevant.

I will explain to you why it does not apply.

If it is something I did not notice before, and gives a bonus to bash avoidance by mounted characters with no mounted combat I will come here and say that you were right. Simple, no?

[Mmm Coffee]

+dex over your opponent = harder to be bashed (evades)

+size over your opponent = less lag when bashed

+luck over your opponent = harder to be bashed (evades)

-size over your opponent = harder to be bashed (evades)

Flying races (not magical flight) should also receive a lag-reduction bonus. I'm pretty sure avians do, not sure about faeries - I'm gonna guess not based on recent activity.

[jibber]

Yeah. I wasn't posting about every single lag resistant theory out there. But you're right, Avians do. So do some classes. But let's keep that out of this discussion