Paulo Friere

[Imoutgoodbye]

Anyone else ever heard of this guy or read chapter 2 of Pedagogy of the Oppressed The "Banking" Concept of Education?

I just find this to be incredibly fascinating and it's giving me many, many, many, many great ideas! I'm such a nerd. This is all exciting to me.

The "Banking" Concept of Education.

[f0xx]

When people have nothing better to do, they write about education and how flawed it is.

[Imoutgoodbye]

When people have nothing better to do' date=' they write about education and how flawed it is.[/quote']

It's okay if you couldn't read it. Only me and one other student in the class took the time and figured it out.

If you want, this

might help you summarize.

[Mali]

I've heard of him and approve of your reading selection.

Foxx, why don't you shut the **** up for once?

[mmajunkie]

Please don't make him :-( I'd have no one left to troll.

[f0xx]

Foxx, why don't you shut the **** up for once?

Why is this a forum if you are going to tell people to shut up?

[abghoul]

Well the last lines of the text gave ole ghoul a mean smile.

The usual situation for those oppressed and aiming at revolution needs a kind of oppression in itself to work, with time taking the shape of what they're fighting against.

My conclusion is that such revolutions can only work as personal rather than cultural revolution. (Trancendatory idealism from I.Kant comes into mind)

The moment you gather influence to reshape the political situation of society you start beeing oppressive yourself.

Sounds grim, yet this kind of opposition is what keeps the oppressive smell of most societies alive since the stone age.

(I know a tribunal guy who might be grinning right now)

[mya]

Completely gave up after reading first paragraph.

It's that bad...

[Imoutgoodbye]

Well the last lines of the text gave ole ghoul a mean smile.

The usual situation for those oppressed and aiming at revolution needs a kind of oppression in itself to work, with time taking the shape of what they're fighting against.

My conclusion is that such revolutions can only work as personal rather than cultural revolution. (Trancendatory idealism from I.Kant comes into mind)

The moment you gather influence to reshape the political situation of society you start beeing oppressive yourself.

Sounds grim, yet this kind of opposition is what keeps the oppressive smell of most societies alive since the stone age.

(I know a tribunal guy who might be grinning right now)

Aha! Precisely! The revolutionary futuristic movement requires first that the system currently in place MUST die. There would have to be an uprising, an oppression of the current system.

However, true oppression is rooted in keeping the oppressed from asking: Why? Freireian education WANTS you to ask why. It wants you to think. It develops an idea that reminded me of a river flowing in a circle. Where a student becomes a student-teacher and the teacher becomes a teacher-student. It's a great community idea, but I think some of the old system would still have to live. Let's do away with standardized testing. Let's do away with the lecturing. Let us discuss.

And Foxx, I really, really want you to read it. Over the last few months I've found myself evolving. I want to hear what other people have to say. I want to know what you think. It used to be that I would pick a point as my battleground and build a wall on it. From the other side of that wall I would pick at whatever perceived weaknesses I saw in someone else's idea and try to tear it down while defending my own. That is a terribly way to go about analyzing. The mind is made up before anything has started and it is a static philosophy that was ingrained into me under the old system.

I find myself shamed by this. It was a form of oppression on my part. Now I just wish to share my ideas and put them next to other ideas and see what I can learn when they are side by side. I may not use your idea, but I have taken it into my consciousness and given it new life in my mind.

So, please, humor this intellectual whore.

[abghoul]

Back in the days my lack of bloodsugar did mean things to me.

I lost the ability to read at all, due to constant blood poisoning by my teeth.

The dentist took away 14 teeth in one day, i had a bloody week, and after that i had the option to reshape my mind, kind of beeing reborn , so to speak.

As a kind of test i bought me a tough lecture, Immanuel Kant's "Critique of pure reason", although i am not a Kantian (and i guess that not even Kant himself was one),and as i was not forced to read it(like most students), i really enjoyed it and that guy did great things to my mind.

Analysis is tearing the things apart, relating the parts to known phenomena and putting them back together in a know shape (empirical).

This works very well in everyday life, but you dont get any answers on "Why?" that way.

Analysis actually prevents understanding the nature of a process, because its not seeking the cause, only the values.

Valek, if you dont have already, have a look at the book Gödel,Escher,Bach

Gödel,Escher,Bach from Douglas Hofstadter

Really amazing setting, i admit its a big piece of paper(data) but its fun!

Weird thing, that truth concept, seeking it has no commercial value so you dont see many professionals doing so, still i believe its quite worthwhile, personally, even if its not even found if sought eternally.

[Imoutgoodbye]

I will most assuredly check that out, Abghoul. I thought I had it bad having three teeth cut out after they abscessed...I can't imagine 14, though, they're all coming out eventually. No reversing genetics yet.

Probably won't get around to reading it until Christmas break. Juggling quite a bit already and am behind about two days in classes which comes around to needing to find another 20 hours for studying.

Again, thanks for the suggested read.