Imoutgoodbye Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 hopefully the anniversary of your unholy birth will bring with it a whole variety of necromantic powers. c 'charm person' Go make me a birthday thread. That'll cheer me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 It must suck being a victim all the time. What kind of world would it be if we had to take responsibility for our own actions and our own lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 It must suck being a victim all the time. What kind of world would it be if we had to take responsibility for our own actions and our own lives? Now, see how that worked? I judged the Catholic faith. You judged a person. Not everything that happened to him was in his control. Losing that job was devastating financially to him and his family. So, your advice would be that he find some way to fix it? Well, I'd like to tell him to lose the religion. That would be a step in the right direction. Can't be a victim when you've got a little more control over how you live your life, especially in the bedroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 You make less sense the more I converse with you. It's like the opposite of Pali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 You make less sense the more I converse with you. It's like the opposite of Pali. I blame it on the antibiotics and the inhaler. God, holding this gunk in for ten seconds is murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 We're going into a discussion on religion and you don't want that, since we already know religion is only an excuse and/or a tool to manipulate those with weak minds. Excuse to go to war, excuse to kill or excuse to have children you can't afford. Yes, I know this was very blunt and direct and I know it will offend a lot of people, but truth can often do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 You know... I can agree that religion is a powerful influence. Any influence is a tool though... you use it incorrectly, bad things happen. That being said, I haven't found a good reason to disagree with the Ten Commandments. You have to believe with some version of intelligence... not blind sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 That being said' date=' I haven't found a good reason to disagree with the Ten Commandments.[/quote'] Uh... having no other gods before God, not worshiping graven images, and keeping the Sabbath holy don't strike me as particularly inspired bits of moral thinking. Also, many mothers and fathers are not deserving of respect, even from their children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadon Xiloscient Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 This thread = LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Where do you live Liadon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadon Xiloscient Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 O__o' Michigan? EDIT: All the stuff I'll say in the forums is on my profile. Well anything involving me in RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Having 3 kids is not wrong. It should be the objective of most of the western population. We are not over populated in the western civilization. If anything we are lossing population. It's third world countries and old china that have/had problem with surplus population and lack of food. The problem with having only 1 or 2 kids, is that Immigration which has a high children per couple ratio can slowly out breed your countries original population, under current immigration policies. For example, Islamic immigration in Europe. If anything having more than 2 kids should be heavily state funded. And only having 1 kid penalized with taxes. I am sorry to hear that you only have 1 Kid Valek. Most people I know have 2 kids, and my country is poor. But somehow we manage to live on. School is free, younger one uses the old cloths of his brother. If you are poor Social Security will pay for free Kindergarden. Medical costs are taken care by Social Security. I know some of you do not like Social Security. But for me it's the best thing in a Social State. It's about living in society and everyone helping one another. We all chip in. We all get to use it. Some will make "profit" some will lose money. But such is life in society. We stand by one another and grow together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadon Xiloscient Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 And here I thought you where going to make a comment where I lived... -__-' Geeze. LoL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I wished to know if you lived in US. Saying Michigan, say very little to me, as I do not know Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadon Xiloscient Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 My profile says where I live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Uh... having no other gods before God' date=' not worshiping graven images, and keeping the Sabbath holy don't strike me as particularly inspired bits of moral thinking. Also, many mothers and fathers are not deserving of respect, even from their children.[/quote'] I found the worship of things that aren't a deity a bad thing. Find someone who really worships money or fashion or themself... they tend to be asshats. Keeping holy the Sabbath is easy... I have enough football on that I can't go do dickheaded things. A person is no longer your mother/father if they molest, beat, neglect, or otherwise harm a child... so any and all real parents out there do deserve respect. Yeah, they might not be the single most enlightened things ever uttered... but we are all EXTREMELY low on that totem pole. That being said... it isn't like anything in those particular Commandments that are just grossly immoral to the point that I feel the need to condemn the entire message of Christianity. I don't believe some guy is going to levitate on down from the clouds one day and snatch up all the believers... but I've seen enough asshats get their comeuppance to know their is a "cosmic order" at the very least. As a gambler, I know odds... and all the karma I've seen in this world "just happening" would be like getting struck by lightning while holding a spade royal flush and the winning lottery ticket just after winning a game of Russian roulette against yourself using an AK with a full clip that just happened to result in Angelina Jolie and Megan Foxx deciding to liberate themselves from their pants and do very adult things for you. I notice you casually neglect the ones that actually matter. Thou shall not steal... Thou shall not kill (which almost everyone interprets as murder and not a Jainist view of things)... Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife... Pretty much all three of those are damn fine ideas. Two get you thrown in prison and the last one could just end up getting you shot in someone else's bed... My point was... you have to critically listen to a religion's message. Take out the mysticism, take out the random "miracles", take out the stories that blatantly contradict another story... and you have a fairly decent set of moral guidelines. I mean... can it be said anyone is against not being murdered or stolen from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I found the worship of things that aren't a deity a bad thing. Find someone who really worships money or fashion or themself... they tend to be asshats. How about not worshiping anything? Can't we try that? And those commandments are entirely about other gods, other religions - they're not anti-consumerist. They're all about making sure you're worshiping Yahweh rather than a different god. Keeping holy the Sabbath is easy... I have enough football on that I can't go do dickheaded things. Those playing the football you are watching are failing to keep the Sabbath holy. According to Exodus, stoning of football players is in order. A person is no longer your mother/father if they molest, beat, neglect, or otherwise harm a child... so any and all real parents out there do deserve respect. Considering that other parts of Exodus command parents to stone to death disobedient children, I don't think that the Bible agrees with your disqualifications. That being said... it isn't like anything in those particular Commandments that are just grossly immoral to the point that I feel the need to condemn the entire message of Christianity. Trust me, the Ten Commandments aren't my basis for condemning the entire message of Christianity. The immorality and falseness of that message are why I condemn it. ...I've seen enough asshats get their comeuppance to know their is a "cosmic order" at the very least. As a gambler, I know odds... and all the karma I've seen in this world "just happening" ... Congratulations, your pattern recognition software is taking coincidences and tying them together. I notice you casually neglect the ones that actually matter. Thou shall not steal... Thou shall not kill (which almost everyone interprets as murder and not a Jainist view of things)... Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife... Pretty much all three of those are damn fine ideas. Yes... although the Hebrews are commanded by God to disregard all three almost immediately when they start slaughtering their neighbors for lands that God supposedly promised to the Hebrews, and raping the virgin girls of those tribes so they'd be new wives for the Hebrews... so the integrity of those Commandments, as far as the Abrahamic religions go, is somewhat in doubt, I'd say. On a side note, the fact that "thou shalt not rape" isn't a commandment is, I think, a good indicator of how valued women were to the authors of these commandments. Also, it's not like any of the "good" commandments are in any way solely the offspring of religion... "don't kill" and "don't steal" were part of pretty much every legal code developed around the planet. My point was... you have to critically listen to a religion's message. Take out the mysticism, take out the random "miracles", take out the stories that blatantly contradict another story... and you have a fairly decent set of moral guidelines. No, you don't. You have a set of rules given by a god that you are to follow or be punished. If there isn't the mysticism, if there aren't the miracles, then not a single religion actually gives you a reason to act morally - there is no reasoning presented in any scripture that I have read arguing in favor of moral behavior for it's own ends, it is ALWAYS simply following orders of the deity to gain reward or avoid punishment. The best thing I can say about religion is that it sometimes gives people bad reasons to do good things - when there are good reasons available. And I am off to work, so it'll be a while before I can respond to any responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Several forms of Taoism merely focus on moderation and well being through positive thinking. That acting morally in all aspects of your life helps build relationships as well as personal health. With little focus on mysticism beyond that which any man or woman can achieve through personal perseverence. So I wouldnt say that NO religion offers a valid reason to act morally. Can you invalidate personal well being and self improvement as a justifiable reason to follow a particular way of life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Can you invalidate personal well being and self improvement as a justifiable reason to follow a particular way of life? He can, actually. There's an interesting line between ethics and morals, but science has no conscience. Not to poke at science, but it's done just as much good as it has done wrong, much like it's brother, religion. I don't follow the Bible to the word. Why? Think about how old that books supposed to be. Think about what has been in the hearts of men, of tyrant rulers, warring emperors, and kings who waged war. Think about a library that supposedly sank when Alexander the Great was waging war. How many times might it have been re-written? How many times have there been original copies saved that were embellished with good intent? The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Honestly, to each their own when it comes to religion and science. I'm more concerned with my fellow human and the world we live in. Just don't mistake me as having truly altruistic reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Not to disagree with your point Kyzarius, however Taoism is not a religion. The chinese do not have a word that translates to religion, nor one that translates to philosophy. Taoism simply is... Taoism. Which roughly translates to "The Way". I'll shut up now and let you people get back to arguing different points at each other. ^.^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Not to disagree with your point Kyzarius, however Taoism is not a religion. The chinese do not have a word that translates to religion, nor one that translates to philosophy. Taoism simply is... Taoism. Which roughly translates to "The Way". I'll shut up now and let you people get back to arguing different points at each other. ^.^ Oh, no you don't. "The Way"? Is it just The Way as in a philosophy? Or The Way to..... Hehe....just something for you to chew on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 The way as in the way of life. What many believe to primary text concerning Taoism is "Tao-te ching". Translates to "The Book of the Way and Its Power". Lao-tzu explained the way as an ultimate reality, specifically "that level of reality, tht existed prior to and gave rise to all other things, the physical universe, and all things in it". This is commonly known in China as the "ten thousand things (wan-wu). I could go on but instead I will refer you to the text "Lao-Tzu Te-Tao Ching" translated by Robert G. Henricks. While an excellent text, it might be a bit stuffy for some. For some lighter reading (though what still address the topic better than I ever could) I would recommend the "Tao of Pooh" by Benjamin Hoff, and it's sequal "Te of Piglet". Do not be fooled by the names, they are serious books while still being funny and an enjoyable read. Edited for grammar and linkys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I could go on but instead I will refer you to the text "Lao-Tzu Te-Tao Ching" translated by Robert G. Henricks. While an excellent text' date=' it might be a bit stuffy for some.[/quote'] That's what I want to know. I'll add it to my summer reading list. Hope it's as good as The Art of War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Taoism certainly helped me when I was dealing with depression/ptsd. Of course, now I'm a Taoist Shamanistic Wiccan, so government forms cry around me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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