f0xx Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Great RP log. An example of a brutal villain(s) I wish one day I will be able to RP evils as good as you two do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I don't know... Seems that is taking the macabre a bit too far. Dey is guilty of this before with the Heiquin log. Personally, I have no taste for such violence, especially as it concerns children, and I wonder why such is allowed when sexual RP is generally not allowed? Seems such is a problem in popular media as well, when something like 'saw' can get an R rating, whereas two nekkid adults going at it will get an Nc-17. I admit it was a scary read, but it is beyond what I would consider fun RP and more of a reflection of the strangeness of those particular players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djriacen Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 lol, Instia is an Undead Syndicate Shaman and Chakii is an Undead Syndicate Thief. I think the act is very well within reason for these two. Have you ever read a good, dark oriented, book? Nicci from the SOT series, for example. Why wouldn't two worshipers of Death do something so dark. The fact that I'd never hurt a child is irrelevant to Instia's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Ok, but if Dey's mom ever saw what he was typing in the basement, she would revoke all his internet privileges and send him to boarding school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Seriously Mali, tell me you were joking please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Foxx, do you enjoy reading about children getting tortured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Seriously Mali' date=' tell me you were joking please?[/quote'] Given that we once again have a young player or two in our midsts, I hope that he is NOT joking. I'm not one for censorship, but, the phrase lead by example comes to mind. If we're not okay with anything beyond innuendo, why are we okay with something so blatant involving children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted March 31, 2011 Implementor Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 While the log goes far beyond my personal taste I've noticed that Americans are ok with a lot more violence than Europeans, typically. Their tolerance for sexual contents or even nudity without any sexual aspects is close to zero however. Given that this mud has always been moderated after Amerian standards, I think the log is borderline but just ok to post. Let's not let this thread degrade into namecalling or personal insults. Some of you will like it, some not, let's just keep it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 It didn't even occur to me at the time that it might be offensive. It can be easy to be ignorant and overlook that when attempting to assume the role of a character who IS evil. I don't know. I read it back and that's just how I see it - not a tale written with the intent to shock, but a snapshot of the mind of two evil characters. Maybe I'm heavily de-sensitised. I apologise for any who find offence, and would see no problem with the log being removed. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_nightmare Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Just come and live in Europe.You won't regret it Ask Anume how we party here.Btw whoever likes the log needs serious help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Americans are ok with a lot more violence than Europeans, typically. Their tolerance for sexual contents or even nudity without any sexual aspects is close to zero however. . It is when you combine the two that we really start drooling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I was with Heiqen in Dey's other torture log. If you've even heard of Saw or Texas Chainsaw Massacre, this stuff is nothing. Regardless of American standards, I agree with Dey. These characters are supposed to be -evil-. Not pretending to be evil, but keeping it within the bounds of civility of a civilization (American/European) that they have never encountered. Could remove it, though. I suppose. If so, I'm copying it to a file now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 While it does have offensive nature, we're (mostly) mature here. We all can understand this is something that NONE of us would ever do in real life, and being that we play in a world of DEMONS and ANGELS, why would we be more open to accept them when we can't accept the fact two WALKING zombies kill an elven child? I'd be more inclined to remove any demonic crap for the sake of children, then this sort of violence. But let's let parents be parents and let's not do any censoring. That crap is lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 But let's let parents be parents and let's not do any censoring. That crap is lame. The rest of what Jibber said, but mostly this. ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 It didn't even occur to me at the time that it might be offensive. It can be easy to be ignorant and overlook that when attempting to assume the role of a character who IS evil. I don't know. I read it back and that's just how I see it - not a tale written with the intent to shock, but a snapshot of the mind of two evil characters. Maybe I'm heavily de-sensitised. I apologise for any who find offence, and would see no problem with the log being removed. Dey I'm not offended, merely concerned. It was well RP-ed and accurately represents a state of mind that can make one wonder what evil is and if being innately mentally sick is what makes a person evil. There's so much to explore psychologically with evil characters and you often make me wonder and question so much of this. That, sir, is a good thing. I will stand behind you 100% in your RP and stand 100% behind the log being posted in the interest of creating dialogue, especially now that we're moving beyond the "shock" factor. As is pointed out, Americans are heavily desensitized and it takes something like torturing a child for some people to wake up to this fact. We play a "violent" game of "words", thus we're not exactly on the ESRB rating radar. Amusing to say the least. However, sexuality is something that many Americans have difficulty grasping, as it's seen as something to be hidden and for private life, not public domain. It's not something that's beyond my personal tastes as it is multifaceted in it uses. However, it's the younger people I'm concerned for. It's a fact that at younger ages the brain isn't even CLOSE to being fully developed. It's a possibility that if parents and schools aren't willing to discuss such topics with children then they cannot actively commit to memory if this is okay, borderline, or wrong. Moral compasses become further and further from where they were a generation or two ago. Not always the wrong direction, sometimes for the better, but in the name of civility and peace, it's something that should be examined. Thank you, Instia and Chakii, for this opportunity of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted March 31, 2011 Implementor Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 can make one wonder what evil is and if being innately mentally sick is what makes a person evil. This made me laugh. Re Jibber: I think it is less the fact that they killed an elven child and more that they did it so explicitely and go into detail so much on the torture and violence involved. Then, on the other hand, looking at the execution methods or even worse the Carnifex torture prog that completely turned my stomach, all of this mud is not exactly something suitable for children. I think young adults / teenagers should talk about anything they find gross with their parents. In the end, it's the pro of a text based game without pics that it doesn't get that gorey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djriacen Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm a bit honored to be a part of something so controversial, honestly. That means Instia is doing well, yeah? I mean, she's always murdered elven children, that was her shtick. I thought most who talked to her knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I suppose its better for players to get it out of their system here than to let such thoughts brew with potential real world consequences. But, I think a slay or two for both characters is in order, and maybe some time with Dr. Phil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djriacen Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 lol, once again. My personal views and love for life have -nothing- to do with Instia's insanity. I, also, would most definitely leave for getting slain after keeping the exact RP that I should have. The fact of the matter is, Dey and I got into our character's heads, something most people here don't do. That's why our Pbase is getting smaller. I guarantee if we were on the light side -I have a young goodie right now for the record- we'd have gone into the same detail about saving the child from the maniacal undead syndicates who.. well.. kill things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 But, I think a slay or two for both characters is in order, and maybe some time with Dr. Phil. I kindly disagree. Both characters have brought to light what was and has been, but nothing new. An old topic in a medium that wasn't seen prior to the log. It is in fact a parents responsibility to take care of their children and not ours. It is, however, our responsibility to carefully analyze this so we can keep any younger adults well-informed that we do not rush to these decisions hastily and that we are capable of doing so logically. Hopefully we can stimulate them to make their own decisions, with the parents. Or at least get them thinking like adults. EDIT: Did I also mention you are a sick, sick, sick man for trying to put anyone in the same room as Dr. Phil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 But' date=' I think a slay or two for both characters is in order, and maybe some time with Dr. Phil.[/quote'] I am sorry but, since when do we slay characters because they behave like they should i.e. they have good RP? This is getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted March 31, 2011 Implementor Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Chill pill. No flaming. Mali's posts lack the , he's asked to slay ALL syndis to condead just recently, so why do you get enrage about this post so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Just saying. I've seen people do some seriously f***ed up stuff to other players out of rp and get away with it scot free. If people who are rp'ing a villian (well I might add) and they get slain for it? Well, any hopes of raising the number of players is gone. And I would definatly be bailing myself. edit: The reason it bugs me is I've seen multiple players leave because of the Pbase bitching about their character when it wasn't even their place to do so. Like this instance. People who the now decling mud could have really used. And most of that stuff was about pk. Now we got someone complaining about an RP log of all things. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Chill pill. No flaming. Mali's posts lack the , he's asked to slay ALL syndis to condead just recently, so why do you get enrage about this post so much. Because it is foxx, duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Mali was kidding. I'm pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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