mmajunkie Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Allegedly killed last week, DNA tests confirmed recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Yay! Or blah. I'm really not sure which is my response to this news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Really? It only took ten years in which he managed to help build up terrorism to levels of asinine publicity? I wonder if this grants him his martyr status. Of course, I know that one passage doesn't translate to 71 virgins. It translates to . NSFW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Yay! Or blah. I'm really not sure which is my response to this news. Upset that a mass murderer died? Or just "iffy" as to if this will be the beginning of the end of terrorism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 The yay impulse is that I'm glad that he's dead. I'm not overcome with joy or ecstatic (I'd have preferred capture and trial), but it's certainly good news. The blah impulse is that at this point, I don't think that this will have all that much impact. It may make him a martyr for jihadist groups, or it may hurt their morale and recruiting power - it's too early to tell (and the idea that we'll ever "end terrorism" is ridiculous - terrorism is a tool that will be forever available for people to use in pursuit of their goals, jihadist or not). Regardless, when it comes to our current problems in the Middle East, I don't think that this is going to change the situation - we're still occupying countries full of people that hate us. The situation there is not just being driven by Muslim extremism, and even if it were, there are still plenty of clerics happy to preach along bin Laden-friendly lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 A public hanging would have been more enjoyable and far more appropriate (after a trial on U.S. soil, of course). Unfortunately, (as per CBS & Fox News, and even CNN) he had apparently told his soldiers that he wasn't to be taken alive, under any circumstance -- so it may have been close to impossible to capture the coward alive. And yeah, he'll probably become a martyr, which makes me that much less wanting to fly back to Idaho in a couple weeks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 A public hanging would have been more enjoyable and far more appropriate I find hangings rather inhumane myself. Gunshot to the head, or something else quick, clean and simple. There's no reason we can't be civil, is there? And yeah, he'll probably become a martyr, which makes me that much less wanting to fly back to Idaho in a couple weeks.. Oh come on. That's exactly what they want to create, the perception of being a real threat and a danger to all of us when they aren't. You're far more likely to die driving to work than you are from a terrorist on your plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 trust me when I say the look on his face was worth the plane ticket to Pakistan, ill post the assassination log later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I find hangings rather inhumane myself. Gunshot to the head' date=' or something else quick, clean and simple. There's no reason we can't be civil, is there?[/quote'] I take it you don't believe in an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth idealogy? Then again, mostly I don't, but when a mass murderer is captured and sentenced to death, nothing should be clean, quick, or simple in his execution. Oh come on. That's exactly what they want to create' date=' the perception of being a real threat and a danger to all of us when they [i']aren't. You're far more likely to die driving to work than you are from a terrorist on your plane. I'm pretty certain that's what U.S. intelligence said back in '98 when they found plans of the attack on the Twin Tower Skyscrapers ploy. Nothing wrong with being paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 My poor towers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I take it you don't believe in an eye for an eye' date=' tooth for a tooth idealogy? Then again, mostly I [i']don't, but when a mass murderer is captured and sentenced to death, nothing should be clean, quick, or simple in his execution. Encapsulated in the 8th Amendment is the concept that regardless of the crimes one has committed, the punishment should fit certain standards of civilized conduct. I agree with this sentiment. The justice system exists for the purpose of justice - not vengeance. I'm pretty certain that's what U.S. intelligence said back in '98 when they found plans of the attack on the Twin Tower Skyscrapers ploy. Nothing wrong with being paranoid. Assuming that they did, statistically, they were still right - we lose 40,000 people a year in car crashes, we lost under 3,000 on 9/11. Personally, I find paranoia a waste of time and energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 A public hanging would have been more enjoyable and far more appropriate (after a trial on U.S. soil' date=' of course). Unfortunately, (as per CBS & Fox News, and even CNN) he had apparently told his soldiers that he wasn't to be taken alive, under any circumstance -- so it may have been close to impossible to capture the coward alive.[/quote'] How can you call him a coward if he chose to die over surrendering? It does not makes sense. I to think it was a shame that he was not taken alive and put to trial. But then again what crime would you charge him with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 What crime wouldn't you charge him with? Our military was supposedly given the order to kill rather than capture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I am glad he is dead, and not the issue of a huge jurisdiction debate. course, I give it five days until Trump asks for a long form death certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I am glad he is dead' date=' and not the issue of a huge jurisdiction debate.[/Quote'] Good point course' date=' I give it five days until Trump asks for a long form death certificate. [/quote'] Haha, everyone keeps saying that. While I wouldn't put it past him, do you find him unbelievable because he asked for Obama's birth certificate and only got a certificate of live birth? (which.. isn't a birth certificate)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Encapsulated in the 8th Amendment is the concept that regardless of the crimes one has committed, the punishment should fit certain standards of civilized conduct. I agree with this sentiment. The justice system exists for the purpose of justice - not vengeance. Yeah, because the 8th amendment is relevant in pakistan (sarcasm). It is just that he is dead. Although it is strange that they reported the body was thrown in the ocean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 And I still don't see how a public hanging isn't civilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demiterracotta Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 And I still don't see how a public hanging isn't civilized. If done right hanging is pretty quick and clean as far as actual death. However, I think the proceedings leading to the hanging are where some could consider it to be cruel. Burning alive and drowning are however cruel. It's ok if you're paranoid. I'm skeptical it even happened..... but I'm odd that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 He's dead, but, I can't help but see pictures of college kids out at 1 a.m. drunk, wearing American flags draped around their bodies, slurring about patriotism/being proud to be American. Somehow, I think the majority of this country doesn't understand much. The media doesn't help much in that regards. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? As to his body, let the conspiracy theorists run amok now. Personally, I think it was meant as more insult than injury, perhaps being some way to lessen any martyrdom impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Yeah' date=' because the 8th amendment is relevant in pakistan (sarcasm).[/quote'] Principles should not be dependent on one's geographical location or nationality. I find it nationalistic and contemptible to restrict civil rights to only the citizens of one's own country. A hanging where the fall is sufficient to snap the neck of the victim is a pretty quick, clean death. A hanging where the fall does NOT snap the neck, however, as is the case in many hangings, is protracted agony for the victim. If the former is all right with you, then there are more guaranteed ways to do it. If you're looking for protracted agony, sorry, I can't support that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Pali, its like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI America, **** yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-D&Der Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Yeah, because the 8th amendment is relevant in pakistan (sarcasm). It is just that he is dead. Although it is strange that they reported the body was thrown in the ocean... Also, Bin Laden was without question a combatant. If the reports are to be believed he resisted capture and was killed in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaruil Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Is the good old guillotine proper and civil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Is the good old guillotine proper and civil? I don't know...oddly, I prefer dispatching people in their sleep. Got a portable guillotine? I wonder if they'd feel that...need a portable MRI scanner, too! I'm doing it in the name of Science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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