Imoutgoodbye Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 International affairs. So wonderful. Do we maintain and continue to act as the United States? We're the "world bully" trying to bring about Democracy and holding our nose in the air. Do we play by NATO rules? We must control NATO. Do we violate our own rules when abroad and try on other ways? Well, then we're hypocrites. No matter which way we go about it, the world will not view the U.S. government as anything "good". Much like Hitler and Osama get lumped under the "evil" umbrella. It's another example of not everyone's happy no matter what gets done. By the way, I heard a report he took a human shield since he didn't have a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Killing civilian women and children purposefully is evil. Plain and simple. No God warrants that. I take it you missed the part in Exodus where God kills all the firstborn children in Egypt? Or Deuteronomy 13, which says that everyone and everything in a heretical town must be destroyed and it is never to be allowed to be rebuilt? Or how about Ezekiel 9: 5-7: "As I listened, he [God] said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple. Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city." I could fill numerous posts with examples from various religious scriptures (could do it with just the Bible, even) of gods ordering or carrying out the murder of women and children... but I think the point is made, no? Re Valek: No human shield. And apparently, no running firefight through the house either - they were fired upon once, killed the gunner, and weren't fired on for the remainder of the attack. That is news I am not happy with, and reinforces my view that this was simply an assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 No. You missed my point, I should have elaborated. I didn't mean it so literally. I'm saying religion is not an excuse to kill women and children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rensvert Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 No. You missed my point' date=' I should have elaborated. I didn't mean it so literally. I'm saying religion is not an excuse to kill women and children.[/quote'] Actually I find religion to be one of the few valid reasons to go to war. Do I think that it warrants the killing of every man, woman and child of course not. But I can understand some of the thinking behind the Crusades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Assuming the religion is true, then it actually does become a logical reason to commit such actions. I would not consider the actions morally justified, but when a being that has total control over your existence orders you to do something, that's a pretty good reason to do it. The only way that the religion isn't a good reason for it is if it isn't true... so yes, it's a crappy reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I am reading that no, he did not a gun in his hand. However, there were multiple weapons within reach of him. Granted thats v2 or v3 of the white house's story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Actually I find religion to be one of the few valid reasons to go to war. Do I think that it warrants the killing of every man' date=' woman and child of course not. But I can understand some of the thinking behind the Crusades.[/quote'] Religious violence is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Religious violence is a joke. It would be if it didn't kill so many people... but let's not take this thread down that road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I obviously meant that I would laugh at someone who said religion is a good reason for violence. Not that the violence caused by religion is humorous. Are you arguing just to argue again? <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jibber Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I take it you missed the part in Exodus where God kills all the firstborn children in Egypt? Or Deuteronomy 13, which says that everyone and everything in a heretical town must be destroyed and it is never to be allowed to be rebuilt? Or how about Ezekiel 9: 5-7: "As I listened, he [God] said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple. Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city." I could fill numerous posts with examples from various religious scriptures (could do it with just the Bible, even) of gods ordering or carrying out the murder of women and children... but I think the point is made, no? Re Valek: No human shield. And apparently, no running firefight through the house either - they were fired upon once, killed the gunner, and weren't fired on for the remainder of the attack. That is news I am not happy with, and reinforces my view that this was simply an assassination. Perhaps you should quote Ezekiel 9: 1-3, as well, before you go throwing bull**** accusations about God and/or the bible being false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abghoul Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Lol, the crusades. Thats something very very shameful to the christian culture. Just try a history book and have a look at childrens crusade for instance. Whats next, the glory of auto da fe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I want to declare war on the ghoul people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abghoul Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 We do a quick check with our weapons industry and make sure we ,personally, don't get hit. Then we can do it for the worth and happiness of the coin. A good war is always great for the industry! I wanna have war on MMA's too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 He looks just like a normal, nice man in that photo to me. Sad to know that he was violently killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 A good war every decade or so just to keep the economy chuggin along. I like it. Let's buy an island and create our own country bwahahaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 He looks just like a normal' date=' nice man in that photo to me. Sad to know that he was violently killed.[/quote'] You miss, are a fire giant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abghoul Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Naah Mmajunkie, lets buy an island and live long and prosper. And blow our hometown to dust, for the sake of the greater cause,... or sumfin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajunkie Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Sounds pretty Brokeback Mountain'ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Pali, are you trolling or what? Of course there is evil out there, and we need to shoot it. We don't need to understand it as much as we need to shoot it. Every person I named on that list is scum of the earth, absolute evil type of guy. If most of them weren't dead already, I would be pleased to have the opportunity to end their sorry excuses for lives myself. Put away your rose-tinted glasses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 sadly evil doesn't always understand or follow logical pathways, chaotic evil for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abghoul Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 You got nothin to do? Nowhere to gain fame? anything always the same? Why should't it be you! The job is free, the job is free! Become the evil adversary to the whole civilisation just pick out your evil nation and be as evil as you can be! The job is free, the job is free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Perhaps you should quote Ezekiel 9: 1-3' date=' as well, before you go throwing bull**** accusations about God and/or the bible being false.[/quote'] Uh... Ezekiel 9:1-3 is God calling out his appointed executioners (NIV via biblegateway.com). The next couple verses include them going through the city putting marks on the people who are lamenting the idolatry - they got spared. This doesn't change the context at all - God still ordered everyone else in the city, including the women and children, slaughtered for idolatry (worshipping another god). Mali, I do not believe in good and evil as they are commonly used. I see these terms as too simplistic and too broad to use to describe people or their actions. Labeling these people as evil, saying that means we don't need to understand them, just kill them, this will do NOTHING to prevent the same situations from creating the same kind of people over and over again. But if we try to understand them, understand what made them the way they are, then we might actually be able to stop people in the future from becoming the same way. Unless you're happy just killing those people too. Me, I'd rather they not become "evil" in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 The fact of the matter is, you can quote one scripture in the bible, but without stating WHY that scripture said what it did (i.e., quoting previous scriptures that explain later ones) you can't claim or compare them with current or past events, unless they're actually similar. Annyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 ...yes, the crime was idolatry. The crime was worshiping the wrong god. The Old Testament is very clear that this is a crime worthy of death. I consider that reprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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