KRins Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Yep, I'm gone. I sucked up getting demoted for doing the right thing, but I honestly cannot abide 50+ hours on a character... being told I'm doing the right thing... then not getting what I want based on a random guess. I find it totally disrespectful of my time, my effort, and the fact I was willing to keep the number of players one person higher by even being around when there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me to do other than RP with myself. Stay safe everyone... I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfrosto Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Come back soon! We'll miss you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted May 28, 2011 Implementor Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 As I already told you, not a random guess. Your app was accepted, even if it had not, an application is not a guarantee to play some q thing. Not our fault if you mess up the quest. Come back when you've calmed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Wrong attitude. I failed my vamp quest the first time. Stuck with it and eventually got another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Wrong attitude. Is it? Is it really? This brings something to mind from a long time ago. The first two times I got my undead app accepted. Couldn't get the first step done the first time, got to a point the second time where I was told I failed. Recently I threw away a character because I felt like I was getting somewhere, but decided I was bored with sitting and felt I had a carrot being dangled before me. Of course, I was the one who strapped a string and stick to my own back. The waiting and waiting is killer. Then you think you FINALLY have it, but no. Why should he bother waiting longer for another shot? I'm on right now. Not too many people hanging around in there. Why are we after these cool toys, these q-things? They're shiny and neat and they look POWERFUL. I don't know if they're more powerful, but they do open up more options and you have to work to get them. Now, Krins should be given some credit. He tried this. He failed. I think a better way of doing this than being told you have FAILED is to have a message like "You're not ready yet." and allow the player to try again later. Let them KNOW, "Hey, your app was approved. You've done something to prove yourself. We're not going to toss you aside in the dirt." Anyone remember hearing about that rip-off mud that Savnt and Zrothum had? That little six room thing where you could have whatever qrace/class/etc...you wanted? All the information you could ever want? Know any quest you wanted to know? I lost one of my personal disciples to that. Too many people walk down THAT path for my liking. Rather than just say "Wrong Attitude" or "That's too bad", why can't we work with our own players to assist them? We cover up too much, say too bad, you need a new attitude, learn from this, get over it...I know it's also hard to support someone who's lashing out at his frustrations. Please don't take this as me trying to just defend an upset player. It's an individualistic culture we live in and we often look outside ourselves to lay blame. But I seriously suggest we give a small boost to those on the Ruthless Tier. Too many people think it's a one and done deal with q-things and sometimes it is. *runs to hide in a corner, fearing a smiting* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I'm completely against un-censoring any qrace/class info or quests. I will however help with anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I'm completely against un-censoring any qrace/class info or quests. I will however help with anything else. Agreed. I'm also against that. Which is why I think we should help out the frustrated player more. *hugs Jibber* I can give you hugs, right, Jibs? Jibby old pal? The Big Jibiski? Even if it's just, you know, them coming to us right here on the forums. Good old moral support. And we leave it up to the IMMs to decide how they can help the player build on knowledge to assist them with the quest. Not suggesting they should be told anything, but, some quests I don't feel give much help in their contexts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 What honestly upsets me about the whole thing is that I proved on several occasions to not be a dick when I definitely could have been incredibly easily on this character. As a matter of fact, I was punished once for doing the right thing. I wanted to delete right there, because who the hell are you to tell me that doing something in the better interest of preventing a potential rage deletion/player desertion is the wrong thing to do in any situation? I personally have a lot more respect for myself as a player having failed than a lot of the people in the past who used an OOC connection to find out the answers they needed or got what they wanted only to quit RPing/cheat/otherwise be involuntarily denied. If that's the sort of person you reward when it was blatant I had no clue what was going on, and tried to reach out to you in an RP fashion when literally NO ONE would give me the answer in game, as we are taught to seek things out, that fine. I just won't be a part of it. It should be a person thing, not a stupid mechanic thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 A) I hope you kept your character. I hope you stick around. C) I'm sure you'll get another shot. Everyone deserves a second chance. D) I'm on my knees BEGGING you to just take the night off and relax with a drink. It's upsetting to work hard, but you can't see it from one side all time. There are plenty of us here who appreciate your character. Come back tomorrow and saddle up again, padre. Hang in here and beat the odds. Walking away won't change anything. Being determined will. Being patiently and calmly determined will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadon Xiloscient Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 *snuggles with KRins* I'll drink with you and we can AoL chat about whatever. Can vent to me and everything! Please don't go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 LoL. I'm not laughing at you. Get ready to Rumble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I failed a psi quest too. And I spent 1 month writing an application - 7 pages long. Hell, my essay for my high school exam wasn't that long. I strongly believe that those quests are completely obsolete, breed OOC connections and punish those who try to play fair. Some quests you are bound to fail if you haven't done them before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I strongly believe that those quests are completely obsolete' date=' breed OOC connections and punish those who try to play fair. Some quests you are bound to fail if you haven't done them before.[/quote'] Agreed. I've never been a fan of the qrace/qclass quests either... they make it very likely that someone with stellar RP and behavior as a player can lose out on something they've spent dozens of hours working on because they don't guess right on the multiple-choice segment of the test (nor do I think the test questions are very well designed - a lot of the answers seem to make fairly equal sense, and they tend to appeal to very cookie-cutter versions of the qthing's RP). Now, while some say that people should just keep working at it if they fail the quest, in my experience having done so in the past people aren't really given a great deal of encouragement in doing so with the idea that they will eventually still get the qclass they're going for. When I've asked in the past if someone who's failed the test can get another chance, the response was "generally no" - this is not something that encourages someone to keep working on the character that they wanted to have this happen with. Now yes, the argument can be made along RP-purist lines about how much interesting stuff can go down RP-wise by getting angry at the rejection or what-have-you... but most people have an idea in mind of where they want a character to go, and if they get a massive roadblock thrown in their way because of a design choice rather than any failings in their RP and are told that it's highly unlikely that continuing will get them any closer to where they wanted to go... where's their motivation for continuing the character? It's not encouraging, and it's not welcoming to new players - and it quite often pisses off experienced players, and sometimes the frustration from running into something like this breaks the camel's back - and we lose some of the small pbase we've still got. EDIT: And really... I don't understand the actual purpose of having it. Is it meant to function as a check to make sure your RP fits the specifics? I see that as doing little more than encouraging cookie-cutter RP. Personally, I loved having an uncharacteristic demon around like Oppressant - but I can't imagine a character like that actually passing the q-test without breaking RP to get some of the questions right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Are Psionicists the only problem? As far as I know very few if any fail the Crusader test, or the Undead test. Demons are granted and Druids are easy, I have never had a Vampire or Avatar so I can't speak for them. I passed my one and only psion test by fluke thanks to Illithid shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Are Psionicists the only problem? As far as I know very few if any fail the Crusader test, or the Undead test. Demons are granted and Druids are easy, I have never had a Vampire or Avatar so I can't speak for them. I passed my one and only psion test by fluke thanks to Illithid shock. So you DID fail the quest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I passed psi test first time without OOC help. You just have to pay attention and read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Well I failed my Undead Quest, 2 years back. I think this sort of things should not be failable. Because it goes down to knowing the right Answers. It teaches nothing other than getting a OCC connection to get the correct way. Perhaps this is something we can improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 As far as I know very few if any fail the Crusader test' date=' or the Undead test.[/quote'] I've failed them both, so maybe I just suck at taking them. However, Mya already re-made my earlier point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I think the quests should be character specific honestly. There is a part of the undead quest that the answer simply encourages people to play their unique race the same as the 400 before them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croyvern Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Something... Do not give up. Mister E didn't. Come home soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 What honestly upsets me about the whole thing is that I proved on several occasions to not be a dick when I definitely could have been incredibly easily on this character. As a matter of fact' date=' I was punished once for doing the right thing. I wanted to delete right there, because who the hell are you to tell me that doing something in the better interest of preventing a potential rage deletion/player desertion is the wrong thing to do in any situation? I personally have a lot more respect for myself as a player having failed than a lot of the people in the past who used an OOC connection to find out the answers they needed or got what they wanted only to quit RPing/cheat/otherwise be involuntarily denied. If that's the sort of person you reward when it was blatant I had no clue what was going on, and tried to reach out to you in an RP fashion when literally NO ONE would give me the answer in game, as we are taught to seek things out, that fine. I just won't be a part of it. It should be a person thing, not a stupid mechanic thing.[/quote'] wait wait, you got punished for bringing those things back to that player? I thought you were just being witty. Man, ya know that is just case in point that the staff is more out to discipline and punish than they are to encourage and enrich at times. Should make a poll detailing that situation and see if the pbase thinks it was right or not to punish you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadon Xiloscient Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I don't even know if I can ask this, but what EXACTLY happened? I've read all the posts but I'm not getting what happened. he tried for Psion, helped another player out and instead of being rewarded for doing such he was "failed" on the test for doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 He was not after Psi, that was just mentioned as a hard to complete quest if you are not familiar with it (I still disagree, I passed it without fail by paying attention to descriptions, and everything else I saw). Krins did something to make the game a better place all around apparently, and it cost him something apparently. I cannot really comment on it because I know none of the details, but I would really hate to lose a player the caliber of Krins to something stupid, and inconsequential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 wait wait, you got punished for bringing those things back to that player? I thought you were just being witty. Man, ya know that is just case in point that the staff is more out to discipline and punish than they are to encourage and enrich at times. Should make a poll detailing that situation and see if the pbase thinks it was right or not to punish you. Seems the man manned up. KRins is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 He was not after Psi' date=' that was just mentioned as a hard to complete quest if you are not familiar with it (I still disagree, I passed it without fail by paying attention to descriptions, and everything else I saw).[/quote'] Didn't you tell me once that you completed it only thanks to mana shield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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