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[the_nightmare]

Now that got me.

Can you please explain how does the rebuild of Rheydin has anything do (and to be more precise - conflicts) with being chaotic? (I will put my thoughts on the matter after I see your reasoning and why you think those two conflict each other).

I don't have a problem with discussing RP views with the staff. I have a problem with staff who thinks they are never wrong.

I've had situations where I've had to explain rules to immortals, where I've had to explain how the code functions and situations where immortals themselves can't separate OOC from RP. Sometimes immortals come to me with their mind already made. If you have your mind already made, then why bother to talk to me at all?

Not even gonna discuss the situations where I've been punished just because some immortals has decided that "it's gonna be my way" or situations where immortals have simply went nuts and called names.

Now, I can understand. We are all humans, we all have real lives and we all get affected by them and *sometimes* that affects our judgement. It is NORMAL, we are all humans.

Frankly, I think most of the staff takes things way to seriously. After all it's just a game.

Damn you are reading my mind.The thing that I do not like is that most of yours character future depends by the mood of the immortal.Volgathras made a good compare with the boss.If you get your boss in a good mood you will get things faster, if you get your boss in a bad mood then you are screwed

[the_nightmare]

All jokes aside though' date=' I don't see how being chaotic ethos would have a problem or conflict with the building or destruction of Rheydin.[/quote']

Because one chaotic character is supposed to not believe in laws, if the town is rebuild then laws will be in charge again.

[Volgathras]

To expound upon the specific example of rebuilding Rheydin as a chaotic character, I'll first mention that it is not outside of the realm of posibility. I mentioned earlier that these rules are not static, but changeable under different circumstances. That said, I'll note; The destruction of Rheydin was performed specificly to sow chaos by a group of chaotics. It is conceivably, under certain conditions, that a chaotic person would want to reverse that - but you'd need the RP to support that; Rheydin is the bastion for a group of individuals - the Tribunal - whose soul purpose is to maintain order; An area rife with lawlessness and free of the constraints that come along with it melds much better with someone who values absolute freedom.

As mentioned there are certainly avenues in which a chaotic character can opt to rebuild Rheydin which you are free to pursue, but it's something that would require the RP justification to back it, or you can expect to be questioned about your motives. I'd happily discuss such situations and would be excited to hear about them - but as I'm an administrator, and my character is the immortal head of the religion, I'd be dubious. Anyone who discusses with Volgathras IC his ideas concerning chaos and how to go about it might be surprised.

To address your second comment; We as administrators are here primarily to maintain and improve upon a fantasy world that is populated by players from around the world. Part of that maintainance is to uphold and sometimes define the various boundaries that come along with a world as dynamic as FL. This means that the final decisions rest with us (note; this does not mean we make stuff up as we go along, only that when a dispute arises as to how to deal with a particular situation, we deal with it in a way we believe is best for the game and it's players - almost certainly this involves input from the entire staff, not individual rulings). I'm certain you will find exactly the same paradigm in any other MUD you play.

If, however, you are implying that the decisions are not based on such sentiments, but are unfair exercises in boosting our ego, power trips, or picking you out for punishment, that's another matter. I'll say here that the likelihood of that happening with the current administration is nil (as is supported by the fact we're having this discussion in an open forum). If there are specific instances you'd like to bring up, I'll happily go over them with you in private so as not to detract from this thread.

Are we without fault? Absolutely not. I've certainly made bad calls during my tenure here. I try to correct them when they happen. Speaking personally, and NOT as an administrator, it can be a difficult situation when, as a volunteer who's here to help other people have a good time, you have to have sometimes hostile discussions with players in which you must make an unpopular ruling. Sometimes people lose their cool. Is it ok? No. Does it happen? Yes. We aren't professional Customer Relations personnel, and we do take this game seriously - I think that it's a great quality that the people tasked with upkeep of this game we all enjoy do.

Edit: Just to prove we're not infallible, it has come to my attention that one caveat from a group of people involved in rebuilding Rheydin is that it doesn't retrun to Tribbie hands. I'd forgotten that . As far as I see it, that's a perfectly acceptable avenue of RP!

[Volgathras]

The_Nightmare; I'm assuming by mood you mean the mood of the player, not the character. If you're expected Volgathras the lord of chaos to be anything less than completely bipolar, you're in for a treat .

People do have good days and bad, but as mentioned, punishments are not dolled out on the spot but more often than not discussed as a team. That means that even if one person feels like kicking puppies, other people are there to swing the pendulum some in the other direction.

As an aside, if you're brought up for a discussion and during the course of it you do not treat the person behind the immortal as a human being (i.e. making wild accusations, being rude, calling names), the chances of you recieving an unfavorable reaction rise dramatically. Is this because we get a stick up our asses and want to 'show you who's boss?' No. Such behavior, and the clear display of a lack of courtesy and respect for fellow players when you don't get your way undermines the trust we hold for each of you (yes, I mean it, all of you! I love you guys!), and this can manifest in punishments worse than we originally intended.

I think police officers provide a fair juxtaposition. No one likes police officers because they tell us what to do. If you're caught speeding and you're pulled over, you're gunna get a ticket (even if there was no sign posted; hey, going 55 in a residential area is not ok, and we know this). If, while getting the ticket, you spit in the officer's mouth and threaten to bury his mutilated mother in your woodshed... well, I hope you have a good lawyer.

[Tantangel]

If' date=' while getting the ticket, you spit in the officer's mouth and threaten to bury his mutilated mother in your woodshed... well, I hope you have a good lawyer.[/quote']

I didn't have a good lawyer.

[f0xx]

You can assume your RP is safe if: 1.) You adhere to the core tenets of your alignment (goods cannot help evils ever)' date=' 2.) Your views and actions do not directly conflict with the express orders of your cabal immortal (discussed above; listen to your boss), [b']3.) Your views and actions do not monstrously oppose your ethos (I'm chaotic, but I'll assist in rebuilding Rheydin because I want my 1-move-per-room back).

Because one chaotic character is supposed to not believe in laws' date=' if the town is rebuild then laws will be in charge again.[/quote']

Edit: Just to prove we're not infallible' date=' it has come to my attention that one caveat from a group of people involved in rebuilding Rheydin is that it doesn't retrun to Tribbie hands. I'd forgotten that . As far as I see it, that's a perfectly acceptable avenue of RP![/quote']

Exactly.

Hence why I questioned this "foundation" which you defined must not be crossed, and just two posts later you crossed it yourself with a very valid RP.

The pure fact that one is building a city has NOTHING to do with laws. I might be an evil power hungry chaotic demon who wants to build and rule a city that has NOTHING to do with laws.

This is a very good example of being open minded. Sometimes though, you guys are not open minded at all, and sometimes you are very biased too, and since we are humans, bias is something we can not overcome, but at least we can try to be LESS biased.

What is most unpleasant is when you meet a biased, stubborn person with power in his hands.

[Volgathras]

The foundation I was referring to are the static rules such as good characters not killing other goods. My later example of rebuilding Rheydin was flawed, as was pointed out.

Certainly sometimes we are stubborn, sometimes we are wrong, like anyone else. I like to believe do try to be fair and unbiased, and i do believe we are most of the time. I'll go further, and say that it is the duty of the players to point out if there is something wrong. Many of you do just that. However, as I mentioned in a previous post, breaching the issue in a calm, productive and respectful manner is expected - NOT because we're administrators, but because we're people.