Observations of a Fl child

[TheKid]

Lately I have taken a look at the game and wondered why the swing to good has lasted so long. I think I have figured it out. EQ. Thats right, show me a Knight that is not decked to the teeth and show me a Nexus that is not wearing cabal outfit armor or in the very least something like this. (worn) (Glowing) helm of illumination. When I made my good it was when things were pretty much even and now its not really competitive anymore when all of Knights and their friends own 75% of the good stuff. Been considering trading over as Evil needs some definate help. I mean it really sucks when all the super vets get on one side and pommel smash all the newbie evils running around so much that they as well quit and make a good just so they dont have to fight them anymore. And to think this is coming from one of those goodies, even though I am very far rom being a vet. I actually begin to feel bad for killing an evil lately and it really should not be like that, I am thinking. I dont know maybe expect a end of _______ thread soon as Evils really need something. Sorry just the ramblings of a 12 year old player.

[Archbishop Monk]

Take it from someone who's been here a long time, things will swing back to the Evil side sooner or later. I generally run on the opposite side of of what the majority is myself. Yes, it's trouble. Yes, you'll die or get smacked around a bunch. But, in the end, if you stick through it despite the disadvantage, you'll find yourself rewarded by learning more.

About the gear. Yes it sucks to be fighting with low-grade eq against someone who's decked to the hilt. It's also tough to fight someone when the things you need/want just aren't availible (or on those decked chars). But, as many have said, take a good look at a lot of the non-rares. There's a lot of stuff out there that's pretty good and will keep you alive long enough to get some of those rares you've been looking for.

edit: And yes you see some Nexus/Savant/Tribunal running around in cabal outfits. They're not as bad as they seem.

[jibber]

I saw a house full of team evil today. 3 nexuns, one Knight, and everyone else was either evil or neutral (some in WM, some in Savant). Also, everyone (or most everyone) in Nexus is T or above, while people who got into Knight before said Nexuns are still V. It's playing out just fine, I guess -- Immortals are promoting to help even the field. Eventually, however, one Goodie's gonna say, "Time for team evil!" and switch, along with four other goodies who have the same idea.

It'll tilt back to Evil in favor soon enough.

EDIT: As far as the (worn) prefix, seems only one person is able to do that on team goodie. Just one.

[Deykari]

It's no different a scenario to when one particular cabal or align is dominating. The balance always swings eventually. Besides, all of the Knights at the minute are classy as hell, and have -earned- that equipment. Could be worse, you could have a ton of people running around ganging everyone.

This is from one of the team evil who is getting a beating.

Dey

[Mmm Coffee]

I think it's fun. What does suck for evil is how many badass Q-things Knight has.

[Mali]

Thulgan is decked :eek:

So is Zafrook.

[jibber]

I think it's fun. What does suck for evil is how many badass Q-things Knight has.

Lots of Q-things in Nexus too.

[the_nightmare]

Time to roll drow ninja then, or Anume give me that undead thief!

[Brehan]

Time to roll drow ninja then' date=' or Anume give me that undead thief! [/quote']

[bavarianbrew]

But, as many have said, take a good look at a lot of the non-rares. There's a lot of stuff out there that's pretty good and will keep you alive long enough to get some of those rares you've been looking for.

edit: And yes you see some Nexus/Savant/Tribunal running around in cabal outfits. They're not as bad as they seem.

Oh and forget not the sweet MERCHANT outfits as well.

[f0xx]

Immortals have tools to influence balance indirectly. I've left underdog cabals because they don't use them most of the time.

There is no fun in being a savant, having no lands, fighting against the odds, without standard and seeing how 3 warmasters who join after you, get to T before you. That considering you've killed each of them and their leader and elder.

This is a major problem here. What I mean is, people usually say: "If you didn't get what you think you deserved, then you probably didn't deserve it". The thing though, is that in FL, everything significant our character gets, an immortal must give i.e. the well being of you (your character) depends entirely on the good will of someone else, who might not like you at all. And as much as I want to believe that immortals are fair and non-biased, that is simply not true, because 1) they are human beings 2) there are too few of them.

To make it worse, there are different immortals leading different cabals, which means there are different requirements and different wait times for promotions. Not just that, but they seem very inconsistent too. For example, Tongar (nothing personal, just an example) sometimes promotes very fast, other times it seems very slow, which leaves a feeling that you are not doing something right, which might not be true at all and the reason might simply be inactivity or different play times.

Back on the subject - balance between cabals (good/evil). That can be very easily influenced by promotions and rewards. Our immortals prefer leaving things go the natural way though. Is that good or bad? I don't know, but if a 14 year old kid, that's been playing for less than a year can notice a problem, then I guess the answer is obvious.

[The Forsaken]

Foxx you took this in a completely different direction...He was talking about gear and numbers, you seem to have beef with how fast people get promoted in a cabal. A promotion from V to T isn't going to sway the influence from good to evil.

[Pali]

A promotion from V to T isn't going to sway the influence from good to evil.

Eh... while I wouldn't say it is the only or the most important factor, regularity of IMM (particularly cabal/qclass IMM) interaction IS a factor, assuming that a disparity actually exists rather than being simply perceived.

[f0xx]

A promotion from V to T isn't going to sway the influence from good to evil.

Or isn't it?

Lets say a knight immortal promotes much faster than a nexus immortal, this will certainly be a huge incentive for people to roll more knights. With more knights, this means there will be more EQ trips, with more EQ trips this means more uber EQ for goodies which means less uber EQ for evils. Now considering that a nexus immortal promotes slower, you have less allies, bad EQ, while the situation in knight is the opposite, isn't this going to sway balance?

The above is only a hypothetical situation.

If there is a situation in which goods are already strong, common sense dictates that one should stimulate evils, so the balance can be kept. Easiest way to do is via promotions. If the playerbase knows immortals are willing to stimulate balance via promotions, more people will want to roll their evil combos which they've put on hold for whatever reasons.

[Nightmare_from_hell]

I will guarantee you, 100% without a doubt, that the Immortals are well aware of this and use it when they deem necessary.

Join Savant if you want to see for yourself.

[Mindflayer]

From my experience Anume has always looked out for the underdogs, no matter what the cabal. So long as you're roleplaying and giving it your best, you will be rewarded for the effort.

[f0xx]

From my experience Anume has always looked out for the underdogs' date=' no matter what the cabal. So long as you're roleplaying and giving it your best, you will be rewarded for the effort.[/quote']

Well MF, you remember my savant halfling cleric? He entered savant before Grylok and the other three WM inductees. At that time Ulthar was V, Rhompt was E.

A month later, I was still V, two of the three inductees were T, Rhompt was L and Ulthar was T. That considering I was constantly fighting against multiple WMs, with no lands, no standard and being the only active savant. Still, four WM members were promoted faster than me, one of them up to L.

Why do you think WM is so strong atm? The fast promotions Tongar was giving then drew in a lot of people, hence my first post.

Immortals have the tools to either restore balance or sway it even further. They just have to use them.

[The-Nameless]

A cabal will get stronger if it has stronger leadership. Grylok is a strong character, and a great aid to help the cabal members who are less apt. You can see countless examples of this in Dave's playtime here.

Warmaster was mostly void when he rolled Aokami, then after he rolled they literally had to have battle clan members fight to see who could get in ( I know because my feral warrior got his face wrecked by merle and a fire lance)

Savant was flailing, then Sepahoona becomes more active, boom, savants joining in hordes.

Fl is a fluctuating place. There are times when goodies cannot get 2 onyx rings, and times evils are getting the you shall not pass speech.

My suggestion is keep playing your evil, you will catch the up swing. One of our PK hungry vets will get tired of the my little pony show that is going on and roll an evil to carve a name for themself in the skulls of some goodies.

Personally I think this would be the perfect time for a volatile aggressive neutral who is trying to preserve a true balance of good, and evil. Knowing that once evil is wiped out, it is only a matter of time before neutral is labeled as evil.

I actually like that idea. Time to write a description.

[f0xx]

A cabal will get stronger if it has stronger leadership.

Agreed, that is not the only reason for a cabal to be prosperous though.

That being said, Thulgan is just the same, if not even more cooperative. From my personal experience, even Anamus isn't as cooperative as Thulgan is.

[the_nightmare]

Well MF, you remember my savant halfling cleric? He entered savant before Grylok and the other three WM inductees. At that time Ulthar was V, Rhompt was E.

A month later, I was still V, two of the three inductees were T, Rhompt was L and Ulthar was T. That considering I was constantly fighting against multiple WMs, with no lands, no standard and being the only active savant. Still, four WM members were promoted faster than me, one of them up to L.

Why do you think WM is so strong atm? The fast promotions Tongar was giving then drew in a lot of people, hence my first post.

Immortals have the tools to either restore balance or sway it even further. They just have to use them.

Cant agree with u more here, i can give other countless examples.I remember as well when Volgathras was running nexus when I played Phamane i got V in four hours because of fighting when outnumbered and defending the cabal, so there are few exeptions.

[The-Nameless]

I agree with that, Thulgan, while being a vile mean and STRONG warrior, is much more apt to social interaction, and traveling, than Anamus.

Not downing Anamus at all, as I have interacted with Thulgan much more (all the way back to getting my face beaten by Thulgan during the opening rounds of the Great Melee organized by Svenik.) Anamus seems to pop on, and back out relatively quickly, but again I had odd playtimes.

[The Forsaken]

Well MF, you remember my savant halfling cleric? He entered savant before Grylok and the other three WM inductees. At that time Ulthar was V, Rhompt was E.

A month later, I was still V, two of the three inductees were T, Rhompt was L and Ulthar was T. That considering I was constantly fighting against multiple WMs, with no lands, no standard and being the only active savant. Still, four WM members were promoted faster than me, one of them up to L.

Why do you think WM is so strong atm? The fast promotions Tongar was giving then drew in a lot of people, hence my first post.

Immortals have the tools to either restore balance or sway it even further. They just have to use them.

Don't take this out of context because I never interacted with your savant halfling cleric. However, I did interact with Rompt, Grylock, and to a smaller degree, Ulthar. All of them had great RP, Rhompt having EXCEPTIONAL RP AND PK. Look at his record now. 151-40. Over 3-1. Yeah he got promoted quickly. He was good at what he did and it happened to be the same thing that Warmasters wanted people to do. Plus he was on for what seemed like 20 per day for the first few months. Fast promo's didn't draw people to Warmaster. Rhompt did.

If you haven't gotten T in a cabal other than Tribunal, and you've physically been in it for a month... AND you are getting your log time in....then you're most likely doing something not to deserve it and need to fix that, or the cabal IMM is on vacation. That's the way I'd look at myself it if was happening.

What happened to 'Work hard for it and get it'? Geeze. All I'm reading is 'They have it why can't I?' Blah blah blah 1%.

[The-Nameless]

I have been promoted very fast (M straight to T) and I have had to wait to get promoted to V. I have been V for 2 months before. Usually the effort you put into your character is rewarded through promotions, titles, unique items, and the most gratifying, one on one imm interaction. I have had three "rewards" that I liked more than anything I have ever gotten in FL. The first, RP with Zhokril where we almost burned down the sanctuary of contraptions, Second RP with Anume where I burned down the northern half of Val Miran, Third RP with Chayesh that ended in the god of death ressurecting me .

The moment you stop expecting things you usually get them. Ask anyone who has waited 120 hours for a quest class/race. They almost deleted three times, then when you finally expect to not be approved, you get that sweet green text.

[f0xx]

All of them had great RP' date=' Rhompt having EXCEPTIONAL RP AND PK. Look at his record now. 151-40. Over 3-1. Yeah he got promoted quickly.[/quote']

Hey mate, I know he was good.

My record with him was 2-1 in my favour though.

Gonna stop here now, since this is getting offtopic.

[Brehan]

Well MF, you remember my savant halfling cleric? He entered savant before Grylok and the other three WM inductees. At that time Ulthar was V, Rhompt was E.

A month later, I was still V, two of the three inductees were T, Rhompt was L and Ulthar was T. That considering I was constantly fighting against multiple WMs, with no lands, no standard and being the only active savant. Still, four WM members were promoted faster than me, one of them up to L.

Why do you think WM is so strong atm? The fast promotions Tongar was giving then drew in a lot of people, hence my first post.

Immortals have the tools to either restore balance or sway it even further. They just have to use them.

What happened to you was an oversight, Anume had already thought you were trusted. Quit trying to make it out like it was intentional. You decided to quit the character even after you were promoted to trusted when Anume learned that you were not. We are sorry we do not go through every cabal at every moment of our lives to make sure you are getting what you deserve, we do try but that obviously is not enough for some people.