-Totenkopf- Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 The point? Meditating 6 ticks hidden somewhere away from harm is at the top end of the difficulty scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Uh, I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing anywhere here. However, after playing Zleiaur (who wasn't an Assassinate ninja) and getting several successful assasinates, I'll say that ninja tone downs have been done very flavor-fully. It takes a very long time to assassinate someone if you're any of the other paths, and requires a loooot of patience. If you're falcon eye, well, you're just that. Take away the surprise, and you're pretty pointless. Your melee is sub-par, you rely on assassinate.. well, you're just a one side ninja. I think ninjitsu's probably do need to be looked at, but, (in the past, I would have never said this, but after playing a ninja I'm in agreeance) Assassinate has been toned enough. People bitching about having to worry during cabal wars about being assassinated is pretty funny, tbh. Especially if said ninja is your enemy. Don't go to war with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 I haven't played an assassinate ninja since the changes. Played three before them. Hmm. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_nightmare Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 If you're falcon eye, well, you're just that. Take away the surprise, and you're pretty pointless. Your melee is sub-par, you rely on assassinate.. well, you're just a one side ninja. I think ninjitsu's probably do need to be looked at, but, (in the past, I would have never said this, but after playing a ninja I'm in agreeance) Assassinate has been toned enough. People bitching about having to worry during cabal wars about being assassinated is pretty funny, tbh. Especially if said ninja is your enemy. Don't go to war with them? It's funny how people change their opinions depending on what will favor them.Before years when I was playing falcon eyed ninja you was complaining how assassinate should be tweaked, now you are telling me that assassinate is fine....You tell me that assassinate has been toned enough, so two ticks to study someone is fine?Jeez, it's not hard to guess who you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Uh, haven't played in awhile. But you go ahead and throw your assumptions at me. It was exceptionally hard to study as Zleiaur. Before you could just immediately flee (as a ninja, while studying) when dirt kicked/etc and keep the study. As Zleiaur, you immediately lost the study the moment you got hurt the slightest, if you didn't memorize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_nightmare Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Actually it works the same way still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Unless it was changed at some point and changed back, ninjas have lost unmemorized studies when hurt since 1.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Let me re-explain. When you're attacked as a ninja (we're talking a year ago, for instance) and it's the beginning of a round, like: dirt kick, push, murder, etc, if you fled before the next round, you didn't lose the studies you didn't memorize on. When I had Zleiaur, you DID, immediately, the moment you took ANY damage (including hunger). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Totenkopf- Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Was Zleiaur an avian watcher ninja? Funnily, I think I kept a wide berth as even a vampire if thats the one I am thinking of. I've never been a assassianted but I generally keep a very wide berth to any ninjas. And if I cant see them, I usually have the opinion of 'why even bother'. Unfortunately hide and camoflauge in general are the get away free button. I think there should be a much higher chance of failure. What say you, 75% chance of success maximum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Let me re-explain. When you're attacked as a ninja (we're talking a year ago, for instance) and it's the beginning of a round, like: dirt kick, push, murder, etc, if you fled before the next round, you didn't lose the studies you didn't memorize on. When I had Zleiaur, you DID, immediately, the moment you took ANY damage (including hunger). I could swear it always was that way, but... *shrugs* I must admit, it has been a while, and my memory could be playing tricks on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archbishop Monk Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Eh, if you're going to have hide only be 75% or something chance, then you'll have to rework all rogue survivability skills because a rogue that can't hide well is dead (unless you're an ogre/stone ranger). However, I would be in favor of giving them a limited chance to hide while hurt if we take away all the little herbal brews. Say 75% if hurt. That way, rogue still get the surprise, but not the free get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Noticed the ninja thread so I couldn't resist posting. So I'll say that the ninja thing has been done to death. There have been so many threads about them. Maybe its best to just end this one and use the search function? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmongrel Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Actually, i think thats a really good idea. Not just ninjas but anyone who can hide or camo, if more than half hurt your ability to hide or camo should drop dramatically. I would think itd be harder to stay quiet in the shadows or bushes and unseen if you are covered in cuts and dripping blood all over the place. As for the whole ninkas during cabal warfare. I think its pretty easy to avoid the study unless you are playing the aggressor and taking the enemy standard. Its more dangerous for the allies of the ninja (given the ninja is evil). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmongrel Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 PS, I dont know why ninjas rely SO much on assassinate though, I had a feral ninja in warmaster and a couple diff ones in syndi, the warmaster Never used assassinate and the syndi only did on the most difficult melees at the time. Ninjas are pretty scary in battle when played right, the fact that they have a chance to assassinate ontop of that makes them even more deadly, but the ninjas that dont feel the need to always assassinate have always been the ones that made me nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 PS' date=' I dont know why ninjas rely SO much on assassinate though...[/quote'] Because it's a win button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forsaken Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Feral ninja's are a bit more melee heavy though. I had a watcher feral ninja that could take down ogre warriors in melee. Drow/Elf on the other hand have a harder time (I think?/hope?) in melee combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 I think it is funny that a thread like this opens up everytime a player rolls a ninja and actively pks at 50 in cabal wars. It is not that hard to avoid being studied. Play defensively for one, also it is not mandatory to rush to the enemies base to retrieve your standard the second the take it. Use some tact and retrieve on your terms. You also need to make the ninja know you know they are there with random fae fog and fireballs in potential rooms they could be hiding in, at least then they have to work to get the study on you instead of just sitting in one spot and doing it with ease. Lastly if you KNOW you have been studied a lot and are about to get assassinated then log off for a while, or if you refuse to log off at least go somewhere you wont be found and the ninja might just abandon their studies for a new and easier target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibber Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 +1. Good advice here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Usually me personally I can avoid being studied and such, the point of the thread was how much harder it is to avoid with the multiple wars. You are fighting a Warmaster, then a Watcher comes about. You defend attack.....opps killed by a Nexus! FUN TIMES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Yeah def fun times Those to me are the best times lol Right now not logging in, these are the worst times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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