Imoutgoodbye Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 This is great, this is awesome, this is funny! http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 LOL I can see where this thread is going. Jon Stewart is a great comedian... and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 LOL I can see where this thread is going. Jon Stewart is a great comedian... and that's it. I don't think he's ever called himself anything else. In fact, I recall a couple of great segments where he's taken people to task (usually Fox News correspondents) for treating him like a reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insepiddeception Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I watched this video and got sucked into about 10 more videos....d*** you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3rrrdgrrrl Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Which in turn got me sent 10 videos! so what^^ he said lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insepiddeception Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 lol. collateral damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I don't think he's ever called himself anything else. In fact' date=' I recall a couple of great segments where he's taken people to task (usually Fox News correspondents) for treating him like a reporter.[/quote'] Pali you have to admit that's a pretty fallacious comment. Jon Stewart might advertise himself as 'just a comedian', but he is more than willing to allow and even encourage his followers to treat him as some unbiased news source. It isn't a long shot from there for other, more serious reporters to refer to him as one as well, however poorly he actually fills that role. Jon Stewart has some funny bits, as long as you realize his comedy is based on misrepresenting people and events for comedic effect. Most of his followers, I've found, are unable to make that separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Pali you have to admit that's a pretty fallacious comment. Jon Stewart might advertise himself as 'just a comedian'' date=' but he is more than willing to allow and even encourage his followers to treat him as some unbiased news source.[/quote'] No, I don't, because it isn't, and he has explicitly said that he is not fair or unbiased on the show and in interviews multiple times. I can find clips to back this statement up if you do not believe it. Edit: And I would be incredibly surprised if you could give me anything that actually supports your claim that he encourages people to treat him as an unbiased news source. Yes, sometimes his comedy is based on misrepresenting people. Most of the time it isn't. Does it sometimes take more than simply watching The Daily Show to have an appropriate understanding of which is which? Yes. But considering that Fox News does a crapton of reporting based on misrepresenting things, I really don't care that a comedy show does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 John Stewart uses comedy as lube to deliver his message. He will crack a joke, then go into a string of rather informative points, then crack a joke. He is keeping the "children" entertained, so he can deliver his message. The moment he is taken as a serious news source, is the moment he loses this behind the defences delivery method. He shows us that most of the media mogels take themselves more seriously than they take the news. Though he does rip on politicians pretty evenly, he offers no quarter for what he, and many of his fans, consider gross misuse of electoral power and tax dollars (so he appears these day to be heavy against the GOP...which he wasnt in the early years.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted April 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Just pointing out that this thread only went in the direction the repliers took it in, which was to begin critiquing Jon Stewart's show and what exactly it should mean to people. In which case I'm more than happy to say I use Jon Stewart clips as a countermeasure to Fox News. I've recently begun working towards a summer project of organizing county-wide efforts within the state of Michigan to make certain few Republicans return to office. I'm hoping Pali's going to do the same thing in Wisconsin. Governor Walker has to be the biggest tyrant I've ever seen and Governor Snyder is just a more suave version of him. I've also found evidence that Fluoride is a poison and yet dentists everywhere push it. Several European countries have banned its use in water. Way to go consumerism and capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Jon Stewart is hilarious. Regardless of whether you see him as a pundit, an actor, a reporter, a comedian, or a prematurely graying middle-aged Jewish guy, he is hilarious. The fact that he's well-educated and informed doesn't detract from that - all it does is set him above 90% of the American population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Dont misunderstand me, I watch the Daily Show every night, my wife and I wont miss it for anything. I think its good what he is doing. Opening peoples eyes to the total rediculous hypocricy that our "trusted" media has become. As well as the downward spiral of politics in general. I also think he does a good job of asking questions of his geusts that are what the American people would ask. To be honest, I think he interviews people with way more tact and intelligence than any of the major news networks. My only regret is not going to his rally last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I've also found evidence that Fluoride is a poison and yet dentists everywhere push it. Several European countries have banned its use in water. Way to go consumerism and capitalism. Toxicity relates to dosage. The amounts used by dentists are pretty negligible on that count. Fluoride mostly becomes a problem only when ground water is contaminated by significant amounts of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted April 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 This is true. However, fluoride has an accumulative effect in bones. Cutting it out where you can is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 That's only if you actually consume it - pretty much all of what is used for oral care gets rinsed out of the mouth. What's more of a concern is that the FDA apparently isn't listening much to studies suggesting that we should lower the current legal limit for fluoride in water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Well I'm definitely outnumbered in this thread! Just a couple of points: Jon Stewart is a liberal, and most of his viewers tend to be liberal as well. Whatever message he tries to deliver in any given segment, while it might be humorous (occasionally!), is definitely not unbiased. Pali hates Fox News! ...though I'd argue the fact that Fox News is the only major news network with a conservative bias skews his opinion. Actually, I'd argue Fox News to be more honest (note: I didn't say they were honest, I just said they were more honest) than CNN or NBC... just take a look at NBC's recent firings over their purposefully altered data concerning the Zimmerman case. I only use mouthwash with fluoride in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Fluoride is only beneficial when applied topically. Drinking it is questionable. Therefore, adding fluoride to municipal water supplies for public consumption is questionable. Yet, to date, adding fluoride to public water supplies is one of the most upheld public health interventions of the twentieth century. Unfortunately, as Valek noted, fluoride tends to bio-accumulate in the environment and in the human body. Literature on the long-term environmental and medical consequences of such interventions is lacking. Adding fluoride to municipal water supplies is a population-based solution to an individual behavioral problem. I happen to live in a county that does not add fluoride to the water. However, trace amounts of fluoride make it into the water as a result of other counties fluoride initiatives. The solution is simple: brush your damn teeth, contact your representatives, and stop spending tax dollars on broad fluoride interventions. It's not meant for drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Well I'm definitely outnumbered in this thread! Just a couple of points: Jon Stewart is a liberal, and most of his viewers tend to be liberal as well. Whatever message he tries to deliver in any given segment, while it might be humorous (occasionally!), is definitely not unbiased. Never disagreed that he's biased, only with your contention that he presents himself as unbiased. Pali hates Fox News! ...though I'd argue the fact that Fox News is the only major news network with a conservative bias skews his opinion. Actually, I'd argue Fox News to be more honest (note: I didn't say they were honest, I just said they were more honest) than CNN or NBC... just take a look at NBC's recent firings over their purposefully altered data concerning the Zimmerman case. A curious position to hold when study after study has found Fox viewers to be consistently the most misinformed - often moreso than people who don't watch the news. If you want sources, I'll provide when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yeay fluoride! Kill that Kreb's cycle for all that nasty bacteria in my mouth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 You just blinded me with science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Fluoride is effective in mouthwash because it blocks a key metabolic pathway in the Kreb's cycle! Can you see again Steven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 A curious position to hold when study after study has found Fox viewers to be consistently the most misinformed - often moreso than people who don't watch the news. If you want sources, I'll provide when I get home. Right... I'm sure these studies obtained randomly sampled groups that were of large enough size and picked from a wide enough geographical area to accurately represent the total viewership of each respective network, and were then asked unbiased questions in a double blind study. All of which has nothing to do with the measure of a network's bias or honesty. You are essentially saying "this person watches Fox and knows less than this other person who watches CNN", a statement which essentially holds no informational value outside of a single comparison for two specific persons. The fact is that Fox News is the only major network that gives conservatives any love, which in turn effects how the network is viewed by people of opposing beliefs. Compare the amount of coverage that NBC or CNN or CBS give to conservative views to the amount of coverage that Fox gives to liberal views, and I think most anyone will agree that Fox does the best at giving time to both sides, even if it still favors the conservative side. Even Hillary Clinton agrees: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/hillary-clinton-there-wer_n_134544.html side note: I very rarely watch TV news to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 If you don't watch it, how do you think you have an informed opinion on its content? Edit: As for studies... the best ones I've seen were the ones conducted at Stanford regarding climate change science, at Ohio State regarding the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, PIPA and Knowledge Networks regarding the Iraq War, WorldPublicOpinion.org and Knowledge Networks regarding the 2010 election, and one published in the International Journal of Press and Politics again regarding climate change. You are welcome to judge them for yourself. And no, it is not a matter of knowing less - it is knowing wrong. Consistently, nationally, across a variety of factual topics. There are other studies that I consider far weaker in their methodology or subject matter which I have not presented here, yet also show the same results on yet more topics. I have yet to see one in the other direction, and I have looked. My judgment of Fox News is a result of its dishonesty, not its conservatism. This is a network that, when covering the protests in Madison last year, was showing footage of far more raucous and violent protests in other places in the background, with nothing on screen or in the dialogue to suggest that the footage was not Madison. It has earned my disrespect because of its behavior, not its beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Fox news echos the gop agenda. They do no report news, they report the GOP vision of the news. They are a political propoganda engine. I would liken them to the news media in George Orwells 1984, always for the party, and only for the truth if it just happens to coincide with the parties agenda. Inscribed, you should broaden your horizons. Approach those other news sources with as much caution as you deem neccesary. However, do not let skepticism turn into a closed mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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