Dropping Link to Avoid Lag

[f0xx]

I am sorry I hurt your feelings. My post was mostly aimed at Emp trying to make a huge problem out of it.

[Warmongrel]

Now thats the love im looking for! I personally drop link about 100 times per log ever since i started playing from a phone. So a lag afterwards would be torcher. For me though i typically have a lag or delay of seeing my text that far exceeds the lag of my commands, so dropping link to "clear my plate" is pointless. But back in the days of real computers I must say I used it from time to time, though I rarely fought people that I didnt see do it. In retrospect I guess it does seem like breaking rp, but how do you really know if someone does it on purpose or not? You dont, so if you see it, just let it go. if it cost you a victory, or you think it cost you a victory, better luck next time.

[The-Nameless]

I don't like the idea that you can use an out of game mechanic to gain a serious advantage in game. I love how out of all the people who think this is wrong I'm the one who gets singled out.

[Evangelion]

Using triggers to chase your opponent (particularly as a minotaur) is using an out of game mechanic to get a serious advantage in game.

Using social circles to set up group trips and cabal affairs, coordinate PK, etc. is using an out of game mechanic to get a serious advantage in game.

Using the disconnect button to clear your output buffer? Not that big of an advantage. It's useful in one situation, a minimal amount of the time.

Making any hard-coded changes (or even attempting to enforce a mandate about using this tactic) would not only be approaching a trivial problem with an overabundance of attention, it would also be more headache than anyone on staff could want or deserve. I think it's frivolous and wrought by player frustration, just like 90% of the other issues that are brought to light on the forums.

Like I said, I would propose that the staff's time would be better spent affecting changes, implementing content, and interacting with players. Not hunting down people who drop link for two seconds to get rid of a stray command.

[The-Nameless]

Not a single one if those can't happen normally. I was accused of trigger chasing before because of the speed I could reengage at. Organising trips ooc can be troubling but again you could have asked in game and gotten the same results. None of these are a reset button. D/Cingular is a reset. Using an ooc mechanic to gain an ice advantage is something I can't agree is OK.

[tassinvegeta]

Meh, doesn't bother me too much. After all the hype about it I wonder if I should start doing it myself. But I'd have to log in manually which might take even longer. Like many others I'd rather be discussing new changes

[Twinblades713]

It kinda reminds me of a bunch of p2p games where if you pay real money, you do get favored. As in you can get different EQ if you pay in the pay pal currency of the game, or exp boosts, or etc. And casual players end up leaving those games, and all the hardcore players get the perks. Flyff, Ace Online, Space Cowboy, Cabal Online, Ragnarok, Shaiya, Maple Story (barf) just to prove I'm not talking out my ***. This isn't to say FL is like those since it's free. I'm making an observation, which I assume and expect will be promptly rebutted.

It's like the hardcore players that need to win at any cost will: Use charge triggers, d/c to drop link and save lag, run to their pits to save EQ, roll the obviously available power combos. I liken them to the ones who will pay $50 to get the Godsuit in the aforementioned gaming communities.

The thing is these will always be here. We will never be able to outrun the arms race for a better client, a faster trigger, and lazier way to train. I myself use training triggers. I single no one out, nor care to. I just wanted to voice this comparison that I've observed. Do I want to be able to chargelock anyone? Yes. Have I rolled a mino to do so? Yes. Have I done it? No, not because I feel better than anyone, I just don't want to spend the time putting it together and spending more time in my client than IG. Ultimately the reason I don't take advantage of these is not cause I think I'm better than anyone, far from it. I'm just lazy as ****.

No point getting mad when someone wants to spend more time putting extra work in. In my opinion it makes my experience more mechanical and less real. That's not why I come here. What's it to me if the guy on the other side does it. Just gotta beat the trigger.

[f0xx]

The amount of whining about minor things compared to more important ones have always amused me greatly.

Ice advantage... lol.

If D/C is ice advantage, then wimpy must be something divine.

[Iyorvin]

I don't care either way, I'm just bored and want some one to listen to my opinion.

There was a post about trigger chasing, OOC groups, and comparing it to DC. I like that post. To be honest though, I dont' think I could play this game again if I couldn't organize some OOC groups to better manage my free time to 'play' a game. I'm not playing, just saying that I doubt I would play a game that would require me to wait for more players to be logged on to even level(assuming the questing system was never fixed. If it is some one should be sending emails to old players letting them know all the great changes ).

Also, what I didn't read or see addressed anywhere in this thread was the fact you can set up macro's for login? So literally the people really utilizing this, especially back in the old day, were just clicking two buttons and being back in. In fact, some one with minimal knowledge of their mouse/keyboard could log back in without even moving the mouse.

I've always been on the fence about any of this. You really can't regulate OOC fairly, so just stop trying. Let the game evolve and if you get left behind(this guy), then STFU!

[Mister E]

I don't like the idea that you can use an out of game mechanic to gain a serious advantage in game.

This is blown way out of proportion.

Nobody is gaining an advantage with this, let alone a serious one, NO ONE, they are at BEST negating a disadvantage and usually marginally. I have never won a pk from using this "tactic" but there have been times when I have accidentaly or purposely entered a command and then decided it would be better to hit alt+f then r then to have that command go through.

Yes it has saved my life a handful of times over years of play when I entered a 2 round lag command just as sanc drops, but it cannot ever give an advantage, it can only help you undo a mistake. I can sort of understand why someone might get annoyed when their opponent does this, but I agree with Bali and Pali here that this does not require immortal action.

[The Forsaken]

This is blown way out of proportion.

Nobody is gaining an advantage with this, let alone a serious one, NO ONE, they are at BEST negating a disadvantage and usually marginally. I have never won a pk from using this "tactic" but there have been times when I have accidentaly or purposely entered a command and then decided it would be better to hit alt+f then r then to have that command go through.

Yes it has saved my life a handful of times over years of play when I entered a 2 round lag command just as sanc drops, but it cannot ever give an advantage, it can only help you undo a mistake. I can sort of understand why someone might get annoyed when their opponent does this, but I agree with Bali and Pali here that this does not require immortal action.

ad·van·tage noun \əd-ˈvan-tij

a factor or circumstance of benefit to its possessor.

Yes, it does give an advantage by undoing a mistake.

[Mister E]

Technically it is not even undoing anything, it is preventing something from happening. It is not the same as an advantage and nothing you can say will change that.

[Pali]

Technically it is not even undoing anything' date=' it is preventing something from happening. It is not the same as an advantage and nothing you can say will change that.[/quote']

The ability to prevent a mistake from happening is something I'd count as an advantage. It's something I consider a very tiny advantage, and one that anyone can take advantage of, but it does remain an advantage by definition.

[Mister E]

Sigh, fine, by definition it is an advantage, but the spirit of this thread is that there are players using an unfair mechanic to win at PK when this is clearly not the case. Firstly, anyone can do it so if you choose not to then perhaps you are actually disadvantaging yourself. Secondly it cannot allow you to do anything above and beyond the normal rules of the FL universe, that is why I think it is a non issue. At best one can do this to prevent a mistake, big deal.

[Pali]

Sigh' date=' fine, by definition it is an advantage, but the spirit of this thread is that there are players using an unfair mechanic to win at PK when this is clearly not the case...At best one can do this to prevent a mistake, big deal.[/quote']

You won't find much argument from me. I couldn't care less if someone does it.

[The-Nameless]

Make a list of the top tier PKers here. The people who are consistantly wrecking the pbase. Then let us examine how many d/c to clear spammed commands. Now let us examine how many just don't spam commands. There is a link there i dare say.

Another scenario. I can't punch Bali in the face, then realize I did not really want to do that (I know, not likely but it COULD happen). I have to decide if I really want to do that BEFORE I swing. I realize correlating IC to real life scenarios don't exactly work, but the fundamental reasoning is all there.

It is like using crutches when you don't have a broken ankle. Your using a support mechanism for something you don't need support for.

[Akoz]

check ur pm boxe namelesss

[Pali]

Make a list of the top tier PKers here. The people who are consistantly wrecking the pbase. Then let us examine how many d/c to clear spammed commands. Now let us examine how many just don't spam commands. There is a link there i dare say.

Yes, while everybody else just spams commands in every fight and d/cs in every fight to clear them. EDIT: Yes, not spamming is part of the skill involved in playing here... but the truth is that d/cing to kill a spammed command is always going to be an inferior tactic than not spamming in the first place, and everybody knows it, so everybody aims for it. I seriously doubt anybody uses d/cing as a regular, dependable replacement for simply not spamming - I think it is used pretty rarely to deal with the occasional slip-up. It is not a big issue.

How often do I d/c in a fight to clear a spammed command? Incredibly rarely, though on occasion. How often do I do it so that I'm free to RP when someone sends me a tell while I'm training or an IMM pops in? Pretty commonly. Does the latter bother you?

And if we're going to get all realistic on this... a spammed command is, in essence, something your character is planning to do but has not done yet. Now, a tick (an hour) tends to be around, say, 10ish rounds. That means each round takes about six minutes to happen. Now, sure, I may be planning to bash the guy again 12 minutes after I last did it, but I think there's plenty of time there for me to change my mind. Therefore, I say we should make it easier to cancel a spammed command - let's create a new command that will cancel your last command that has yet to go through. (This suggestion should in no way be taken seriously.)

[Mindflayer]

I was recently PK'ed because I didn't break link to remove spam. I refuse to do it, even when I know I'm going to die. It's cheap.

[Pali]

I was recently PK'ed because I didn't break link to remove spam. I refuse to do it' date=' even when I know I'm going to die. It's cheap.[/quote']

So are triggers. Cheap !=illegal.

[Trick]

I use three macros.

8 = dirt

9 = bash/throw/trip/etc

0 = murder

Don't use triggers, D/C, or aliases. All too complicated and way too much. I use the classic direction/enter method, not this new keypad style crap.