inscribed Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 The average US citizen commits three felonies a day. What 'crime' will the government decide to come after you for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Did Stossel actually state support for decriminalizing drugs and prostitution? I'm impressed. And yeah, there is a lot of BS being done to people in that video, no doubt about it. I am all in favor of simplifying our legal system and doing what can be done to make such predatory prosecutions less commonplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted April 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 John Stossel is a very vocal libertarian, so of course he supports it. Fox News is the only major news network willing to air his show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Imoutgoodbye Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I'll take a look at some of his shows after finals week, but, I find myself more likely to agree with libertarians at times more than any other republican off shoot. That said, when it comes to less government with republicans, I see why Fox News IS airing his show, if your tag line is indicative of the content. Typically, Fox News uses FEAR as its main club for why people should get rid of the government. Of course, I'm biased to the point of associating republicans wanting less government for the same reason crooks want less cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killalou Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Very informative link, thanks inscribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 John Stossel is a very vocal libertarian' date=' so of course he supports it.[/quote'] Hey man, I'm just glad you and I are on the same page somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Hey man' date=' I'm just glad [b']somebody and I are on the same page somewhere. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I lol'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's not my fault you people make no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's also not my fault they don't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted May 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 That said, when it comes to less government with republicans, I see why Fox News IS airing his show, if your tag line is indicative of the content. Typically, Fox News uses FEAR as its main club for why people should get rid of the government. Of course, I'm biased to the point of associating republicans wanting less government for the same reason crooks want less cops. This is what big government gets you, Valek. Some men need a large government to provide them with a false sense of safety and security, others would rather have their freedom. The two are mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Great false dichotomy there. Out of curiosity, inscribed, would you prefer us to not have a police force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Remember, the sick deserve to die. The poor are just lazy, schools are a waste of money, and we dont need no handouts. Vote republican 2012, because we all want to be slaves to the romans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Such sarcasm and alot of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 The problem is the political parties are so vastly divided. There is no safe middle ground, your either a dem, a rep, or your some poor slob trying to choose the most qualified of the remaining idiots to earn your vote. I really hate it personally. Espescially since most politicians are not from middle to lower class america, they do not see the same needs that the majority does. They see it as OK to offer XXXX township a 500k grant to improve some of their parks, when in reality that 500k needs to be funneled somewhere that it is going to be a bigger benefit (creating jobs?). There are so many flaws in our current political setup that it just does not function anymore. Remember this system was designed when there where 13 states. THIRTEEN. Needless to say the growth of america has stifled the ability of the government to actually govern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Well Said Nameless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Its not hard, its pretty simple. If you like your paycheck, vote Democrat. If you like womans rights, vote democrat. If you like workers rights, Democrat If you like science, democrat If you like care for Veterans, democrat If you like the environment, democrat If you like affordable education, democrat If you're a christian, and follow Jesus' teachings, Democrat If you have a pre-existing condition, and dont want to die, vote Democrat These things have each been declared targets by the current GOP. They work hard to abolish woman's rights, reduce minimum wage, refute science by plugigng their ears and screaming. They claim to have "faith" in christianity, yet their actions are the exact opposite of the teachings of that religion. Their idea of budget cutting is to cut off what little help we give our poor. Do you know what happens when you do that? Historically it is easy to find evidence of what Austerity measures create, it is rebellions and riots. The current GOP is even guilty of what I consider a horrific abuse of office. They swore oaths to uphold the constitution, yet then swore a SECOND oath to Norquist to never raise taxes. This has made it impossible for them to live up to their obligations as Congressmen. you cant run a country, a buisness, a household, without creating and utilizing new revenue streams. Their anti tax mentality has ruined our country, did you know that the bush tax cuts is the first time in American history that we cut taxes WHILE in a war. You can use simple addition and subtraction to see this was a bad bad bad bad idea. It is just disgusting, and you know what, I voted Republican back in the day. I used to like their ideals, when they had reason behind them. Nowadays though, these guys have lost the vision, the old elephant is crying. My only hope is that enough people wake up to what these guys are trying to do to us. and the comments about moderation not existing are quite off. Our very president is a moderate, look at his histroy of compromise. When compared to the current GOP, the Democrats are all moderate, lol. Of course to do that, you have to research facts, not the baseless rhetoric spewed forth by our GOP reps, aka lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Their idea of budget cutting is to cut off what little help we give our poor. Do you know what happens when you do that? Historically it is easy to find evidence of what Austerity measures create, it is rebellions and riots. What we little we give them? My Sister and her husband dont maintain steady jobs. She cant stand to listen to anyone but herself and he is to good to work fast food but both claim "I cant get a job". They also in this condition decided to have two kids. The recive $695 in food stamps Hudd Housing which covers the $700 rent & $100 In electric They both also have gold cards (Free Medical/Dental/Prescriptions) Are using WIC which gives them $300 a month for food and other stuff. and both kids get Medicaid (Free medical/dental/prescriptions) and they got $5437 for INCOME TAX. I pay $400 a month for my insurance that doesnt even cover everything. but we will go with that for a numer. You are right the $2200 a month + $5437 they get a year is to little. Thats about what I make a month working a full time job and support my fiance who is going to school and we pay for her school. I eat raeman noodles a good 4 times a week and use other ways to bypass costs. I don't get ANYTHING from the goverment. They eat MUCH better then I do and get to go our to movies, smoke ciggeretes, smoke pot. The poverty threshold for a family group of four, including two children, in the US is $22,133 Well I guess the goverment is keep lazy people $9,704 above poverty. TAX FREE. I wish people in this country knew what POOR was. I lived on the streets for 2 months begging and that was CAKE compared to what I have seen in south ameria CAKE. EDIT: Fixed some mistakes. EDIT: This was not ment as a rant @ you Kyz, Its one thing I feel strongly about is all. I like some things democrat and some things republican. I have always voted republican except I voted for Clinton. I would however like to seem my self more moderate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 So we provide enough, that a family raising kids can barely feed them and wont ever be able to save a thing for their future, or afford to educate those kids beyond the public system. What about YOUR tax refund, and YOUR aid. Do you just not apply? If your income is what you say it is, you would be able to get aid and should be getting income tax credits yourself. If you had 2 kids, at your income level, you would get foodstamps, medicaid, and everything else you listed for them. I am not saying the program is perfect, by any stretch. Imagine though, if this wasnt available for your friend, or for you if you say..accidently had twins. What would these people do? For the answer to that question, turn to London, last year, and read the lists of complaints the rioters had. dont worry about offending me with rants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Cant save? I seem to save just fine, and I don't NEED aid why take it? I am surviving just fine within my limits. I could care less if they cant save. They some cigerettes, they smoke pot, they eat steak once a week & eat out often enough. I dont "Accidently" have kids, I take messures to keep from that. We want a kid SO bad, but we don't have one until she is done with school because its RESPONSIBLE. My tax return? I got $487 and I worked ALL year for it. Fiances return? $132. I quallify for food stamps NOW, I don't need them! Thats the point. To many people take what they don't need or are to lazy to work for. Yes, there ARE needy people and some peole do need a little help. But the stipulations and regulations for getting that help need to be higher. Aww you have to work for your help? Well I am sorry, guess you could be out WORKING instead. If it wasnt available to my sister, maybe she would stop smoking a pack a day, maybe her husband would too. Maybe they wouldnt light a join every time they woke up, and turned around. Maybe he would MAN THE **** up and go work @ wendys. I did for 4 years. I worked a full time job @ wendys and a part time job @ Mcdonalds While going to school. Should I have had a better job? Yes. Was I over qualified? YES. But you know what? I did what I had to do for me. IF I had to kids, I would work more to provide for them. God forbid If I ever need help, there will be some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Democrat? Republican? Different? Hah! We have a one-party system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IWDJEc92d38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Cant save? I seem to save just fine, and I don't NEED aid why take it? I am surviving just fine within my limits. Then you cant say its unfair, if you elect to NOT take aid...thats pointless, why force you and your family to live less than they are able to? It is perfectly fair, you would have far more disposable income if you actually took the time to apply for aid, which is your right as an american. How is it rightfor you, to purposefully refuse help, then talk down to those who took advantage of their rights as citizens? I bet if we added to your estimated income, all the food stamps and other aid you could get, you would see the benefit of your working Vs. your sister not. The only reason she has more than you, in your scenario, is because you are what...to good for help? My tax return? I got $487 and I worked ALL year for it. Fiances return? $132. Small tax return just means you get more money from each check than most people who have a large tax return. You dont "work for" a tax return, lol, you work...and get a refund if you pay TO MUCH in taxes (that is why it is called a REFUND). If your getting a small return, yet are receiving the earned income tax credit (which you should with your income), then your just getting less taxes out of each check to compensate. In handling my own taxes and exemptions, I tend to aim for a $0 state and fed return. My wife and I donate to several charities though, so we end up with a little refund each year. I would never adjust things to pay MORE in taxes, just to get a bigger refund. Though my situation is much different than the one you described. Thats another thing too, your attitude about recieving help, you do realize your paying for this aid in taxes, its not free you know. You have been paying for it your whole working life. BTW if you are NOT getting the Earned Income Credit, fire whoever does your taxes. By what you have said here, you should qualify easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I know I have been paying for that aid. Why a bunch of lazy, stud doing, illegal immigrants who dont pay for anything revive it? They should have to go through the same be o do working. Can find work? Well the food bank needs help. Go get some hours in there and revive your aid. Oh you want aid? Just pee in this cup here. Oh you want aid? I'd please. And please don't take it the wrong way. Not all people who get help are this. But I can promise nearly half are. EIC is below my 31k a year salary so far that I know. It's not their right to not work and live off other people its their right to get help when needed I'm not to good for help. Like I said I am comfortable in my life. I saved for two cars. I live in a house. I have pets who are happy and Iam happy. Me not abusing the system in no way makes me to good. If you belive people should have the oppertunity to opt out on working while the sit back, relax, get high and live off other people then by all means. I how ever do not. Sorry for run on paragraph phone texting hard. EDIT: You dont "work for" a tax return, lol, you work...and get a refund if you pay TO MUCH in taxes (that is why it is called a REFUND). Funny... she didnt work @ all and got 5k+. Thats why I said WORKED for mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Im sorry but I cannot agree with the mentality that if somkeone refuses to work, that me working should help them. It is one thing to have a disability, or condition that legitimately halts you from working, but if your *** won't go work you need to be hungry. If you don't wanna ask if I want fries with that, my taxes better not be going to keep a roof over your head. You can call me pitiless, you can blame it on my dad listening to rush while I was a kid. My mom had cancer for 11 years before she died. She worked for 9 of those years until chemo caused her to have lupis (sp?). She had 3 kids, outside of myself, and never got food stamps. She never got hudd housing, she never got any cash assistance. I have been homeless, I have been jobless. You better damn well believe if anyone had a now hiring sign I was there selling myself for min wage. Why work for 300 dollars a week? Well it is a hell of alot better than nothing a week. I would personally rather give money to a homeless guy in ratty clothes walking around stinking of booze. At least he has the balls to ask. Meanwhile you get people who get a house, as much food as they can eat, a 10 dollar electric bill (I have seen that one first hand) and never have to roll out of bed. Meanwhile I am up at 6 am, getting home around 6 pm. I don't get to go spend all my money on bull. I got bills and ****. Now please do not take the above rant to mean that noone deserves help, many many people DO deserve help. Im not saying all public aid should be abolished. I am saying that just because your hand is out it does not mean I have to put something in it. Sure I would love free money. I would love to pump out kids all day and sponge of America's checkbook. The reason I don't is simple. I don't ****ing need it. I don't need YOU, America, to pay my way. If I want to have life easy, I can earn it, until then, I will keep my 9-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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