Yes, this is a complete grip!

[Akoz]

If your 50 and there are other 50's you can PK, why do people insist on attacking people 7 levels below them? On top of that taking their things? I realise I have to deal with it, but don't you guys know some of you are turning this into a game only the ELITES will play? Making it extremly difficult for anyone not elite to have fun, I hope you will enjoy yourself when everyone else is gone. Don't belive me? Then ask me why people make the comments "Man the player base has gotten better" No it hasn't, the not elite players got ran off so your facing fewer enemies you can steamroll.

It just makes me sad to come in and spend so much time working on the RP and back ground and story of my charactor, and see how some people act in game. I can't belive some things even pass of as RP. I supose it I want to RP and not get steamrolled bu every tom d*** and silent pker then I need to roll an elf healer noble or bard herald.

and... before anyone says play a moderate, I dont want to play a moderate. I like having fredom it what I wear. Most things are RARE even the "decent" gear. It would only be worse if I was moderate.

[jibber]

I hate to break it to you, but if you don't want to play a moderate, then you will always be playing with the 'big dogs' so to say. If you get PK'd below level 50, then you should probably start ranking to 50 instead of complaining about it.

Now, I've been where you are, and I've done what you've done, and I've complained the same way you've complained, but the fact of the matter is, complaining about getting killed by a level 50 while you're below level 50 isn't much of a complaint.

I have an idea who you play, now just by this post. All I can say is: it could have been avoided. Secondly, as you know, this isn't just an RP mud. It's a PK mud FIRST, enforced with RP. Whoever killed you, or whoever steamrolled you had a reason to, whether you want to believe it to be RP or not isn't the point.

Thirdly: If you don't want to play a moderate, then you have no argument playing a ruthless character and getting killed at level 43, or what have you. I really hate saying suck it up, or anything of the sort, so I won't say it: however, I will say that you can do a lot to improve your game play, and if you stop complaining about simple interactions that you've had that ended in a PK, and actually tried to RP some of them out, you'd have a lot more fun with this game.. moderate, or ruthless.

[Anume]

Pk range is there for a reason. It is not illegal to pk non 50s as a rank 50 char. It used to be a lot harder to get to 50 in early fl than now as everyone was out there hunting you.

Nowadays most 50s just kill lower ranked people if they are at war (=perfectly legit, if you don't want to play cabal wf, don't join a cabal pre 50), have a bounty and the 50 is a syndicate or they had some negative interaction with them.

I really don't think the pre 50s have much reason to complain.

SO: If you are not 50 yet, carry a ton of recalls and flee early. No reason to hold still when they try to kill you. Type where pk a lot.

What we will look into is caballed 50s who avoid pk with other 50s just to kill non 50s repeatedly / exclusively.

[Akoz]

Really? Get to 50? Everytime I have tried to gear so I can level Ive been killed, by a 50. With other 50's logged on that should easily be within their RP to kill, if they had any. I know for a fact the person who killed me last has no RP, because he opens his mouth OOC to other people that gets around.

I have RPed most of my deaths out. You know what I get? Mmm I hate you.

or ...... or how about.. Hmm? or Nothing at all.

There are people that do a good job at RP killing, Gracci, I feet ok when they killed me on Kadego, why? Because there was interaction. Period.

(Oppinion)Silent PK is not RP its trashy excuse for people that do not know how ro RP or want a cheap way out of it.

Your right I do have to "deal with it" or leave. So do other players of my caliber. The sad part is most chosse to leave.

Doesn't that bother you?

It does me.

I understand cabal warfare, and that would be diffrent. Sadly, the people @ war with me, they ROLEPLAY, and one killed me yes, he wasnt 50 either and I RPed with them too.

[Anume]

Get a cabal or merchant outfit. No reason to spend a lot of time eqing if you are likely going to loose it anyhow. As I said befoe, carry a bunch of recalls and get out if you see them coming.

[Akoz]

Pk range is there for a reason. It is not illegal to pk non 50s as a rank 50 char. It used to be a lot harder to get to 50 in early fl than now as everyone was out there hunting you.

Nowadays most 50s just kill lower ranked people if they are at war (=perfectly legit, if you don't want to play cabal wf, don't join a cabal pre 50), have a bounty and the 50 is a syndicate or they had some negative interaction with them.

I really don't think the pre 50s have much reason to complain.

SO: If you are not 50 yet, carry a ton of recalls and flee early. No reason to hold still when they try to kill you. Type where pk a lot.

What we will look into is caballed 50s who avoid pk with other 50s just to kill non 50s repeatedly / exclusively.

You are right, it is diffrent, there were more people then. Whats also diffrent? The people that couldnt "hang with the big boys" (I know, not your quote) Left.

Anume you prolly know me the best here, you have been my cabal leader many times. I try not to be one who complains. I took it in face everytime I turned around on both Valione AND Yewahntull. I got killed many times a day by NORTAK and MARTY. Those guys also roleplayed their parts, well to be honest. I didnt complain, infact I gave marty props all around.

The funny thing is, the TOP DOGS chase Despiser away because they complained about his "power".

They will be the fisrt to tell me to "harden up princess"

[jibber]

Actually, it definitely wasn't the 'top dogs' who chased despiser away. If I remember correctly, it was (yes, some of your complaints) complaints by many of the people against him in Watcher and Nexus that pushed him away.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Wait...aren't you the same guy who agrees with Republicans? Republican philosophy dictates that you realize it's your own fault and you need to help yourself up. You have multiple options to do so with multiple reasons as given by Jibber and Anume.

[jibber]

And leave it to Pali or Valek to incorporate whatever political nonsense they see fit into any thread they deem necessary.

[Akoz]

Really? My complaints? That I WOULD like to see.

by the way, and quote straight from despiser.

"It's quite sad, considering almost all of the vitriol is

and has come from those considered 'vets' here on the forum,

and all of them, invariably, after they got their asses

beat in one way or another, in some shape or forum."

[jibber]

Well, being I played Pominsu, I guess I misconstrued your angry RP with some sort of OOC hatred of Martin. After going over some shoutouts though, it appears I was mistaken, and it appears that there were 5 or 6 so called vets who were flaming him hard core for one or more reasons (one being that he asked 2 militia to help even out a 3v1).

My bad.

[Akoz]

Well, being I played Pominsu, I guess I misconstrued your angry RP with some sort of OOC hatred of Martin. After going over some shoutouts though, it appears I was mistaken, and it appears that there were 5 or 6 so called vets who were flaming him hard core for one or more reasons (one being that he asked 2 militia to help even out a 3v1).

My bad.

Yeah Yew was angry, they were a feral ranger in a world over taken by the law. Not to say my OOC frusrastion didnt fuel it at times. =p I think marty was great and tried to say so. Did I think Vamp/Trib sucked? Yes, the char? No, he was awsome to yew. ABout as good as you could be to someone not in your cabal, prolly to good.

I really didnt want this to come across this way, I have played on and off here for a long time, and it feels like a home. I just think these things need to change before theres not much left, but obviously most people have a diffrent perspective on it. guess that is fine.

[Akoz]

Wait...aren't you the same guy who agrees with Republicans? Republican philosophy dictates that you realize it's your own fault and you need to help yourself up. You have multiple options to do so with multiple reasons as given by Jibber and Anume.

I said I agree with republicans on some things, democrats on others and neither on some things.

Just clearing that up.

[Izzy]

If you are who I think you are, I clearly asked you to group to help you get to fifty. You told me you couldnt because something was more important.......There is nothing more important then getting to 50! Especially when you busted your nut and caballed before you got there. You are given 6 days to scribe your scroll. Thats 6 days to pinnacle before you join.

[Akoz]

Me logging off to go to work was more important.... Way more important then getting to 50.

I scribed because my RP dictates it. Yes I reap what I sow. Obviously learned my lesson.

EDIT: Took out the sarcasm, none productive.

Delete thread. My views are mine alone. (if possible)

[f0xx]

Dude, I have no idea who you play, but from the thing posted here, I would guess you are one of the pre-pinn a caballed people. Why whine eh? You could have EASILY avoided it.

[Pali]

And leave it to Pali or Valek to incorporate whatever political nonsense they see fit into any thread they deem necessary.

Hypocrisy's fun to point out.

[jibber]

I throw my political nonsense into threads that start with political nonsense. Hypocrisy? As if, brother.

[Pali]

I throw my political nonsense into threads that start with political nonsense. Hypocrisy? As if' date=' brother. [/quote']

:confused: I wasn't calling you a hypocrite... I was saying that the instances you're thinking of were based more around the concept of pointing out hypocrisy/inconsistency than any sort of actual political argument (edit: this one included, actually).

[jibber]

Oh.

Right.

Carry on?

[-Totenkopf-]

I sit the fence here. If your pre 50 and CABALED you can more or less expect to get attacked, there are wars going on. Now if you were looted needlessly (ie, they had no need for your crap just just took it all or saced it all for no good reason) then I think some players around here have got to stop being arses. This is a game and there should be some enjoyment found playing it for ALL involved. If this isnt the case, I see why people don't play. Full looting or full sacing someone when you STEAM ROLL THEM is not in the least part fun for them.

This has happened to me but I won't name names, you know who you are.

[Akoz]

One of my points.

I understand the Cabal thing, but the people who have killed me havnt been at war with my cabal. Dunno.

[Enethier]

I used to agree full heartedly, but as I've played more, I feel I've matured in my opinions. That's not to say yours are immature, mind you, just that my way of thinking has changed over time.

Being killed because you're an enemy in PK range sucks. Especially when full looted. But as others have pointed out, it is totally avoidable. Between recall/ where pk timers, not hitting 43 until you're ready to get to 50 with one hunting trip, and navigating to lesser known and lesser checked areas, you shouldn't encounter this problem. Yes, the difference in power is quite staggering, but a careful and prepared character will find that it is relatively easy to escape pk. Flee/recall gives you a timer/command advantage. Only a few seconds, but those can be crucial. If you're fast enough, you can leave a city before they can put a command in from recall lag.

Another trick, if they are just as fast or a little bit faster, is to run back and forth between 2 points, with a hidden entrance somewhere in between (i.e. Maelbrim and Miruvhor). Build a flee pattern, then change it up, ducking into the hidden area. Using the example above, run back and forth a few times, then on your way towards Miruvhor running, duck into the citadel of kaer banor, and clsoe it behind you. If you were quick enough (and use aliases), you can trick them into thinking you recalled. Buying you time. If you notice them open the way, you can recall, giving you a few more precious seconds to get away.

All in all, there are a lot of tricks you can use to avoid combat. However, the one where you're not in PK range is probably the best.

You have to come to grips with the fact that a character's reasoning for killing you does NOT have to involve conversation with you. Remember that it's not just your character: it's their's too. If there's a drow, and you're an elf, expect to be targetted on principle. If you're a demon and there's an avatar/sader/knight/watcher, expect to be targetted. Interaction is not a requirement, it's a service. Jumping to conclusions that there is no RP behind a PK is not productive, and not a good way to have your opinions heard. If you feel that RP was broken and you were killed for OOC purposes, use the prayer forum. It is always better to start there. Often times, the staff will give insight that you don't have in these types of situations. And if they can't, you can bet on them at least investigating.

Also, while full looting sucks to recover from, it is perfectly within the bounds of reason, even without a personal grudge. Imagine you live in a world where killing an enemy once does not guarantee that they will not return to the realm of the living. Are you going to leave their things to hasten their vengeance on you for slaying them? F*ck no. You'd take every precaution you could to ensure that their blade would never meet your flesh again. If you're going to preach on RP, at least think of that. It is a game for mutual enjoyment, yes, but you can't complain about one type of (alledged) breach in RP, just to advocate another.

[Warmongrel]

full looting

I believe I was standing there to witness the instance you are talking about, considering you said something similar to me in game. I think he only half looted, but yea most of your eq was junk, but so was his. He prob typed get all corpse without looking, sine you were right between val and rheydin. Know this though, war or not, as a tribunal you will get trash talked, spit on, attacked for no reason. Even my leaders and elders in justce and tribunal who were nice to everyne who didn't have a wanted flag, even if I JUST captured you for attacking ME would spend hours getting called scum and just plain trash talked to by chars I never encountered before. So that is NOT the cabal to be in and linger around 43. That being said, I tend to only loot my enemies that are extremely strong, or continue to assault if I don't put a damper on their armor, but I have always been full looted. I do however think its the newer/less experienced players that make a habit out of killing and looting lower lvls. Any vet with skills will tell you there is no satisfaction in killing someone quickly and taking a bunch of eq they can't use bc its trash compared to theirs. There is no sport in that. But the ppl that can't kill the tougher enemies get over excited in any pk and have get all corpse set as a macro. I know I did when I first started mudding at abandoned realms.

[Brehan]

Take it from me War some of the Elites and vets still full loot garbage for some reason and while I watch all I can say to myself is why. I can understand if it was a two hour challenging battle but they mostly go like this. At first attack bam flee run run hit run run die full loot. No challenge in it jus the sheer joy of making someones life miserable which pisses me off royally however with no rules against it I sit idle. And most of the time I am watching mithril alignment only crap that zaps and is sacced. Makes me sick to me stomach.