Hepheus Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Avatars Can be Elder in Knights now, how cool is that? Good change imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_body Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Blueberry Cheese Whistles, that's crazy! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Are you ****ing kidding me? A month after I toss Exercurael for that reason plus a few others, how lame, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesta6384 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Rerolling avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Seeing all these posts -> now is the perfect moment to roll a nexus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 This helps but I kinda think Avatars need something else to create more incentive for people to play them and keep with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I don't understand how that's possible. The idea itself is insanely entrenched with potential RP. The mechanical aspect gives you STUPID advantage over the competition and the prestige for such a position is so insane that you cannot become a leader of your cabal! What's not to stick with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 All the talk in the world means nothing when you consider the numbers. Avatars are few and far between. Count the number of good qstuff compared to evil over the years. Then factor in how long they last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I stand by what I said though. I don't get why they are few, taking what you said into consideration. Avatars are insanely beefy. Crusaders are [potentially] insanely beefy. I think it's cause you can't necessarily wreck a pbase with either, because you can just roll a kind neutral or a goodie and have no issue with said qraces. Evil qstuff can kick your *** regardless of your disposition towards them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Avatars are ridiculously strong. I didn't REALLY believe it until I played one. Its incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 They cant be that strong... Not that i ever fought one, but still... Strangely i was hoping to roll a avatar wannabe due to the recent evil numbers, but if everyone is jumping on the good bandwagon, perhaps i will maintain my current project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 It's not that avatar overall isn't strong -- it's that, in my opinion, it's significantly stronger for some classes over others. There are some classes where being an avatar almost completely lacks utility and some where it is the ultimate addition, even beyond most subcabal powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesta6384 Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I quit playin leodinak cause i knew id never get elder. Id much rather have a praet elder warrior over a trusted avatar. Now that i can have both that combo can be insanely strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaede Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I would be very interested to hear the reasoning behind this, considering the discussions about this with Salith and the reasoning then (quite inflexible)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted May 29, 2012 Implementor Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Shift in Knight cabal skills, moving former E skill to L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaede Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 It's all water under the bridge now, but the reasoning at the time was strictly rp related, the statement being that avatar rp and knight rp could conflict and thus no avatar could go above t. I always thought it was actually power and skills related (considering saliths dominance at the time) being justified as rp, so I guess now we know . Unfortunate as that was the reason I dropped him and haven't been back in any significant fashion since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Salith was the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted May 29, 2012 Implementor Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Avatar Knight Elder could very well face very difficult rp choices. In the end, avatar duties become before cabal. That is why avatars in tribunal / justice usually never worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephirus Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Avatar Knight Elder could very well face very difficult rp choices. In the end' date=' avatar duties become before cabal. That is why avatars in tribunal / justice usually never worked out.[/quote'] Ain't that the truth, even crusaders have trouble with this one sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaede Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 It's clear there has been a change in the point of view of the staff; from the old ("the potential RP conflict prevents Avatars becoming elders") to the new ("Avatars can become elders in spite of this potential conflict"). Change is good! My only point was that, per the quote below, when this came up before it was stated as more of an RP issue, NOT a balance issue (mentioned broadly, but never addressed Salith), but the justifications for the change seems to be balance today. Either way, like I said, water under the bridge. Zhokril - "Avatars have to follow their duty to their god at all times, no questions asked. A cabal elder has to be a representation of their cabal and act in its interests. There is a massive conflict of interest there." Haesierph - " Whilst the both Avatars and Knights are good-aligned and have the same patron god, that shouldn't suggest that the overall goals of an Avatar and a Knight sit together. With that in mind, it would be bad roleplay from Haesierph's point of view, to appoint somebody as Knight Elder who he felt wasn't suitable for that role." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 *Chuckle* Such are the things in our lands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 All the snide to he "side" comments about the staff here are REALLY beginning to irritate me, If you don't like it here, get to packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepheus Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 If you don't have anything nice to say, say something funny. That's what momma always taught me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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