Ghrundor Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Go to http://www.pro-fuelsaver.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 It's a gimmick, man. Save your money and just keep your car properly maintained and tuned. You'll get increased MPG just from keeping your tires inflated, performing scheduled maintenance, removing unneeded cargo, and ditching the lead foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghrundor Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Rofl, the guy who patented this stuff was in a 5 year legal battle for it being a "gimmick" and he won the case and was also reimbursed every penny he had to spend. So there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 It's a tough argument about it being a 'gimmick'. Some new trucks REQUIRE that you buy fuel enhancing fluid of some sort in North America, probably because our fuel is crap. Having said that, if you are spamming our forum for sales!!!! I ANGRY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 These secret patented gizmos have popped up for decades, like the vapor injector linked in the OP. They have been shown time and time again to be nothing more than snake oil cures. If there was any merit to the technology, you would see it in use by auto manufacturers and aftermarket companies, or you would read of at least one reputable site/magazine/blog supporting the gadget. We don't because the technology just doesn't work. The entire site reads like an informercial. As far as "fuel enhancing fluids" being required in new trucks, unless you are talking about ethanol fuel mixtures which are available at nearly any gas station pump nowadays, you are going to have to clarify before I can comment, because as far as I know, nothing like that exists. edit: here is a more recent article from Popular Mechanics discussing MPG gadgets: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/gas-saving-gadgets-hall-of-shame I'm not trying to come across as attacking you, but I hate seeing people waste money on these gimmicks. Save your money. There are tried and true methods of increasing your MPG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Agree with inscribed. Think of this stuff like 'penis enlargement pills'; if it actually worked, every guy in the world would know about it and would be using it, without need for advertising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Raargant, my condolences on your failed experiment with penis enlargement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 You should, however, look into HHO generators, and conversions. You can convert your car to run off liquid hydrogen, and use the electrical output of the car to make the liquid hydrogen. Car that runs off water, and its exhaust is oxygen. Victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 You should' date=' however, look into HHO generators, and conversions. You can convert your car to run off liquid hydrogen, and use the electrical output of the car to make the liquid hydrogen. Car that runs off water, and its exhaust is oxygen. Victory.[/quote'] Not sure if funny or serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 so look it up? Im serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 The theory behind HHO generators are the same as the idea of perpetual motion machines... free energy from nothing. Hydrogen generators were the very first item mentioned on the list of MPG scams in the first link I posted, which is why I thought you were making a joke. http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4310717 As with the vapor injector in the OP, if we had a reasonable way to power vehicles while producing oxygen as the only exhaust gas, you would see it in widespread production. It's just another gimmick technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Do you not understand the efforts of Oil lobbyists? I was able to make a lawnmower run off Hydrogen generated from a home made cell. It is not a gimmick. Honda already makes a car that is powered by hydrogen, the difference is it is not a gas pump style delivery system. It is insanely high pressure so the delivery method is how they are able to charge the same price as gas for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 If only we'd stuck with electric cars in the first place, instead of switching to gas-powered ones just because they were a bit cheaper and faster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Do you not understand the efforts of Oil lobbyists? I was able to make a lawnmower run off Hydrogen generated from a home made cell. It is not a gimmick. Honda already makes a car that is powered by hydrogen, the difference is it is not a gas pump style delivery system. It is insanely high pressure so the delivery method is how they are able to charge the same price as gas for it. I'll ignore the oil lobbyist comment in an effort to keep this from going political. The original comment was about an HHO generator added to a standard internal combustion engine, i.e. getting increased MPG from adding water. That is a gimmick, as I pointed out in my previous post. Sure, you made a lawnmower run off hydrogen... but why? It takes more energy to create the hydrogen than you get from using the hydrogen as fuel (physics!). If you had taken the electricity you used to generate the hydrogen, and used that to run your lawnmower, you would of had a more efficient system. Its a fun proof-of-concept trick but very impractical especially when referring to replacing gasoline in automobiles nationwide. Pali: Gas powered engines took off because they were practical, efficient, and cheap when compared to electric engines. They still are. There is no great conspiracy by the oil companies to keep us addicted to gasoline. Oil companies spend more money than anyone researching alternatives... because, guess what? Oil companies, just like any business, like staying successful. If an economically practical alternative to gasoline is going to be developed, those evil oil companies want to be the first ones on board with it so they can continue to make money. Hydrogen isn't it though. Alright, so I didn't quite ignore the oil lobbyist comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The gas engine is one of the least efficient machines ever mass produced by mankind. Roughly 80% of the energy it produces escapes as heat, with remaining 20% pushing your car forward. That aside, I agree with you inscribed on the matter of these bolt-on gimmicks. Scams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The gas engine is one of the least efficient machines ever mass produced by mankind. Roughly 80% of the energy it produces escapes as heat' date=' with remaining 20% pushing your car forward.[/quote'] Indeed. An engineering failure. One day our kids will read the history and wonder why did we allow something so inefficient become so widespread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Actually it does not take more energy to create the electricity, you use the existing magneto starter, run it through a home made tesla coil, then put that through an inverter then you run it through the cell. You dont need amps, you need volts, so a tesla coil works fantastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Pali: Gas powered engines took off because they were practical, efficient, and cheap when compared to electric engines. They still are. This alone indicates that you have no real clue what you are talking about. The statement is just so completly the opposite of well known fact I thougt it was a joke. Gas engines are horribly inefficient, and pollute like crazy. There is no great conspiracy by the oil companies to keep us addicted to gasoline. Yeah, and banks dont modify interest rates to rip us off either right? Tobacoo companies didnt think of ways to advertise their product to children, knowing it was additicve, right? My friend, executives and directors for these oil companies hold strategy conferences to decide how best to slander alternative energy solutions. They pay lobbyists to spread the idea that "windmills are ugly". Oh and these regulations that require auto makers to make more efficent engines, better mpg, yeah the oil companies fought that tooth and nail, gutting the legislation down to something that is a fraction of its origional scope. They support research only as long as they can monopolize the product, patent the formula, and lock down the profits. Seems they are used to being the only player in the energy field. Wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Uh, Kyz? I didn't say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I didnt say you did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Indeed. An engineering failure. One day our kids will read the history and wonder why did we allow something so inefficient become so widespread... That's just a silly statement. The internal combustion engine will forever be known as one of our greatest engineering feats and is essentially the basis for modern civilization. Actually it does not take more energy to create the electricity' date=' you use the existing magneto starter, run it through a home made tesla coil, then put that through an inverter then you run it through the cell. You dont need amps, you need volts, so a tesla coil works fantastically.[/quote'] I have no idea how to respond to this. It reads like a Mad Lib. This alone indicates that you have no real clue what you are talking about. The statement is just so completly the opposite of well known fact I thougt it was a joke. Gas engines are horribly inefficient' date=' and pollute like crazy. [/quote'] Kyzarius... being arrogant only works when you are right. Comparing a gas engine's ~20% efficency at converting gasoline into motion to an electric motor converting ~80% of the stored charge of a battery into motion is fallacious. It's like when Sony first introduced the PS2 slim back in the day, touting its smaller size, only to realize they achieved that size but adding a giant brick power supply. If you want to accurately compare the two engines, you need to look at the full process required to power them. Electricity doesn't just magically flow from a socket out of thin air. It's generated, most likely, at a fossil fuel plant. This analysis from a department chair at the physics department of UCSD estimates the true MPG rating of a Nissan Leaf to be around 28. My twenty year old wagon that I bought for $1200 gets 32 MPG. Even when comparing CO2 waste, the gasoline car wins. That's not even getting into the cost of disposal and replacement of the batteries used in electric cars. On top of all of this, we have to realize we are only talking about passenger vehicles. If we really want to get crazy, we could discuss the trucking industry and all of the inadequacies, inefficiencies, and expense that all-electric motors would bring to the table. If you think milk is getting expensive now, just wait for some dumb politician to mention the idea of mandating the trucking industry convert to electricity, all in exchange for a few poll points. I had a response written out for the rest of your post, but decided to delete it in favor of keeping this thread somewhat on track. It's the same paranoid garbage I've responded to in previous threads. Feel free to begin a new thread, though, if you'd like to discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 I heard some where if you use a flux capacitor......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 There are countless functional hydrogen engines that aee vastly more efficient than gas engines. Honda made one and they sell it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 I didnt say you did... Heh, whoops, forgot that was how inscribed wrote it. The internal combustion engine will forever be known as one of our greatest engineering feats and is essentially the basis for modern civilization. I agree with the latter half of the sentence - modern civilization is very much built around the internal combustion engine. As for the former... well, let's see how the Earth looks in a couple hundred years, and then we can figure out how appreciative of past fossil fuel-powered societies the people who are stuck living there are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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