A Last Farewell, From Despiser and Martineius

[Icor]

Argh, that reminds me of that goof-ball, Jester.

[Iyorvin]

I'll fight you always creator of Brambus' workshop!

[Ex-D&Der]

1. I'd be very surprised if Despiser did not play additional characters.

2. Most of his characters seem to have lasted about this long.

3. Martineius was a good character, maybe Despiser's best so far, specifically because after mastering PK Despiser chose not to maximize PK, but to discipline PK to RP. But I felt his RP was chosen for PK reasons--to neutralize healers specifically. I didn't like what was going on between him and healers. It was far from punishable, but not exemplary RP IMO.

4. Despiser is a very good PKer, but his characters often seem to divide the playerbase. I think this is because he has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove himself vis-a-vis 1.0 "elites" and "vets." If he were to step back and take a look around, he would see that he is an elite, and content himself with participating as one among many to enhance the RP experience of all.

5. I would point out that not all vets or elites complained about Martinieus. It's really been a very vocal kernel of players, some of them vets, many of them 2.0 or 3.0 vintage players, who have been complaining.

6. There's nothing wrong with rolling a character designed to take out another character.

[Zrothum]

Well said. Very well said.

[Rairen]

*deep breath*

On number 4: If he felt he had something to prove, then he would have gone on a mass killing spree. His RP was inclusive. If you look back on the props page, there wasn't a week where he wasn't being thanked by lowbies, criminals, and associates for the depth of his playing.

This also ties into number 3. It takes two people to neutralize someone's RP - the one trying to do it, and the one who falls for it.

Besides, I remember Despy on Cariousus, two years ago. If healers couldn't get to him then, they weren't going to get to him as Martineius.

[Zrothum]

Opinions vary.

[Rairen]

Opinions vary.

A clever way of saying that you're angry and annoyed, but you can't actually argue my points when I'm right so it's better to stay angry and annoyed than admit to having made a mistake.

*rolls eyes* Grow up. For the love of "the Rift". You're better than this.

[Raargant]

Keep it cool, guys.

[Sirax]

If he did have a chip on his shoulder im sure it fell off when he was playing Cariosius (sp) he was making life pretty crappy for a lot of people just cause they could not touch him. Martineius was a blessing for low level characters and characters at peak. He offered great rp and opened up a whole load of doors. IMHO people couldnt get round the fact that he was a powermonger a dictator like character, his rule was with the iron fist, instead of rp'ing it people started moaning that he was overpowered/taking advantage of a class and race combo that should not be allowed etc.

I know a lot of people got annoyed at being made outlaw, ok it happened to me I found it very annoying but not so that it me wanna quit that character or jump on the hes too overpowered bandwagon. Its been said countless times always expect to be full looted anything else is a bonus, so in that case is outlaw any different. I personally would have liked to have seen it all pan out.

[crackwilly21]

I saw him as a player that new the game, and how things should be done. And I respected him for that. I NEVER had a negative interaction with ANY of his chars since 1.0. He's always been a high class player, and I was honored to be able to participate in a game with someone of his caliber. Nuff said.

[Gomanhor]

I really do appreciate the warm welcome I have received, but out of respect for Despiser I ask that anyone who wants to write a "Yay Gomanhor" post to do so in a different and more appropriate thread.

[Zrothum]

A clever way of saying that you're angry and annoyed, but you can't actually argue my points when I'm right so it's better to stay angry and annoyed than admit to having made a mistake.

*rolls eyes* Grow up. For the love of "the Rift". You're better than this.

That's not what I meant at all. And I am hardly angry or annoyed, I am very much over what happened and I would rather not get into it again. I simply agreed with what Ex-DnDer said.

To argue your points....

Rairen says "If he felt he had something to prove, then he would have gone on a mass killing spree."

Argument: Not everything someone wants to prove here has to involve PK. You being one of our best RPers, I'm sure you can understand.

Rairen says "This also ties into number 3. It takes two people to neutralize someone's RP - the one trying to do it, and the one who falls for it."

Argument: You are speaking about Healers and Marty's RP neutralizing their "hate" for the vampire. This is arguable on both sides, honestly, and it's something I didn't care much about. I didn't like the fact that 95% of the goods didnt go after him and all that jazz, but I held that more on the scared players not fighting him, rather than marty being scared of them.

Rairen says "Besides, I remember Despy on Cariousus, two years ago. If healers couldn't get to him then, they weren't going to get to him as Martineius."

Argument: A mute and invalid point. Who knows who was playing the healers two years ago. A person on Despiser's level of PK would have done quite well to fight Martineius. Esecially a a decent played sigil healer.

All in all, I have mad respect for Despiser as a player. I always have. But, like everyone else, he has his faults. Was it right for me/us/whoever to call him out on it in the way we did? No, not at all. Am I asking forgiveness? No, not at all. I am a rather hot-headed, do it first, think about it later type person.

Now, for the sake of validating my "OPinions vary" comment not being some immature remark, let me tell you why I agreed with Ex-DnDer

Following his numerals:

1. Despiser has said more than once, both on messengers and here that he will be leaving. Rumor in the whole OOC world is that he is an Immortal here. Just like many people who say they are leaving, they take a break and return, sometimes under the radar, as Despiser and many of us like to do.

2. Despiser plays very good characters and they always seem to last awhile.

3. You wouldn't believe the mad respect I had for Martineius when I realized it was Despiser and that he wasnt just out killing everyone like I know he could have. What made me upset was when he abused a "breach of character" as I will call it now, instead of a bug. Not only did he do it once, or twice, but a third person said he did it (im not sure many people read that post), after despiser claimed to only do it twice.

4. Despiser is the very best PKer here. I'd vote myself in the top10 or so, but Despiser had something special I'm not sure any of us here can achieve. Yes, Festy, Behrens, me, blah blah blah, all the others, we could fight Despiser and not just get two rounded like alot of people. Hell, we may even beat Despiser once in a great while here and there...but, ask any of us who just repeatedly makes us PK humble? Despiser. Always. But, just like all of us, ego comes to play. Whether or not any of us will admit it, I will. I love competition. I love PKing you and then laughing in my chair, knowing how pissed off you are. I love to talk **** on AIM and do the whole male ego thing. Some people take it too far, some people let it fester, etc. etc. etc.

5. What happened: I became aware of what had happened with the bounty/kill/loot episode of a certain character, something that had happened before. I never once before that day ever said anything negative about Martineius, yet I am branded a leader of some anti-marty movement. I said nothing but the truth in my statements and still stand by them. There were two other people that I know posted aside me and I believe we all are from 1.0. As for anyone else who complain/complains/complained, I do not know who they are nor their status as a "Vet/elite"

6. I just simply agree.

Rairen, I hopes that clears up any confusion you may have had about my posts. I am not angry or upset with you, Despiser, the Immortals, anyone. I have my feelings and opinions just like anyone else. I perhaps voice mine when I shouldn't or in ways that I shouldn't...but, I'm human. You are entitled to your own feelings and opinions, and I respect them just as I respect anyone's. I'm a argumentative type person who will debate the color of grass any day of the week. Sometimes I'm taken as a straight up A_hole (Although WC still holds that crown... <3 j00 wc) or angry/upset/spiteful/etc. etc. etc. but I promise you I'm not lol...I'm just very outspoken...

In conclusion....I think I'm digging myself a hole here, so I'll wrap it up.

EYE <3 J00 F0RS4/<3/\/ L4/\/DS

[Zavero]

I disagree you are in the top 10 Zrothum, but this isn't about you, is it? But I also disagree with you saying Despiser is the best. I don't care what any of you say about Despiser. It clearly shows who likes him and who doesn't, validating any opinions isn't really necessary. This is all my personal opinion, as always. I think he was a good role player, and a good player killer. I role played with him through a few differant characters. He was very in dept and thought out, which is what I think good role play is.

At some points I hated Martineius, and at others, I enjoyed to talk to him. I hated him when I felt cheated because he always whooped my ***. I had a character that he ripped off once, but there was a reason for it, and I won't go into it, it doesn't tarnish what I think of the character. I always enjoyed talking to him, because even if I was his worst enemy, he would always talk, and offer alternatives.

I won't pretend to know Despiser, because I don't. I don't care what his life issues are, or who he does/doesn't like, or who does/does not like him. All I know is Martineius was a good character. And for that I give him props. I wish he would play again, because he plays well, and didn't whine while everyone was going about trying to sabatage him.

(EDITED) Sorry, tried to edit before anyone saw what I wrote, it was only a few seconds, but that's all they need, heh. I try not to get personal, but it's a challenge I often cannot overcome. Marine Corps nature I suppose.

[Raargant]

Last warning, guys. Do NOT make me lock this thread. Thank you for self-editing.

[Zrothum]

As I said, I respect your opinion too. Me putting myself in the top10 was just BSing. The point, being my opinion of course, is that Despiser is the best PKer here. No, it's not me sucking up. It's just my opinion. I have not seen anyone here that will consistantly take down Despisers characters.

And I will give you this: I used to be nothing but trouble. My in game attitude has changed, but as far as the forum, or life for that matter, is concerned....I'm not very good at holding my tongue. I respect everyone's opinions and love to hear them, but in turn, I seem to always voice my opinion, be it liked or not, wanted or not. I am not the player I was, almost 4 years ago, with Dharg or my other chars.

Anyhow, like you said, this isn't about me. Just...well, I guess i just wanted to argue, heh.

Me being in the top10? No, I am not the 9th best Pker. But, I would only admit to about 9 or 10 people being completely better than me. I am on par with the majority of the players here, but there are people like Festy, Despiser, Behrens, etc. that rule me in and out and sideways. But, there are people like BoyKidWonder, who I'm right alongside.

and just for good measure....I never have and never will deny what happened with me in the past. All I've been trying to do lately is, in game, live down the view on my character (personal, not IG)...obviously I've failed to convince at least one but i still <3 you all lol

edit: in respect to the true heart of this thread, I'd like to try and make this my last "off topic" post...if anyone wants to argue with me or call me a dirty lying coward cheater...please feel free to PM me, as I always love conversation.

[Ex-D&Der]

I haven't been around for about two months, so if there was a group of 1.0 vets complaining, I'm not aware of it. I was referring to the complaints that were going on at the time I left, which actually seemed not to come from 1.0 people for the most part.

As to the time played on Martineius, it just seems to me Despiser isn't the kind of guy who plays one character for 2 years, and that Martineius had reached about the usual life span (maybe a little longer) for one of his characters. That as much as anything may account for his deletion. Which is why I suspect Despiser will be back (that and the fact that no one really leaves).

And generally speaking I don't like this "best player ever" cult. It seems to run against the point of FL. There's no winner. Despiser is an excellent player--there's no disputing that. I think that should be enough.

[Zrothum]

Just to clarify, I never meant to say he, or anyone here, was "best player ever" I just simply think no one had the PK mojo that Despiser did.

[Ex-D&Der]

Not directed at you.

[zetakappa]

Damn, FL lost one of its greats.

I started playing near the start of 2.0, and Despiser has always been among the leaders in PK and RP. He's played everything, and played them well. Unfortunately I've been away from the game lately and didn't get to interact with Martineius, it sounds like I missed out.

Though I sometimes disagreed with the motivations of some of his characters, I'll leave the ranting to others. Keep cool out there, D. And if you ever somehow find yourself stranded beyond the Rift, in a dimension known as south Texas, I'll buy you a beer.

[crackwilly21]

And if you ever somehow find yourself stranded beyond the Rift' date=' in a dimension known as south Texas, I'll buy you a beer.[/quote']

Where at in south texas??? I live in austin/san marcos...so its not too much of a stretch...eheheh. I'm not spiser though, but still interested.

[Zrothum]

I might be moving to Corpus Christi...wheres that?

[crackwilly21]

South texas, on the beach. It's a kickass little town, but I don't want to derail this thread any further.

[Zrothum]

Tight work. See you on the water with the women bro....if I get the job, that is.

[Icor]

I found... this log while browsing around in my Ceqia folder:

[Militia](Inductee) Telden: 'When the hungry starve, do you weep? When the sick agonize, do you empathize? When the morals are denounced, do you rebuke?'

[Militia](Elder) Martineius: 'No. When the hungry starve, I do not weep. I feed.'

[Militia](Elder) Martineius: 'When the sick agonize, I do not empathize. I cure.'

[Militia](Elder) Martineius: 'And when morals are denounced, I do not rebuke. I reform.'

...Good God.

[Acerbity]

Might Pominsu add those were all replied to seconds after Teldon typed all that? Quick as hell, and ****ing genius.