KRins Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Character is done. Made me intensely unhappy. I even got to a point where I felt very victimized, despite no one having done anything shady. I definitely think my ninjitsu needs an intense buff considering how much more difficult it is to work with than the standard double sheath or falcon eye. My only feedback for the IMMs is that I REALLY think think that some kind of system to promote a fair balance of evils vs goods needs to be found. I spent literally days waiting for a party at 46 and interacted with exactly two goods the entire time. I know someone is going to say, do guild quests, but solo PvE or the occasionally completely ridiculous quest is nowhere near entertaining enough to make it worth it. That or some method to also benefit pinns who help people out with those last levels. I was flatly ignored by literally every neutral I approached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 What ninjitsu were you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 lotus scourge. It is nowhere near as effective as I was led to believe. I watched it get herbed off first try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali_gmud Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I have only one character who is a goodie, and I thoroughly enjoyed Yiznip's RP. You disappeared for a while then came back recently I noticed. Unless you were just incredibly good at being sneaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmm Coffee Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Biggest, and potentially only, problem with Lotus Scourge is it not stacking with low-level poisons. But with the new moves changes, it has even more nasty potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 What new moves change lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Biggest' date=' and potentially only, problem with Lotus Scourge is it not stacking with low-level poisons. But with the new moves changes, it has even more nasty potential.[/quote'] That's not an entirely true statement. Certain poisoning techniques will overwrite the standard herbal brew, but not all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmm Coffee Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Let me rephrase, it might not be new, or it may have always been this way, but it seems like certain areas have increased the amount of move-reduction per step...at least while unmounted. It could just be that I took such a hiatus between my last active char and current one. I just seem to notice getting low on moves much more than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Different terrains have always taken different move points. Try walking around on red terrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Lotus scourge is a worthless ninjutsu... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Does it drop more STR than normal Poison dust? because Ninjas can drop a lot of STR. Best class still is Necros, with Weaken,Plague,Poison,Chill Touch. Must be close to -20 STR on the Christmas tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrozin Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's a selectable skill. Don't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It would be vastly improved if lotus scorge allowed poisoning of weapons for delivery since you lose auto throw as a delivery system (IIRC? ?) L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It would be vastly improved if lotus scorge allowed poisoning of weapons for delivery since you lose auto throw as a delivery system (IIRC? ?) L-A Yep, auto throw is only thieves or a different ninjitsu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 How about making it incurable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 How about making it incurable? :eek: L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I was thinking it's damage would be lowered a bit as a counterbalance... *shrugs* Was just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 The burst of an auto throw is still going to be superior. I can herb or otherwise heal to stay alive in the window of your poison working. If that auto throw would have been fatal, it is fatal. You don't get the option of reacting, you are dead. The damage is really pretty negligible as is in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Since many kinds of venom paralyze in real life, I think it would be something fitting and useful for lotus scourge ninja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Since many kinds of venom paralyze in real life' date=' I think it would be something fitting and useful for lotus scourge ninja.[/quote'] Sometimes you say things so wise I think you are buddah... a deadly, demon-eyed buddah. I am sure I didn't utilize Lotus Scourge to its best potential... but it seems VERY hard to make work compared to the other options for pretty minimal gain. It really goes against my "bets are even" poker way of viewing life. Making something both easier and better and something more difficult and worse makes no sense. If something has a higher skill cap, it should also have a higher potential in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 The burst of an auto throw is still going to be superior. I can herb or otherwise heal to stay alive in the window of your poison working. If that auto throw would have been fatal' date=' it is fatal. You don't get the option of reacting, you are dead. The damage is really pretty negligible as is in my opinion.[/quote'] If they herb it, why not just reapply with a throw? I know - theory-fighter is great, however if they are curing and you're nearby shouldn't the danger be: strangle;blind;gas;throw - and they are right back where they were without a herb for several hours. Provided you have enough HP to stay and do it. Before the ninja changes it was possible to strange;gas;blind;throw (murder);throw (flee) and give them a good and proper dose. When that tactic was made unavailable to the lotus scourge path it means you have to be in combat to get the applications which has weakened the skill. Perhaps some way to get throw a poison dart on an opponents fleeing that does no damage but will poison?? L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It isn't about the herb to remove it, it is about the herb being a possibility to get your HP back to a point where the poison won't kill you. If the auto throw would be fatal, it is fatal. There is no chance to mitigate it. If they herb your auto throw and live with however many hp, it is the same boat except all the damage you could potentially do has already happened. Mine might be completely gone and must go for a duration to even completely happen. Yours happens passively in addition to what you do. Mine might maybe potentially happen. I really don't think there is any logical way to claim the two are close to the same strength as they currently exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 What herbing are you talking about because a ranger/druid herb wont cure poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Herb, as a burst heal. We can discuss field dressing, curatives in the same manner. Since the poison takes time, you have a window to react to decreasing HP with a healing skill/spell/consumable which does not exist to an auto throw doing the EXACT same amount of damage as the total duration of the poison because it happens instantly. And unless affects have begun to drop mid tick now, my experience last night completely disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 What herbing are you talking about because a ranger/druid herb wont cure poison. My mistake. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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