BMG question. Can Haymaker dispel trough manalock?

[mya]

Can Haymaker dispel trough manalock?

Can a zerk dispel with a Haymaker a BMG who has manalock active?

Zerks always sucked up until now, so never pked on as BMG.

[f0xx]

Manalock is dispel protection. Not haymaker protection, so logic dictates that no, it does not protect against haymaker, nor it should. Other things might protect against it though, but I haven't played around enough BMG/zerks to speak for sure.

[KRins]

There are other methods to defend against a haymaker, manalock won't save you.

[Celerity]

There are other methods to defend against a haymaker' date=' manalock won't save you.[/quote']

Why be vague? No qclass stuff here.

[KRins]

Ok then. If you aren't facing a path of anger zerk, use a burnproof shield and watch them shatter their hand on it. If you are facing a path of anger zerk, high AC tends to cause them to miss with it a good bit. Also if you can prevent them from raging by keeping their health in a low place where they want that option to flee, haymaker is inherently less effective than a raged haymaker.

[f0xx]

Ok then. If you aren't facing a path of anger zerk' date=' use a burnproof shield and watch them shatter their hand on it.[/quote']

It seems that if you don't have the shield block skill you can't block haymakers anymore, and rightly so.

[The-Nameless]

Great change. Nothing frustrated me more than someone who could not block an attack from a 2 handed mace with a shield, but they can block a spur of the moment punch?

[KRins]

It seems that if you don't have the shield block skill you can't block haymakers anymore' date=' and rightly so.[/quote']

Didn't know that. Living and learning. My bad on the busted advice.

[f0xx]

Not yours at all... should have been mentioned in the changes log...

[Celerity]

And here I thought your advice would involve slow

[L-A]

It seems that if you don't have the shield block skill you can't block haymakers anymore' date=' and rightly so.[/quote']

Testify. Best post all week

L-A

[KRins]

And here I thought your advice would involve slow

I was more speaking from the berserker's side. Does slow ruin haymakers like it does charge, etc?

[Celerity]

No idea, but it could. Not that a bmg would really want to bother with slow in most situations anyways.

[Pali]

No idea' date=' but it could. Not that a bmg would really want to bother with slow in most situations anyways.[/quote']

I think it does... but I agree. It's terrible as an offensive spell in most cases - hard as hell to land and does nothing if saved against, 2 round casting lag, and it'll up their regen enough that the loss of melee power doesn't hurt too much. I could see it being useful against an already raged zerk depending on path, but otherwise...

[f0xx]

I love it when a BMG slows some of my melees

[KRins]

I guess I am wondering if it completely turns off haymaker. I seem to recall being slowed on a pally and it being like "No charge for you"

[L-A]

I was more speaking from the berserker's side. Does slow ruin haymakers like it does charge' date=' etc?[/quote']

IIRC slows stops berserkers being able to rage (like calm) - this indirectly affects haymaker. Between this and robbing them of attacks it really blunts a berserkers offense.

In my experience trying to fight a battlemage (as a berserker) while slowed was a futile affair. Without rage and down to possibly two attacks per round it's almost impossible to outdamage a battlemage. When slowed before I raged I would resort to dirt kick;flee;sleep every tick for the duration of the spell. The increased healing makes this easy and after three or four times of this battlemages get the message and stop it

L-A

[KRins]

IIRC slows stops berserkers being able to rage (like calm) - this indirectly affects haymaker. Between this and robbing them of attacks it really blunts a berserkers offense.

In my experience trying to fight a battlemage (as a berserker) while slowed was a futile affair. Without rage and down to possibly two attacks per round it's almost impossible to outdamage a battlemage. When slowed before I raged I would resort to dirt kick;flee;sleep every tick for the duration of the spell. The increased healing makes this easy and after three or four times of this battlemages get the message and stop it

L-A

Very interesting. I wasn't aware of slow stopping rage. Slow would actually be pretty damaging to the zerk's whole set essentially then. I could see the BMG having to alter tactics if he can't land meaningful damage against a regenerating, slowed zerker. It also makes for a potentially never ending stalemate which galls me personally, total affront to my brawl it out mentality.

[Celerity]

Like Pali said, two round lag, very hard to land, and not really all that conducive to getting the kill

[KRins]

Ok... a successful slow would hamper a zerker a good bit. It would force him to adopt more passive strategies since he wouldn't have the passive bonuses rage grants to essentially every skill a berserker utilizes. It might not help the BMG kill the zerker, but it would really make it difficult for the zerker to kill the BMG as well.

[Pali]

It's too unreliable to try to use it in a situation where you're already losing pretty badly. If it had a 1-round casting lag, an attempt or two in the hope it'll lower your enemy's damage output and make them use moves faster might make sense, but not with 2.