egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Global impact? edit: Please realize any of my comments below will just be counter-arguments to whatever you say for discussion purposes and may or may not reflect my actual views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Capitalism has a reason to raise gas prices. Other than that, nothing changes. North Korea pretends it has a giant penis and the rest of the world screams in outrage that it is tiny. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 The problem with collectively screaming that it is tiny is when they actually prove it is bigger than you say. Then you're forced to shrink it just to save face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Not the first missile launch by North Korea. Pretty small news regardless. Good for them.. No sociopolitical changes will occur because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demiterracotta Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 They do this once in awhile to make sure the world doesn't forget they exist it seems. No other real reason for it. Sometimes I think North Korea is like a celebrity, if they aren't in the news they aren't happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 They've never launched long-range munitions before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Protest all you want. There is nothing to discuss. Nothing will come of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 No ones protesting anything, relax your holy heiney. Just saying nothing will come out of it is wrong. There will be discussions, talks, etc. No one is expecting WW3 because of it or anything, but it will not go ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 D.C. will document and acknowledge it. Surveillance will continue as it has and we'll continue to watch them. Should things progress in a manner Uncle Sam deems unfit, my boys will go in and make it how Unc likes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 No ones protesting anything' date=' relax your holy heiney. Just saying nothing will come out of it is wrong. There will be discussions, talks, etc. No one is expecting WW3 because of it or anything, but it will not go ignored.[/quote'] The problem is it will not go ignored. If it were ignored, cross speculation on the stock market wouldn't drive up our already over-taxed gas prices. Also, less name calling would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Kinda liked Holy Heiney... " His Holy Heiney, Reverend Valek.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 No one called you any names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 So North Korea launched long range missile.... at whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 It flew over Japan and possibly the Phillipines. It was not targetted at anyone, it was a test fire that was against the wishes of several nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Ah so they are just flexing muscles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 They are increasingly building muscle while being told/warned to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 So is the US... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 They are increasingly building muscle while being told/warned to stop. I don't see how any country can tell another country to neglect its military... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 So is the US... If you call defense budget cuts and a reduction in nuclear stockpile "building muscle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Yes, the US spending 40% of the total global military spending and 7x China can be considered "building muscle". And yes.. "defense" spending increased last year to this year. The US has a terrible definition of 'cut'. The word should mean to lower spending, but in the US, it means "to lessen the increase". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Sounds like a fine definition to me. If I cut off 4 inches of your hair, you have a lowered amount of hair. After 2003 our spending definitely shot up, with good reason. It has tapered off a bit after 2010-2011 when we were at our highest levels. We are now just a bit higher (10-15% I think) than where we were in the late 80s early 90s. If you look at a graph with date x spending you can see that our spending goes up during times of conflict and then goes down. Cuban missile crisis it goes up, then it goes down, 9/11 it goes up and stays up thru afghan/iraq, and is now starting to go back down, not as consistently as it did after desert storm/shield, but overall for the past couple years it is on a down-swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Sounds like a fine definition to me. If I cut off 4 inches of your hair' date=' you have a lowered amount of hair.[/quote'] :confused: If you give $1bil a year and increase that amount by $100mln every year, but next year you decide to increase the amount by $50mln instead of $100mln, it's a cut in the increase, not a real cut, since you are still giving more than you gave last year, so the example you gave actually supports what Cel said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-red- Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 About North Korea... The country consistently fires off rockets in the general direction of people, but never at them. They've been doing this for years upon years, including nuclear tests since 2006. They've been sanctioned, threatened with further restrictions, and a slew of other strong-arming since 1950, which the country has ignored and continues to ignore to this day. In fact, the US contradicts itself here by sending aid to North Korea. So on the one hand we waggle our fingers and call them naughty - then hand them treats; not to mention most of North Korea's troubles are through sanctions pushed forward by the US which we subsequently undermine through billions in aid - no doubt in theory to create dependance on us, but in reality pushing them closer to their other allies. The reason this behavior continues with little more than a few harsh words is due to China's close relationship with North Korea. The result of Cold War era foreign policy, the united states attempted to eradicate communism through the practice of encircling which they took from the USSR - that is, by installing friendly, democratic countries practically on top of communist nations to give them pressure and act launching points in the event of conflict. If you look at Asia today, specifically around China, you find; Russia (federation, essentially a democracy until recently), Japan (parliamentary government/ constitutional monarchy, close relationship to US), Nepal (federal democratic republic), India (federal republic), Bhutan (constitutional monarchy), Phillippines (republic, essentially a US naval base), Indonesia (republic), Mongolia (parliamentary government), South Korea (republic)... Even it's philosophically in-tune neighbors like Vietnam and Laos are pissed because China's been trying to strong-arm it's neighbors for months - including claiming rights to lands almost directly next to the Philippine coast. So China protects North Korea to stop U.S. policies of encirclement and - this is just speculation - allows them to go ape**** because you don't wanna get close to a psycho with his hand on a big red 'nuke-em-all' button. So doing anything to North Korea would be slapping around China by proxy, which would be a very bad choice for the U.S. since China owns so much U.S. debt. China, likewise, can't do anything about the U.S. and other nation's sanctions because if they're forced to come through with their threats (China's famous for blustering and acting indignant) it'll hurt them as much as it hurts the U.S., if not cause the world economy to tumble headlong in to another recession. For this reason, China also quietly keeps a lid on North Korea, because they know if Kim Jeong-Un goes ahead with his crazy world domination plot, the world will have no other option then to come crashing down, China would have to defend it's neighbor for the reasons above, and we'd all be royally screwed. So in short, this is par for the course, and nothing's going to happen, despite their 'new' technology, which is still ages behind many other nation's capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Great response -red- enjoyed reading that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 :confused: If you give $1bil a year and increase that amount by $100mln every year, but next year you decide to increase the amount by $50mln instead of $100mln, it's a cut in the increase, not a real cut, since you are still giving more than you gave last year, so the example you gave actually supports what Cel said. The example I gave does not support her statement. The example you gave did. I purposefully used an example of the word "cut" out of context as it pertains to her point to elicit a response from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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