crackwilly21 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Can anyone give me any advice on monks? The essay covers some of the basics, but I am still having a hard time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 What exactly are you having issues with - eq (encumberance), fighting certain types of classes? L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Well focus on hitroll over damroll. I would say 50 hitroll is good. Master everything, specially anatomies. Vs Giants/Ogres (or battlemages) use L2 bolt. Vs all others have L3 bolt and bolt them. It's guaranteed long lag for them. If its a mage, airtrash and check if it landed. If did spam trip. If it's a meele and try a disarm while they are lagged. Dirt bolt disarm is a ok combo. But it can miss. Dragon is good vs Giants. Dragon disarms cursed weapons. If the weapon is not no-drop it will fall to ground. This is where dirt or lag comes in. Tigers kicks are good vs rangers/thieves/ninjas/bards. Twin tiger claw is rumored to break protective shield. Crane is good vs invokers. Budah is cool vs shamans and giants communers. From what I have suffered, bolt+airtrash+trip works very well many times. Dragon dirt+disarm is ok vs meeles. Watch out for people with maces and Axes + shield. Also, always log your PK's and check them to see what went wrong or right. You can also post your PK logs so that we can all give advices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackwilly21 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 What exactly are you having issues with - eq (encumberance), fighting certain types of classes? L-A I just cant seem to get an edge in any pk I've gotten involved in. Warriors seem to be giving me grief too, especially with axes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackwilly21 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I was in dragon, chii level 1, no sanc because he wasn't using it. You yell 'Help! BLM is trying to cut me apart!' BLM's critical strike misses you. BLM is in excellent condition. MONK: [===|===|===|===][98] <???/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><300CP><14676 gold>7:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. You dodge BLM's attack. You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath maims you! You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath devastates you! BLM parries your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM is in excellent condition. MONK: [===|===|===|==-][91] <???/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><300CP><14676 gold>7:00(D) di BLM is blinded by the dirt in his eyes! Your kicked dirt scratches BLM. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|===|==-][91] <???/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><300CP><14676 gold>7:00(D) BLM's magic DISMEMBERS you! BLM's magic MUTILATES you! You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath MUTILATES you! BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM parries your attack. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|===|=--][77] <???/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><300CP><14676 gold>7:00(D) BLM's thrust LACERATES you! BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|===|---][72] <???/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><300CP><14676 gold>7:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. You dodge BLM's attack. Your jab mauls BLM. Your back fist decimates BLM! BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|===|---][72] <???/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><300CP><14676 gold>7:00(D) disarm BLM rubs the dirt out of his eyes. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|===|---][73] <???/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) You disarm BLM! BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|===|---][73] <711/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM draws his weapons. BLM wields a battlemaster's blade and holds it low. BLM wields a spider blade in his off-hand. BLM's slash MUTILATES you! BLM's slash MUTILATES you! You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. BLM dual parries your attack. BLM parries your attack. BLM parries your attack. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|==-|---][64] <629/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) di BLM has fled! BLM walks north. Someone leaves the room. <629/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) n BLM walks in. <629/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) di BLM BLM sheathes his weapons. <629/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) But you aren't in combat! <629/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM yells 'Help! MONK kicked dirt into my eyes!' BLM is blinded by the dirt in his eyes! Your kicked dirt scratches BLM. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|==-|---][64] <629/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM's magic LACERATES you! You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. BLM's magic misses you. You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath wounds you. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM parries your attack. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|=--|---][57] <560/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM trips you and you go down! BLM's trip grazes you. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|=--|---][57] <553/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM's magic DISMEMBERS you! You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. BLM's magic maims you! BLM parries your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|---|---][46] <454/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) disarm You fail to disarm BLM. You dodge BLM's attack. You dodge BLM's attack. You dodge BLM's attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM weaves out of your attack. Your knee thrust devastates BLM! BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|---|---][46] <454/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM trips you and you go down! BLM's trip grazes you. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|===|---|---][46] <447/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. You dodge BLM's attack. You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath LACERATES you! You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath mauls you. BLM parries your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. You have gained knowledge about demihuman! BLM parries your attack. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|==-|---|---][39] <382/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. You dodge BLM's attack. You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath mauls you. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM parries your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|==-|---|---][37] <360/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) disarm You fail to disarm BLM's weapon from his powerfull grasp. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|==-|---|---][37] <360/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM trips you and you go down! BLM's trip scratches you. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|==-|---|---][36] <358/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) BLM's magic DISMEMBERS you! You dodge BLM's attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM parries your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|=--|---|---][30] <299/???hp><463/673mp><580/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>8:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. You dodge BLM's attack. BLM's magic LACERATES you! You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath mauls you. You sure are BLEEDING! BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM rubs the dirt out of his eyes. BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|---|---|---][25] <243/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) disarm You disarm BLM! BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|---|---|---][25] <243/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) BLM trips you and you go down! BLM draws his weapons. BLM wields a battlemaster's blade and holds it low. BLM wields a spider blade in his off-hand. BLM's trip grazes you. You sure are BLEEDING! BLM has a few scratches. MONK: [===|---|---|---][24] <236/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) BLM's slash DISMEMBERS you! You sure are BLEEDING! BLM's slash LACERATES you! You sure are BLEEDING! BLM's slash MUTILATES you! You sure are BLEEDING! Your elbow slash maims BLM! Your elbow slash LACERATES BLM! BLM parries your attack. Your palm strike LACERATES BLM! BLM has some small wounds and bruises. MONK: [==-|---|---|---][10] <97/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. You dodge BLM's attack. BLM parries your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. Your knee thrust mauls BLM. Your tiger claw LACERATES BLM! BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [==-|---|---|---][10] <97/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) disarm BLM has fled! BLM walks east. Someone leaves the room. <97/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) healing whe You aren't fighting anyone. <97/???hp><463/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) A warm feeling floods your body and you feel much better. <437/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) BLM walks in. <437/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) wher You yell 'Help! BLM is trying to cut me apart!' BLM's critical strike misses you. BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|===|---|---][45] <437/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. BLM's magic LACERATES you! You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. BLM parries your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|==-|---|---][40] <393/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) di You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. You dodge BLM's attack. You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. BLM parries your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|==-|---|---][40] <393/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. You dodge BLM's attack. BLM's magic LACERATES you! You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath devastates you! BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM parries your attack. BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|=--|---|---][32] <318/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) BLM wounds your chest. BLM's critical strike DISMEMBERS you! BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|=--|---|---][26] <258/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) [WARMASTER] controlled. Players near you: BLM Forest Ruins MONK Forest Ruins You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. BLM's magic LACERATES you! You sure are BLEEDING! You dodge BLM's attack. You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath LACERATES you! You sure are BLEEDING! BLM parries your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|---|---|---][17] <168/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) [WARMASTER] controlled. Players near you: BLM Forest Ruins MONK Forest Ruins BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|---|---|---][17] <168/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) BLM is blinded by the dirt in his eyes! Your kicked dirt scratches BLM. BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [===|---|---|---][17] <168/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. You parry BLM's attack with your first hand. You dodge BLM's attack. You can feel a wicked barbed pike dig into your body. BLM's wrath LACERATES you! You sure are BLEEDING! BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM blocks your attack with his weapon. BLM weaves out of your attack. BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [==-|---|---|---][12] <125/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) disarm BLM wounds your chest. BLM's critical strike *** DEMOLISHES *** you! You sure are BLEEDING! BLM has quite a few wounds. MONK: [=--|---|---|---][1] <14/???hp><413/673mp><588/588mv><301CP><14676 gold>9:00(D) You dodge BLM's attack. BLM's magic LACERATES you! You have been mortally wounded!! A challenge has ended. You have lost the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Blademasters also almost always punch monks in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forsaken Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'm sure you know your obvious big mistake is fighting in dragon while not flying. Dragon enlarges which makes tripping bad for you. Level one chii bolt is no good. Go for level two or level 3 if you are fighting a magic resist race. Also I didn't notice you ever use it. Go for a dirt, then try a bolt. THEN disarm while they are lagged. Releasing chii bolt lags you one round, and a level two or higher should lag them for at least two giving you a free round. Man you got hit like a pinata. Did you master your weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forsaken Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Also, if you are having to burn healing and they are only at quite a few wounds, I'd consider running away and prepping again. Wait until things line up for you well with chakara's (sp) hitting and disarms not failing. No reason to stay in a fight you are losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackwilly21 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I did not master my weapons. I suppose that could help, but I don't know that its going to provide enough of an edge in combat. I guess I really just don't understand how this class works or something, I've faught a few more times since this post and still just got my *** handed to me. Faught another BLM and hit them 3 times in about 12-15 rounds of combat. I understand BLM is a tough fight for a monk anyway, but seriously? 3 hits in 12-15 rounds? I'm calling bunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hey Zoichan, you see this? Call it a bunk already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 A lot of the reasons I died to zoichan where tied 100% to qrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 From what I've seen and experienced, monks grow exponentially with hitroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 A lot of the reasons I died to zoichan where tied 100% to qrace It's obvious that the player behind Zoichan is good. Couple that with a Qrace and you got a scary combo. I am sure you would have died equally much if he was't undead too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 ...really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Nope. EVERY death I took to Zoichan (2) was a result of one specific perk of his race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Don't bother trying to explain it. f0xx is lightyears beyond our PK skill/knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Nope. EVERY death I took to Zoichan (2) was a result of one specific perk of his race. Sure, if that makes you feel better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Nameless Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Since Zoichan is not known, I doubt he will speak up, but I assure you I died twice to Zoichan, both times I was unable to get away because of a skill he has. I was able to get away many times, but the two times he did get me, was the result of his qrace status. Nothing to do with any monk skill lol Not to say Zoichan is not a good char, great character, scary to fight, and well played. I just don't think I would have died as often if he could not do that certain thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Back on topic - getting more hitroll will assist you greatly (via eq, consumables etc). So will getting your h2h to the 120% maximum by tracking down the necessary item. From what little I know of monks - unless you're well eq'd vs melee classes move to horse stance to return their shots and stop them lagging you. You can't lag back, but you'll last longer and learn more. Kick can still hurt from here. Yes, dragon is great - but don't mistake this for easy. You will get hurt by melee's while in dragon so you have to get your skill timing down and hit roll up so you land. You're betting on damage in parts from disarm and hoping the phantom dragon will show up. You will lose in a stand and bang match to the death to a dual axe wielding warrior in dragon. I've beaten many monks just such a way. Monkey works well vs mages (basically hastes you) and you can abuse tiger by getting your hitroll up (again :-P) and tracking down as many +% tiger items as you can work out how to use. I'm almost certain this was how the monks not so long ago were hitting so many times with the twin claws. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted January 9, 2013 Implementor Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Skirting the line here fellas. My limited experience with monks, I'd agree with L-A. The amount he's landing hits and the damage he's doing, go defensive (horse, mantis). You can try crane as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tantangel Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 That depends on your race as well and whether you're good/evil aligned. Horse is a good option as has already been said if you're getting spanked, but believe it or not weapon mastery is a huge deal. It's a pain because you're only hitting once per round but I find it was easiest to master while fighting scarecrows and such until they hit about 75% and then move on to other things that don't hit very hard till it's mastered. Dragon is a good choice if you're trying to disarm a no disarm weapon, but ultimately if you're being pounded on it's probably best to focus on what you're wearing and other tactics that you're using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 With the introduction of second parry to offensive stances, I personally would never PK in defensive. If I'm getting beaten up like that it's A) Flee and try again when I have the upper hand Find better gear C) Try a different stance Monks should be thought of as THE MOST luck oriented class in the game. You can fight the same person 10 times and it might go differently each time. You are really waiting for the right things to line up. The chakera lag, the disarm working, the air thrash working. 2 out of 3 of those might fire off and cause the person to run, while if the 3rd had landed, it was an instant kill. 2 out of 3 is enough to get them on the run and you can still get the kill, but if only 1 of them went off, you might have to re-engage at another point. It's very different from a lot of other classes that are so static in a fight that getting your head wrapped around the way a monk functions can be difficult. Defensive to me is NOT a PKing empowerment, it's a survival empowerment. So unless you play with the tactics of a scared schoolgirl like f0xx, I think you should always PK in offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackwilly21 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 The thing about the "monk item" is I've tried about 20 times to get it and have gotten the "other thing" every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 gotta love RNG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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