Re-Noob Suggestions?

[L-A]

A gladiator will get you a distorted vision of PK. Part of PK is being prepared, and the cabals skills are a crutch, holding you down.

Taking this away from a newer PK'r makes it a LOT easier - which is good for a new player attempting to master their 'in PK' skills. Bang for buck timewise it is better as you don't spend half your life farming gold and consumables.

A stone giant is good for high str (hence high hit/dam) - but if you want another way an avian is a great choice due to auto-fly taking away the last 'needed' consumable in a PK. A little more reliant on eq - however, that is as simple as looking at you WM buddies and asking 'Where'd that come from? Can you take me?' then remembering the way. You can get a workable suit alone as a melee very easily - especially as a WM.

The risk free challenges are also another crutch, as you will not be exposed at all the dirty tricks the vets know.

Yes, in some ways. However, for a true beginner you need to get used to being in combat, knowing when to dirt, when to lag and so on. This provides that without a possible full loot scenario. I routinely use challenges to try weapon combinations and/or spells. It's a good place to work things out and learn quickly.

As long as you remember challenges mean nothing and real PK is different they don't stop you from learning some lessons quickly without losing your gear.

Nor can you be the initiator in PK, other than warmasters.

Says who? Someone else who doesn't like your RP? Too bad, so sad. I've routinely attack non-caballed and others as a WM. Live byyour version of honor and my Gladiator will live by theirs. If you want complete freedom simply do a evil avian. No neutral align to worry about. I would not recommend the fire giant or ogre due to vulns on your first character.

L-A

[the_nightmare]

I can think of two way, both of which worked very well to help me to learn to pk:

- go WM, challenge everyone. Fight, fight, fight. Ask for advise. Log fights, post them, asking for advise (either just Imm advise or for the pk forum for suggestions from everyone)

- If you know the basics already, go Syndicate. Go after EVERYONE who is bountied, no matter what. You will improve A LOT. You will also get some kills on people who really do not expect you to attack them

As to melee, rough, caster or communer, try them out. I've found that eventually almost every player finds the class they are most comfortable with. There are a very few players who are good with several classes, but that is rather an exception. Myself, I favor melees and roughs over casters and communers. For others, it is vice versa. It's a matter of playstyle and preferances.

Anume is the most accurate here.Child learns to swim when you throw it into the deep.I learned to PK by attacking everyone on sight, dying a lot but not giving up

[f0xx]

I learned to PK by attacking everyone on sight' date=' dying a lot but not giving up [/quote']

You are still learning

[the_nightmare]

Improving my friend, not learning.

[f0xx]

Improving my friend' date=' not learning.[/quote']

That depends on the point of view

[Pali]

The day you stop learning is the day you die - mentally, if not physically.

With that bit of wisdom, I declare your derail at an end.

[Liadon Xiloscient]

So... I should use an evil character and attack everything? I figured a neutral would be good to re-learn the controls, how to role-play here, so on and so forth. Though I may decide to flip **** on random people just because "chaotic neutral." it's justified because I'm crazy.

[the_nightmare]

If you actively PK as a neutral without good reason behind it, you will get muttered by the gods.

[Liadon Xiloscient]

It would be active against only the individuals my character didn't like. For example: undead, or anyone ridiculously religious. Goin' with a tree huggin sort for my first go ahead.

[Liadon Xiloscient]

Balance and neutrality are ere-thing mayne. Fo-rizzle dawg.

[Celerity]

Stay away from DKs--it is a class that punishes too heavily on death.

The align isn't such a big issue. To become better, you have to play and enjoy it, so the best choice is unsurpisingly: whatever sounds fun.

As for getting better, it depends on what your problem is. Looking at logs is fine, but doesn't help so much if you don't know what to look for. Much better to have OTHER people look at your logs-->post them.

A lot of this game is getting synergy with cabal abilities. A lot of it is not making too many enemies, or the wrong enemies..that is the death of even good PKers..thus the burn out of many players.

I don't believe you can be very good if you can only play a couple classes. You can be decent, but you'll hit a cap. So, as with everything else in life, use your wits and keep trying new stuff.

My first 50 was a fire giant warrior in a cabal similar to Tribunal (Justice). I chose it because nobody played fire giants, nobody played warriors, and nobody ever wanted to be in Justice. It will work out given enough effort, regardless of your starting skill. Even today.

[Pali]

My first 50 was a fire giant warrior in a cabal similar to Tribunal (Justice). I chose it because nobody played fire giants' date=' nobody played warriors, and nobody ever wanted to be in Justice. It will work out given enough effort, regardless of your starting skill. Even today.[/quote']

I remember using the other fire warrior justices you inspired as equipment depots for whenever my good ninja got looted.

Celerity is right, though - if you're going for a powerful combo, knowing cabal abilities and who to make enemies with is important. A bit of politics to make sure you've got people outside your cabal willing to help you re-equip after a death goes a very, very long way towards character longevity.

And, as she said, try various combos - at the worst your experience as a demon shaman will help teach you even more about how to annoy/kill a demon shaman when you're playing something else.

[Enethier]

Cleric is great to survive with, easy for learning the ropes as a c/c. Shaman is good for learning when to run away from fights, both as a c/c and as a melee/hybrid. I'd say that I never really learned PK until I stopped playing melees.

[Liadon Xiloscient]

Liadon is / was a Demon Shaman! I was rewarded that after my in-depth role-play. If she's still an active character on the server I'll get back on after I've gotten used to caster classes, and PKing a bit more. I feel what I've been given has been wasted on me, but if I learn to use her/it correctly I'm more than confident to say she'll put most to everyone down.

Ex-Healer of Compassion, now a demonized worshiper of Anume.

I think she's the sexiest bad-guy character I've ever owned in any sort of video game and it's hard for me to get into bad-guys let alone find a female one attractive.

I dunno... evil females always make me wanna say, "try hard..."

[jibber]

She was undead, not demon.

[Liadon Xiloscient]

Regardless, it was something I felt awesome for getting.

[Pali]

Rightfully so.