Implementor Volgathras Posted February 7, 2013 Implementor Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Twice now in as many days I've seen people using life support in game. You are not permitted to use this method at any time while in game, including training. Training times were even reduced significantly, so if you can't spend the thirty minutes it takes to train something up perhaps you should play when you can. To specify: Life-support is the act of automating your characters life so you don't need to be present for them to survive or act. This is mainly performed through creating scripts. It is not allowed. This is a general warning. If I see this again, it will result in punishment (at the very least a slay). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 How do you know that someone is on life support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Probably by snooping them and then sending an echo that they're thirsty when it's not a tick so that it tricks their life support system into drinking/eating when need be. When I'm training I usually stop paying attention to the screen in general and every so often switch back so I can eat/drink so I don't die to thirst/hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_nightmare Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 f0xx I told you not to cheat, look now you got yourself into trouble again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yeah, scripting is OK. You just can't script to feed yourself...that is all life support is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I ask because I've been told in straight text that life support is OK, as long as I can react in timely manner. Hence why I asked how does he know that he person is on Life support. He can know by two ways: 1) By sending a tell or summoning/attacking someone and waiting for them to react. 2) By watching the echo of the input commands. That one should not be allowed (to completely go away and rely on Life support), but if I have a book opened in one half of my monitor and FL in the other, I can react to EVERYTHING in less than a couple of second. I don't see what's wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted February 7, 2013 Author Implementor Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 If you're able to react quickly to something as it occurs, then that isn't an issue. The problem is leaving your character unattended, basically turning them in to an NPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Once again I turn to training being the most mundane, repetitive, boring, put your *** to sleep, portion of this game or any other current game. 30 min, maybe for dodge, parry. We have this training system in fl, it is so mindless people write scripts to do it. So we seek to punish those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Instead of complaining how about offer an idea? Like after you are level 50, you continue to gain "Levels" Each level you gain would give you "X" amount of training XP. You then take the XP to the Trainer and spend it on Skill/Spell Proficiencies. Going from say 75%->76% may only cost 10,000 XP but going from 99%->100% may cost you 200,000 XP. This would do two things. A: Make training more proactive. Make grouping @ 50 more of an option. Say that lvl 50 who always helps those level 45+ rank to 50. Now he has something to gain as well. Make group mobs in say Gear/Deso/Discord worth good XP so it will give groups an extra insensitive for going there. That bone dragon? Yeah that 5,000,000 XP Bone dragon... yeah lets go kill him! (Random numbers in this post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Instead of complaining how about offer an idea? Like after you are level 50, you continue to gain "Levels" Each level you gain would give you "X" amount of training XP. You then take the XP to the Trainer and spend it on Skill/Spell Proficiencies. Going from say 75%->76% may only cost 10,000 XP but going from 99%->100% may cost you 200,000 XP. This would do two things. A: Make training more proactive. Make grouping @ 50 more of an option. Say that lvl 50 who always helps those level 45+ rank to 50. Now he has something to gain as well. Make group mobs in say Gear/Deso/Discord worth good XP so it will give groups an extra insensitive for going there. That bone dragon? Yeah that 5,000,000 XP Bone dragon... yeah lets go kill him! (Random numbers in this post) Do a search on me before you say I have presented no ideas. I like what you suggest, it actually is more akin to modern linear game play than the current fl ranking and skill system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricsheep Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 It will never happen, but I've always appreciated the offline training of Eve Online and games like it. Over the characters life, you gain training points which you can allot as you see fit. You continue to gain them, whether online or offline. Perhaps how much is gained can be based off of stats, who knows. Seems a lot more fair, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 It will never happen' date=' but I've always appreciated the offline training of Eve Online and games like it. Over the characters life, you gain training points which you can allot as you see fit. You continue to gain them, whether online or offline. Perhaps how much is gained can be based off of stats, who knows. Seems a lot more fair, to me.[/quote'] I wouldn't see an offline system in FL. Mainly because FL focuses on people being online to interact. Though that brings me back around to my issue with the training system as is. Since it basically shuts down interactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 First off I did not say you NEVER present ideas. Secondly, If you have presented ideas on the issue then there is no need to make snide comments about it. It only invigorates others into doing the same thing which only provides pollution to our enviroment. It to be honest is not directed as much to you, you just happen to be there kind of situation. Alot of people seem to just make snide comments about the same things in ever post that might seem to talk about what they dont like. For that I am sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 First off I did not say you NEVER present ideas. Secondly, If you have presented ideas on the issue then there is no need to make snide comments about it. It only invigorates others into doing the same thing which only provides pollution to our enviroment. It to be honest is not directed as much to you, you just happen to be there kind of situation. Alot of people seem to just make snide comments about the same things in ever post that might seem to talk about what they dont like. For that I am sorry. The only snideness evident in my comment is what you put there yourself. There is no tone online, only your own feelings echoing back at you in the words of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 When I used to play I used scripts to train every single character. I was always nearby though watching a movie or something, the furthest I'd go away would be to the bathroom or for a smoke. I cant believe this is an issue these days... I'd assume the imms would have better stuff to do than bust scripting trainers... Got time to snoop, got time to RP has always been my motto. :-P Despite lower training times it is still boring as all hell and I dont recall there ever being any incentive to train with undivided attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 The only snideness evident in my comment is what you put there yourself. There is no tone online, only your own feelings echoing back at you in the words of others. Snide is not a tone. It is being derogatory or mocking in an indirect way Once again I turn to training being the most mundane, repetitive, boring, put your *** to sleep, portion of this game or any other current game. 30 min, maybe for dodge, parry. We have this training system in fl, it is so mindless people write scripts to do it. So we seek to punish those people. You can blame it on me "seeing things" or anyone else for that matter but Preception is Everything. EDIT: I am not saying that the training system in my oppinion isn;t flawed, but to make complaints without offering a fix to the situation is pointless and to be honest the opposite of being helpful. Even if you have made a comment on HOW to fix something, doesn't give you the right to restate how "piss poor" something is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Snide is not a tone. It is being derogatory or mocking in an indirect way You can blame it on me "seeing things" or anyone else for that matter but Preception is Everything. EDIT: I am not saying that the training system in my oppinion isn;t flawed, but to make complaints without offering a fix to the situation is pointless and to be honest the opposite of being helpful. Even if you have made a comment on HOW to fix something, doesn't give you the right to restate how "piss poor" something is. How is the comment you highlighted snide? I stated the truth, described what is occuring to emphasize my point. Yes, the training system is boring. Yes, people write scripts, this very announcment is evident of that. Yes, we seek to punish people who write scripts that allowmtotal automation. Yes, they write these scripts because training is boring. Evidenced by people's comments in this and many threads prior on the subject. Snide because I encapsulated all that in one sentence? I just believe that if your having to remind people, and reestablish the message that there are negative consequences for a behavior, that you should analyze the cause more deeply. Do not work on more effective consequences, focus instead on removing or changing the root cause of the negative behavior, aka, very boring mindless training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akoz Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 How is the comment you highlighted snide? I stated the truth, described what is occuring to emphasize my point. Yes, the training system is boring. Yes, people write scripts, this very announcment is evident of that. Yes, we seek to punish people who write scripts that allowmtotal automation. Yes, they write these scripts because training is boring. Evidenced by people's comments in this and many threads prior on the subject. Snide because I encapsulated all that in one sentence? I just believe that if your having to remind people, and reestablish the message that there are negative consequences for a behavior, that you should analyze the cause more deeply. Do not work on more effective consequences, focus instead on removing or changing the root cause of the negative behavior, aka, very boring mindless training. The way you stated it right there was WAY more appropriate. I dont want to get into it with you TBH, I think your one of the higher end users here on the forums and look up to alot fo what you say here. Once again let me state that I am sorry, you were not ment to be the target of that attack, you just happen to be standing there when I said something. It's been boiling in me for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Not sure if this might've been me or not. But I barely have time to play these days and have to usually log in at work. Its either that or don't play at all. I set triggers that repeat attacks however I don't set triggers for eating or drinking, my character would die unless I can return in time or they disappear into void first. I can at times respond to people when I'm around to see it. Other times I can't if I'm obviously working. This is why the last character I played could camo and rp'd an old grumpy man who didn't like interacting with people. i.e. Chay. Let me know if I'm in the wrong and I'll just have to figure something else out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I set triggers that repeat attacks however I don't set triggers for eating or drinking' date=' my character would die unless I can return in time or they disappear into void first.[/quote'] same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I'll continue to use scripts, including for eating and drinking. Volgathras is merely suggesting that you don't. Consider it a guideline more than a rule, even if he says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I would say make pracs go to 80% and use Awendris' suggestion of end game xp to spend on points that you use to continue building your character. could award skill points for pk's, but ALSO for dieing in them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_nightmare Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I cannot understand why this is not allowed, scripts that allow you to eat and drink? The training is soo boring and it is not a life-saving script, you can always get PK'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forsaken Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 To specify: Life-support is the act of automating your characters life so you don't need to be present for them to survive or act. This is mainly performed through creating scripts. It is not allowed. How is this Volg merely 'suggesting' that you don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Any of you guys having problems with reading or something? Noone is saying that you are not allowed to use scripts. What Volg is saying is that you are not allowed to log in, get your character to a training field and go AFK to make a sandwich. What Volg is saying is that you should always keep an eye on your FL window, even if you are doing something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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